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Quote from: Lauda on April 29, 2014, 11:45:22 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 10:16:54 PM

still shocking that 46% of the people here have a religion.. and fyi, buddhism is not a religion.. since there is no god. i don't consider myself a buddhist, but more like a student of buddhist philosophy. a lot of their beliefs complement physics and the known world too.

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:14:27 PM

OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

The thing is, religious people are always pushed to recruit others... they will make up fake accounts just to show they are winning.

Non-religious people, meh, we don't care - we know the truth.

disagree. there are many atheists who work in the same manner.

Not really, maybe a few. I don't care about the results here either.

you know how big /r/atheist got on reddit? it was pretty big before the debacle.. and that subreddit was super obnoxious. atheists seem to have that itch they want to scratch, because they have to be absolutely right.

Quote from: BitChick on April 30, 2014, 12:56:15 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:14:27 PM

OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

The thing is, religious people are always pushed to recruit others... they will make up fake accounts just to show they are winning.

Non-religious people, meh, we don't care - we know the truth.

Winning? It isn't about winning or losing.

Could it be we actually care about the eternal state of our fellow man? If we really believe that God is real, that he has provided a way for us to be saved from eternal damnation wouldn't it be the right thing to share that with others out of sincere love for them? That is how I see it but I do understand that there is no way I can, or even should force my "religion" on anyone. But I would like others to at least grasp God's love for them. That is the goal anyways.

i can dig that.. it's hokum to me, but it's your right. only thing i am against is indoctrination of kids.. whether it be the muslim, christian, or whatever faith.. i'm totally against that.

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Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:14:27 PM

OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

The thing is, religious people are always pushed to recruit others... they will make up fake accounts just to show they are winning.

Non-religious people, meh, we don't care - we know the truth.

Winning? It isn't about winning or losing.

Could it be we actually care about the eternal state of our fellow man? If we really believe that God is real, that he has provided a way for us to be saved from eternal damnation wouldn't it be the right thing to share that with others out of sincere love for them? That is how I see it but I do understand that there is no way I can, or even should force my "religion" on anyone. But I would like others to at least grasp God's love for them. That is the goal anyways.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on April 29, 2014, 11:47:51 PM

Quote from: lynn_402 on April 29, 2014, 09:37:04 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:33:53 PM

yeah the more i think about consciousness, the more i get confused.

Yeah, it's amazing how matter managed to organize itself in such a way, to make it able to contemplate itself.

it's deception. aka teh debil.

remember the devil is responsible for all your BAD actions.

No, you are responsible for your actions. You cannot blame anyone else.

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Quote from: lynn_402 on April 29, 2014, 09:37:04 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:33:53 PM

yeah the more i think about consciousness, the more i get confused.

Yeah, it's amazing how matter managed to organize itself in such a way, to make it able to contemplate itself.

it's deception. aka teh debil.

remember the devil is responsible for all your BAD actions.

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Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 10:16:54 PM

still shocking that 46% of the people here have a religion.. and fyi, buddhism is not a religion.. since there is no god. i don't consider myself a buddhist, but more like a student of buddhist philosophy. a lot of their beliefs complement physics and the known world too.

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:14:27 PM

OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

The thing is, religious people are always pushed to recruit others... they will make up fake accounts just to show they are winning.

Non-religious people, meh, we don't care - we know the truth.

disagree. there are many atheists who work in the same manner.

Not really, maybe a few. I don't care about the results here either.

beetcoin

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still shocking that 46% of the people here have a religion.. and fyi, buddhism is not a religion.. since there is no god. i don't consider myself a buddhist, but more like a student of buddhist philosophy. a lot of their beliefs complement physics and the known world too.

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:14:27 PM

OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

The thing is, religious people are always pushed to recruit others... they will make up fake accounts just to show they are winning.

Non-religious people, meh, we don't care - we know the truth.

disagree. there are many atheists who work in the same manner.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:14:27 PM

OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

The thing is, religious people are always pushed to recruit others... they will make up fake accounts just to show they are winning.

Non-religious people, meh, we don't care - we know the truth.

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OK... total votes: 112. Total religious: 52 (46%). Total non-religious: 60 (54%).

The ratio is maintained even after close to 20 new votes. Good.

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Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 10:04:23 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 09:50:26 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

Many decades after his death, in fact. Several generations forgot about jesus, then suddenly people were able to remember ever detail about him. Again - Roll Eyes

Yep, pretty much... maybe 40 to 120 years later apparently. This interview with Reza Aslan in The Young Turks goes into some detail about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6E4eMX-4k.

i read reza's book on the jesus.. it was a decent read, since it was, you know, objective. basically their priests = our politicians today.

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Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2014, 09:50:26 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

Many decades after his death, in fact. Several generations forgot about jesus, then suddenly people were able to remember ever detail about him. Again - Roll Eyes

Yep, pretty much... maybe 40 to 120 years later apparently. This interview with Reza Aslan in The Young Turks goes into some detail about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6E4eMX-4k.

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Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:57:48 PM

i can see how you came to that conclusion.. i wasn't clear. what i meant is that people wrote the pretty much all of the bible.. in god's name, so that it could suit whatever the fuck they want. the bible is just a clusterfuck.. if you are a christian and want to justify your actions, just look to the bible.. and interpret it according to your needs.

Yeah, couldn't agree more. And if you are the church and you can define what the "correct" texts that make up the bible are, you can easily define the world view that is convenient for you.

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Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:56:16 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:54:00 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

i didn't imply that jesus wrote the new testament. im saying human beings did, with their own "interpretation" of it.

Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth, but that's what I understood you said from "it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god".

i can see how you came to that conclusion.. i wasn't clear. what i meant is that people wrote the pretty much all of the bible.. in god's name, so that it could suit whatever the fuck they want. the bible is just a clusterfuck.. if you are a christian and want to justify your actions, just look to the bible.. and interpret it according to your needs.

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Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:54:00 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

i didn't imply that jesus wrote the new testament. im saying human beings did, with their own "interpretation" of it.

Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth, but that's what I understood you said from "it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god".

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Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

i didn't imply that jesus wrote the new testament. im saying human beings did, with their own "interpretation" of it.

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Quote from: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

Many decades after his death, in fact. Several generations forgot about jesus, then suddenly people were able to remember ever detail about him. Again - Roll Eyes

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Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:42:16 PM

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

No, the bible wasn't written by Jesus; the several books that make up the "bible" were written through time, after his death. Then the books that were convenient to the church were chosen and put together, forming the bible we now know.

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Quote from: cooldgamer on April 29, 2014, 09:40:23 PM

Quote from: BitChick on April 29, 2014, 09:26:38 PM

Quote from: cooldgamer on April 29, 2014, 09:19:24 PM

Quote from: BitChick on April 29, 2014, 09:13:09 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on April 29, 2014, 09:00:01 PM

Quote from: lynn_402 on April 29, 2014, 08:58:46 PM

Quote from: BitChick on April 29, 2014, 08:17:22 PM

The fact that we have DNA shows that there was some planning or "information" that took place to begin with. In a way, information in our world and in our structure proves intelligence and a "designer." So it is logical to think that there was a plan. Without that the world might exist but we would not have intelligence at all.

Don't you agree that, in the 4.5 billions of years that the Earth has existed, molecules could have had the time to assemble themselves on their own, through fortunate collisions of atoms? I mean, in that much time, all the possibilities can happen, and as soon as the first cell is formed in a random process and the most basic strand of RNA (precursor of DNA) is formed, replication and evolution would then kick in and make life as we know it appear and change really fast.

i think bitchick doesn't quite understand evolution very well.

I think evolutionists do not understand the intelligent design of the world very well. Wink

My point is that we do not see order come from chaos. That is not something that is observed in our world. But we do see great signs of intelligence and planning in how everything operates and works together. The fact that we are intelligent as humans proves we had to have had someone or "something" more intelligent program us to work the way we do. It is just logical. To have intelligence come from nothing is not observable in our world.

What would have created the creator? If intelligence doesn't come from nothing, then he couldn't exist without something creating him, and creating that. Circular logic

Where does intelligence come from then? Could it come from nothing? Is that something we observe? Hence my argument about the computer. We can have a hunk of metal but with someone intelligent designing the software to make it run, it would do absolutely nothing. Our bodies are far more complex than a computer. Our brains more complex than any software design. But I am called illogical for saying that it took an intelligent designer to create us? It is more logical from observation that there was someone intelligent that designed us. That is all I am saying.

At first, the only intelligence we had was primitive instincts: survive and reproduce. As evolution advanced us, our brains became more and more complex, allowing us to gain more knowledge.

How is saying that there a omnipotent being that got bored and created a universe any more logical than the big bang? One has all of science to back it up, one has... *cricket chirping*

and let's not forget that the new testament, at the very least, was re-written to suit or "convert" romans.. and it wasn't written by "god" but only man who claimed himself to be god.

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Quote from: BitChick on April 29, 2014, 09:24:22 PM

Quote from: lynn_402 on April 29, 2014, 09:15:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on April 29, 2014, 09:13:09 PM

I think evolutionists do not understand the intelligent design of the world very well. Wink

My point is that we do not see order come from chaos. That is not something that is observed in our world. But we do see great signs of intelligence. The fact that we are intelligent as humans proves we had to have had someone or "something" more intelligent program us to work the way we do. It is just logical. To have intelligence come from nothing is not observable in our world.

The whole universe is a proof that order comes from chaos. At first there was the highly chaotic Big Bang, then chaotic galaxies formed, which gave birth to stars, which organized more complex matter, which made unchaotic planets, and so on

What can we observe scientifically that shows order from chaos? A big bang could not have left the universe in an orderly state based on observable science. Nothing we observe exploding leads to order and creation of anything new does it? A "big bang" could not have led to human intelligence and the amazing design of our bodies. There are just too many variables at play for everything to have happened by random chance. The position of the earth in relation to the sun, water on the earth, the way our bodies work, etc. There are just too many things that for them to have happened by chance it is mathematically impossible even adding the "millions and billions of years" to the problem.

The big bang wasn't an "explosion" as such, and based on "observable science" it very likely did leave the universe in the "orderly state" it now exists. Sorry, but you need to read up on it.

And you're looking at the creation of life the wrong way around... the conditions you go on to mention gave rise to life as you know it. It's not that life can't possibly exist in other forms, having started from different initial conditions: it's just that it's the only life we've seen so far, nothing more.

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