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Topic: Rejoice! Actmyname is soon to be demoted - page 5. (Read 2908 times)

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February 06, 2018, 07:05:24 AM
#35
Here comes the sadist Butthurt troll!
But actmyname most likely won't leave Bitcointalk just because of the fact that he may be removed from DT.  He'll still continue to do what he used to do before he was a DT member. Just go away.
Yes, removing from DT1 will not mean a thing to actmyname and he will continue his way. You and other people who complain on this person just have no power to remove him from the forum. To be removed he should break forum's rules and become banned by theymos, but while he is just commenting he will stau\y here as long as he wishs.
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February 05, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
#34
Just as an update, I'm investigating the accounts now to double check for possible other alts and connectivity.

So far I've cemented the linkage of two users and removed two negatives.
That is, IvanBerkut and ZenFR are now no longer tagged.
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February 05, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
#33
What to rejoice? Actmyname is doing his best to lessen the toxics here in our community, I really think that he is commendable because he used his precious time to track down shitposters and account farmers that doesn't contribute anything here in the forum they only care about being paid at the bounty even though they are not deserving pfffft.
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February 05, 2018, 12:57:02 PM
#32
On peut faire des erreurs. Removed now.

I gave you a merit for correcting an admitted error.

I guess this will be construed as another unpopular merit award by that loose canon Jet Cash. Smiley
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February 05, 2018, 12:37:19 PM
#31
I have only one thing against Actmyname. It's the fact that he did give a negative trust to one member of the french community for selling merit (which is not the case) while not understanding the language or the discussion that was happening for that member to send the merit.

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police. So don't destroy accounts reputation for things you don't even understand.
Okay. I looked at the posts again. For someone that is using merit for the first time, it may be possible that ZenFR wanted to stress the importance of the bad deal.
Only the second one is a little bit unsound but it's understandable why the user would send the same amount to a post of agreement.

Instead of retaliatory feedback and trust exclusions, the situation could have been explained rather than supporting members stating, "you don't know the reason for the merit". Doesn't really help. Especially since ZenFR never reached out to me themselves (rather, it was another user that decided to PM me about it and then never followed up), I just treated it like another case of a raging red-trusted user. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On peut faire des erreurs. Removed now.
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February 05, 2018, 09:22:24 AM
#30
I have only one thing against Actmyname. It's the fact that he did give a negative trust to one member of the french community for selling merit (which is not the case) while not understanding the language or the discussion that was happening for that member to send the merit.

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police. So don't destroy accounts reputation for things you don't even understand.
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February 05, 2018, 05:44:18 AM
#29
Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.
So in this case, should we only tag users that we are strictly sure are abusing the merit system?

i.e. not through circumstantial merit exchanges of large amounts but rather threads or other media that voice merit trading/selling?
Seems like it'll let alt rings get away scot-free and will also let people who do off-site trading boost their merit.
Well, defining what *definite abuse* of the merit system (without a direct alt account connection) is somewhat hard. IMO, in cases where there is no clear alt connection you should watch for more signs of abuse (not just points sent once or twice between a few people).

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.
Indeed.

As food for thought, and not to suggest any sort of legal proceeding or legal implications, here is an intentionally cute layout of a spectrum of standards of proof; treat this as if I made it all up on the spot:

  • Reasonable (articulable) suspicion:  You have a suspicion which can be clearly explained in reasonable terms.  More than a mere hunch; much more than a guess.  But still no more than a suspicion.
  • Probable cause:  On the face of things (at first sight, “prima facie”), the accused probably did it.
  • Preponderance of the evidence:  Evidence of guilt outweighs evidence of innocence.  Implemented via those balance scales you see carved into statues of blindfolded ladies.  Note:  This requires reasonable thoroughness in loading both sides of the scale, not just stuffing one side and jumping to a conclusion.
  • Clear and convincing evidence:  Evidence of guilt is strong.  Evidence of innocence is weak or nonexistent.
  • Moral certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt:  The only way he didn’t do it is if space aliens[1] did it instead.
The 4th case is the simplest, and I think that was what theymos was aiming at with his statement of clear abuse. However, as per your post as well, I believe this to be short-sighted. It's very easy for people to abuse the merit system, people which are not alts of each other, via outside communication channels. If we were to completely skip the first three standards, then we would probably miss the majority of abusers.

Based on the timing, I have a reasonable suspicion that the DDoS attack expressed displeasure over the merit system.  Thank you for your efforts to protect it, actmyname.
I haven't though about that. If it were the case, then the account farming business is even heavier than I expected. Undecided

Forum needs a strong BLOCK button. I think it will make people a bit more careful with silly utterances.
Go away deep onion shill.

[1] Replace space aliens with space cats. Thanks. Tongue
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February 05, 2018, 04:45:26 AM
#28
There seems to be too much political in fighting here. Am I the only one who uses the ignore button. Smiley

Forum needs a strong BLOCK button. I think it will make people a bit more careful with silly utterances.
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February 05, 2018, 12:54:42 AM
#27
I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.

There is a commonplace misconception that “circumstantial evidence” means weak evidence.  Even in a criminal court which requires the standard of proof “beyond a reasonable doubt” (also known as “moral certainty”), it is indeed possible to obtain a conviction based exclusively on circumstantial evidence.  As a practical matter, this is very difficult, and should rarely happen.  But it does happen; and there’s nothing wrong with that in principle.

Of course, this is neither a law court nor a criminal proceeding.  I am only pointing out that “circumstantial evidence” can meet even the most demanding standards.  The question is not whether the evidence be “circumstantial”, but rather, whether it be strong enough to meet whatever standard you are applying.

(Also n.b. that even the most demanding standards do not demand absolute certainty—only “moral certainty”.  If the only possible way the accused didn’t do it is that space aliens did it instead, then you can’t be absolutely certain of his guilt.  You can’t be absolutely certain that space aliens didn’t do it!  You can’t even prove that aliens don’t exist!  But you can be “morally certain”, beyond any reasonable doubt.  Reasonable people understand that.  Absolute certainty does not exist in this world.)

If I were in your position, I would aim somewhere between the standard of “clear and convincing evidence“, and that of “the preponderance of the evidence”.  The latter seems relatively weak to me; but it’s good enough for winning a big-money lawsuit most places in the Anglo/American influenced parts of the world.  That seems it ought suffice for distrust-tagging people accused of abuse on an Internet forum.  I’d want to aim a bit higher, because I would also desire to be highly careful about not stomping on innocent users.  I don’t like hurting innocent people.  I would also have a zero-tolerance policy for anybody who was even a little bit guilty.  This forum now has a great opportunity to recover from having been buried in garbage.  It is not enhanced by the presence of people who believe in being halfway honest, and just try to cheat the new system a little bit—the same way they just cheated a little bit on school tests, when they wished to merit a passing grade.

As food for thought, and not to suggest any sort of legal proceeding or legal implications, here is an intentionally cute layout of a spectrum of standards of proof; treat this as if I made it all up on the spot:

  • Reasonable (articulable) suspicion:  You have a suspicion which can be clearly explained in reasonable terms.  More than a mere hunch; much more than a guess.  But still no more than a suspicion.
  • Probable cause:  On the face of things (at first sight, “prima facie”), the accused probably did it.
  • Preponderance of the evidence:  Evidence of guilt outweighs evidence of innocence.  Implemented via those balance scales you see carved into statues of blindfolded ladies.  Note:  This requires reasonable thoroughness in loading both sides of the scale, not just stuffing one side and jumping to a conclusion.
  • Clear and convincing evidence:  Evidence of guilt is strong.  Evidence of innocence is weak or nonexistent.
  • Moral certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt:  The only way he didn’t do it is if space aliens did it instead.

I hope that helps provide materials for a mental framework to support tagging decisions (past or future) which will gain not only your own confidence, but also theymos’.  For your work has been important for the forum’s well-being as a community at a critical moment.  Based on the timing, I have a reasonable suspicion that the DDoS attack expressed displeasure over the merit system.  Thank you for your efforts to protect it, actmyname.


He pwned you there, revealing THE TRUTH that you are not theymos.
Sorry, the truth can be painful sometimes. Embarrassed

I’m sorry I hurt your feelings, Lauda.  My heart bleeds negative-trust red.
Vod
legendary
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February 04, 2018, 09:46:16 PM
#26
Though tagging won't be necessary as theymos did mention that their merits would soon be decayed.

This is how rumors start.  :/
legendary
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February 04, 2018, 09:39:50 PM
#25
Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.
So in this case, should we only tag users that we are strictly sure are abusing the merit system?

i.e. not through circumstantial merit exchanges of large amounts but rather threads or other media that voice merit trading/selling?
Seems like it'll let alt rings get away scot-free and will also let people who do off-site trading boost their merit.

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.
If I may, the reason why theymos doesn't like the idea of tagging people who are sending and receiving merits who *may be* alt accounts of others, and the merit system being newfangled, its only right for him to feel it is indispensable for him to avoid such behavior by the DT members, rather wait for some more time and then with more proof people can be tagged.
This is how rumors start.  :/
OH crap! My bad, didn't think of that.
edited..
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February 04, 2018, 09:33:11 PM
#24
Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.
So in this case, should we only tag users that we are strictly sure are abusing the merit system?

i.e. not through circumstantial merit exchanges of large amounts but rather threads or other media that voice merit trading/selling?
Seems like it'll let alt rings get away scot-free and will also let people who do off-site trading boost their merit.

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.
legendary
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February 04, 2018, 09:16:14 PM
#23
So what's currently the status of this?  Is actmyname on DT or not?  Am I still in DT? 
Yes. It requires 2 exclusions to nullify an inclusion.

I don't think the issue here is actmyname leaving negs for shitposters.  I think it was for him negging the merit system abusers, correct?  I think we've both agreed to remove feedback we left for the spammers, but it would seem that it'd be an easy enough task for him to remove the latter feedbacks in order to preserve his DT status.  I definitely think actmyname should be in DT.  He's doing a great job tagging idiots and obviously cares about the forum.
Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.
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February 04, 2018, 08:46:24 PM
#22
So what's currently the status of this?  Is actmyname on DT or not?  Am I still in DT?  I don't know how to check without modifying my trust list, and it's incredibly difficult to do that on my phone, which is ancient.  You can call me a retard and I won't argue with you.  The flu has kicked my ass for the past 11 days and I am still a bit scrambled.

I don't think the issue here is actmyname leaving negs for shitposters.  I think it was for him negging the merit system abusers, correct?  I think we've both agreed to remove feedback we left for the spammers, but it would seem that it'd be an easy enough task for him to remove the latter feedbacks in order to preserve his DT status.  I definitely think actmyname should be in DT.  He's doing a great job tagging idiots and obviously cares about the forum.
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February 04, 2018, 04:22:26 AM
#21
Lauda, take a chill pill.  You’re only sore at Quickseller because he was brave enough to dare deny that you are theymos (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18974863).  Hurt your ego, did it?  Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day—and even a Quickseller must be honest at least once in a lifetime.  He pwned you there, revealing THE TRUTH that you are not theymos.
Sorry, the truth can be painful sometimes. Embarrassed
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February 04, 2018, 04:13:55 AM
#20
Stop harassing others, you basement dwelling pest. Oh right, now I see why: -1010: -10 / +14.

Lauda, take a chill pill.  You’re only sore at Quickseller because he was brave enough to dare deny that you are theymos.  Hurt your ego, did it?  Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day—and even a Quickseller must be honest at least once in a lifetime.  He pwned you there, revealing THE TRUTH that you are not theymos.


Other than the escrow scammer/account farmer, and OP, everyone is in support of actmyname in this thread.
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February 04, 2018, 02:41:03 AM
#19
Sorry to rain on your parade, but unless another member of DT-1 excludes him as well, he will still be in DT-2.
theymos excluding his is a pretty strong message.
No.

From a technical standpoint, either Blazed needs to remove actmyname from his trust list, or someone else trusted by DefaultTrust needs to exclude him, however Blazed may very well be at risk of being removed from being trusted by DefaultTrust if he does not remove actmyname.
Wrong; there is no risk for Blazed whatsoever. Stop harassing others, you basement dwelling pest. Oh right, now I see why: -1010: -10 / +14.

Now, I'm not 100% sure that actmyname's ratings are outside of what I would consider appropriate, which is why I didn't take action to immediately remove him. But from what I've seen, it does seem likely that he is too trigger-happy.
This is easily corrected between the two users.

Other than the escrow scammer/account farmer, and OP, everyone is in support of actmyname in this thread.
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February 04, 2018, 02:31:16 AM
#18
@theymos: This is usually a sign that you should discuss the ratings with Actmyname and revoke the exclusion.



ref: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poor-translationautomated-translation-portuguese-iv-2853057


Hey Lauda, You will also be a legendary in here above but into the life as person you are shit because you abuse of the your position in the forum to de-qualify the trust of a person honest.
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February 04, 2018, 02:04:01 AM
#17
It is said that your happiness depends on the demotion of other members here on the forum. Get a life.
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February 04, 2018, 02:01:55 AM
#16
Well, I think that ActMyName did what he think is right. Painting red trust to those people who post shits is a good way to punish those milkers from bounty who has zero contribute to the forum. Anyway since theymos once stated that red trust is not supposed to be use for spam, actmyname and others comply with it. So to the OP chill bro, dont be butt here and just appreciate the DT who wants a better forum for its members.
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