And add to that the incentive of having a bonus, so there are members who have at least get it more than once and so they know what the supposedly campaign manager is looking and so they produces this long post that nobody reads because it's just that, they add more to look like they put a lot of thoughts on their reply hence, possible for a bonus.
This campaign has been running for many years and yet the CM don't know how to used the merit system, and to say that they don't trust the merit system, and this is the result, potential spammers go accepted in the campaign and incentivize.
Topic: Reee: Which campaign has the most spammers? - page 3. (Read 1017 times)
..... I believe if the CM adopts a weekly post quota of 20-30 posts, the post quality will be much better than it is now.
Perhaps, or you may just wind up with the same post quality just less of it.
Either way, I think at this point that it really comes down to the fact that for whatever reason instead of removing people that are spamming the CM just let's it go on.
Should be a rule of sorts, if more then X% of your posts are junk / spam you are removed.
And then you actually have to enforce it.
-Dave
Seems like people aren't misinterpreting anything but rather you are failing to apply the rules of your own campaign. I bet you I could find at least 5 active AI spammers within your campaign right now. Let's the start with the most obvious one, who had been criticized for his non-constructive shitposting for months:
borovichok
borovichok
I'm not sure how this AI detector works ( this tools can mislead) , but how did you evaluate my postings using common sense and the ones I responded to as being on topics and decide they were written by AI? If you pay attention to my posts, you will see that all of my responses are on topics. I don't just post; I make sure to quote, and all of my quotes are always on topics, which AI can't do.
Reporting some of my posts and getting them moderated ( is normal) does not mean you are right. I'll state it again: I've never used AI to post, and I have no idea how it works in the first place. It's foolish to subscribe to some AI bots to be posting on the forum. ( I can't)
Read my posts carefully and the ones I quoted. What kind of AI can do that ? I've been wrongly accused before but please don't use it against me. I've been able to increased my posts rating from the last incident.
Edit:
I'll post them here for everyone to see, and I'm curious how you convinced the moderators that these 100% human discussions were AI generated because some random sites said so.
These were healthy discussions and the mod had to throw them out like that ...... Shocked
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yjRiv.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yjtwH.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yjF4I.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yjzNg.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yjE2d.jpeg
It’s hard to open a topic and not see two or more Stake participants posting there. The conditions of the campaign is the reason why its participants are motivated to spam the forum. I doubt any of the campaign participants were posting this much before joining the campaign. Most of them make 80+ posts per week just to meet the maximum post quota and get paid more. I believe if the CM adopts a weekly post quota of 20-30 posts, the post quality will be much better than it is now.
A campaign that works according to the principles of "quantity instead of quality" and has been doing so for a very long time definitely shows that it does not matter what its participants write, but how many posts they make every week/month. I sincerely doubt that anyone from their team reads all those posts, much less checks them with AI detectors, because in that case they would have to reject at least 50% of the posts as uncountable, which means that the spammers would look for their business elsewhere.
However, I hope that the Stake team will listen to some of the advice and change some things in their campaign.
However, I hope that the Stake team will listen to some of the advice and change some things in their campaign.
Stake recently removed the Sr. Members from their campaign but they are still one of, if not the largest signature campaign. They have not taken any other significant measures to reduce the amount of spam. I checked some of the names I recognized from their campaign on Ninjastic and some of them have 75+ posts in a week. No coincidence these are all people who make redundant and low quality posts to inflate their count.
Their rating system is also entirely useless, as AI spammers like YuginKadoya were always near the highest rated week after week. Going back several months in their rating spreadsheet I see that jakelyson, who I am certain is another alt of YuginKadoya based on their writing style and behavioral patterns, was also enrolled in their campaign at the same time.
Their rating system is also entirely useless, as AI spammers like YuginKadoya were always near the highest rated week after week. Going back several months in their rating spreadsheet I see that jakelyson, who I am certain is another alt of YuginKadoya based on their writing style and behavioral patterns, was also enrolled in their campaign at the same time.
I agree here that Stake is by far the leading campaign when looking at spam production.
It is completely unclear why this is so because they currently have the largest weekly budget and everything could look completely different.
For me, the best thing is that the campaign is managed by a team of 6 people, which leaves only two possible conclusions. they deliberately allow this spamfest or they are incompetent to manage such a large campaign.
It is completely unclear why this is so because they currently have the largest weekly budget and everything could look completely different.
For me, the best thing is that the campaign is managed by a team of 6 people, which leaves only two possible conclusions. they deliberately allow this spamfest or they are incompetent to manage such a large campaign.
Get to know our Management team:
- Jesse: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is the responsible for messaging new approved members. He also check everyone posts to prevent issues with people who use to edit empty posts to abuse from the campaign (an issue we have faced 2x in the past). Working with me for like 4 years.
- Adrian: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for like 6 years.
- CapHook: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2021. He is also one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for over 2 years now. (he is also the one to handle things when I am not around)
- Tiiks: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world late in 2023. He is one more of the team to read & rate everyone posts. He also works in the payments sheet.
- Bere: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world in the end of 2022 (when she started to work with me). She is responsible for reading & rating every single post from the campaign members. She also works in the payments sheet as a final reviewer (to prevent mispayments).
- Me: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2014. I am the responsible for handling custom deals & sending the payments. Beside that I am the one to reply to all the questions & try to solve any issue our campaign members may have as long as these will not overpass the campaign rules.
- Jesse: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is the responsible for messaging new approved members. He also check everyone posts to prevent issues with people who use to edit empty posts to abuse from the campaign (an issue we have faced 2x in the past). Working with me for like 4 years.
- Adrian: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for like 6 years.
- CapHook: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2021. He is also one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for over 2 years now. (he is also the one to handle things when I am not around)
- Tiiks: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world late in 2023. He is one more of the team to read & rate everyone posts. He also works in the payments sheet.
- Bere: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world in the end of 2022 (when she started to work with me). She is responsible for reading & rating every single post from the campaign members. She also works in the payments sheet as a final reviewer (to prevent mispayments).
- Me: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2014. I am the responsible for handling custom deals & sending the payments. Beside that I am the one to reply to all the questions & try to solve any issue our campaign members may have as long as these will not overpass the campaign rules.
Need to ree this thread since it was locked and I still have questions for the Stake campaign manager. I voted for Stake in the original thread, BTW, because the sheer volume of shitposts generated by this campaign is insane.
Seems like people aren't misinterpreting anything but rather you are failing to apply the rules of your own campaign. I bet you I could find at least 5 active AI spammers within your campaign right now. Let's the start with the most obvious one, who had been criticized for his non-constructive shitposting for months:
borovichok
Recently I had 9 "AI spam" reports against him marked as "Good":
Although this one remains "unhandled", I suppose because it is half genuine and half AI (guess which half is which
):
It's absolutely a fair generalization given the exceptionally low standards you have for the quality of poster who may join your campaign.
As was already mentioned, this is a completely meaningless metric that is not valued by anyone on the forum other than your staff and participants.
My suggestions would be:
1. Cut the number of participants you have in half, retaining only the highest-merited users with non-purchased accounts.
2. Cut the total number of weekly posts paid per participant by 1/3. You can pay them more per post if you'd like since you are dismissing the worst posters.
This way, the chances of your campaign being named the spammiest will be reduced by half.
Well, now let me point some things that I see some people are misinterpreting in our campaign
- We do not incentive or support spam of any kind. Every post with less than 150 characters, with an interval of less than 5 minutes (between each post) or has no quality is not paid.
- AI usage is forbidden in our campaign (and I really wish all the campaign managers would do the same).
Seems like people aren't misinterpreting anything but rather you are failing to apply the rules of your own campaign. I bet you I could find at least 5 active AI spammers within your campaign right now. Let's the start with the most obvious one, who had been criticized for his non-constructive shitposting for months:
borovichok
Recently I had 9 "AI spam" reports against him marked as "Good":
Although this one remains "unhandled", I suppose because it is half genuine and half AI (guess which half is which
):I don’t see your action as a form of support. This is reckless gambling and as you know stake also promotes the slogan bet responsibly. Gambling doesn`t cross my mind when I receive payment because I know the efforts I put in to meet weekly tasks so throwing the payment away will cost me my mental health and so I have always tried to avoid it. When you lose your weekly payment to the casino, you are essentially losing a portion of your income that could have been used for essential expenses such as bills, groceries, rent, or savings. This loss can lead to mental disturbance. It is essential to prioritize your financial well-being and avoid gambling with money that you cannot afford to lose.
Losing your weekly payment to the casino can also have profound emotional effects. The stress and shame associated with losing money through gambling can take a toll on your overall well-being. If you find yourself consistently losing your weekly payment to the casino and struggling to control this behaviour, it may be necessary to seek help from support groups, counselling services, or helplines dedicated to assisting individuals with gambling addiction. Recognizing the problem early and taking proactive steps towards recovery is key to regaining control over your finances and well-being.
Losing your weekly payment to the casino can also have profound emotional effects. The stress and shame associated with losing money through gambling can take a toll on your overall well-being. If you find yourself consistently losing your weekly payment to the casino and struggling to control this behaviour, it may be necessary to seek help from support groups, counselling services, or helplines dedicated to assisting individuals with gambling addiction. Recognizing the problem early and taking proactive steps towards recovery is key to regaining control over your finances and well-being.
When you are talking about a brand that runs 2 campaigns, with a total of 124 members, referring to its members, in general, as spammer is just stupid.
It's absolutely a fair generalization given the exceptionally low standards you have for the quality of poster who may join your campaign.
I also know many of our members are on top 50 in quantity of posts but a lot of them have a rating of 7.5+ for their quality so definitely not what I would simply call "spam".. but I also have to agree that, going further, some of the top 100 are under that rating so we will be working on it by the next week.
As was already mentioned, this is a completely meaningless metric that is not valued by anyone on the forum other than your staff and participants.
Last but not least, I am always open to read your suggestions. This is the first time I am running a campaign (and I like to believe the I am doing well, otherwise the campaign would not be on for so many years) & we always have something to learn.
My suggestions would be:
1. Cut the number of participants you have in half, retaining only the highest-merited users with non-purchased accounts.
2. Cut the total number of weekly posts paid per participant by 1/3. You can pay them more per post if you'd like since you are dismissing the worst posters.
This way, the chances of your campaign being named the spammiest will be reduced by half.
Jump to: