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April 29, 2014, 09:47:26 PM
While I consider myself an Atheist, I do believe there could be some type of existence after we die.

Isn't that the definition of an agnostic?
Unless you believe in Timothy Leary's vision, in which the few seconds during which a brain still works after we die are perceived as a surreal eternity; I find this an interesting idea Smiley
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 09:45:32 PM
You have to admit, accepting something unquestioningly, something for which there is no evidence and which offers no greater understanding of how the world around us works, does seem a bit irrational.

As for this universe coming from nothing or a "big bang", that is the best explanation science has come up with; but even if it isn't the whole story, contrary to religion, it allows us to make predictions and gain a deeper understanding. In short, it allows us to make more rational choices in relation to our environment. Religion on the other hand doesn't evolve, doesn't adapt to new knowledge.

"Religion" or on a more basic level, the belief in intelligent design gives me the basis in which to see that there is order and a design in which the world operates.  To me a world without an intelligent designer would be as irrational as having a computer operate without any software.  The computer could perhaps have "evolved" from nothing and just be a chunk of metal,  but there had to be an intelligent creator of the software that gives the program the design it needs to operate.  Even changing one piece of code, or taking code out causes the program to fail (kind of like what happens when there is an "error" in our DNA code which causes problems in our bodies with mutations and so on.)

The fact that we have DNA shows that there was some planning or "information" that took place to begin with.  In a way, information in our world and in our structure proves intelligence and a "designer."  So it is logical to think that there was a plan.  Without that the world might exist but we would not have intelligence at all.  

The order you see is already mostly explained by the laws of physics; simply adding a god to it doesn't help in any way, shape or form, we gain no new understanding, and it limits the questions we can ask about the world, because the answer is an arbitrary "god willed it so".

And what you go on to describe, it basically comes down to the old "Watchmaker analogy", which hasn't been seriously considered ever since the mechanisms for evolution of species were discovered; in no way does it follow that the existence of DNA proves there had to be a designer.

To think that order comes from chaos is problematic and can limit how we see the world and lead to problems in scientific thinking.  Just something to think about.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
You have to admit, accepting something unquestioningly, something for which there is no evidence and which offers no greater understanding of how the world around us works, does seem a bit irrational.

As for this universe coming from nothing or a "big bang", that is the best explanation science has come up with; but even if it isn't the whole story, contrary to religion, it allows us to make predictions and gain a deeper understanding. In short, it allows us to make more rational choices in relation to our environment. Religion on the other hand doesn't evolve, doesn't adapt to new knowledge.

"Religion" or on a more basic level, the belief in intelligent design gives me the basis in which to see that there is order and a design in which the world operates.  To me a world without an intelligent designer would be as irrational as having a computer operate without any software.  The computer could perhaps have "evolved" from nothing and just be a chunk of metal,  but there had to be an intelligent creator of the software that gives the program the design it needs to operate.  Even changing one piece of code, or taking code out causes the program to fail (kind of like what happens when there is an "error" in our DNA code which causes problems in our bodies with mutations and so on.)

The fact that we have DNA shows that there was some planning or "information" that took place to begin with.  In a way, information in our world and in our structure proves intelligence and a "designer."  So it is logical to think that there was a plan.  Without that the world might exist but we would not have intelligence at all. 

The order you see is already mostly explained by the laws of physics; simply adding a god to it doesn't help in any way, shape or form, we gain no new understanding, and it limits the questions we can ask about the world, because the answer is an arbitrary "god willed it so".

And what you go on to describe, it basically comes down to the old "Watchmaker analogy", which hasn't been seriously considered ever since the mechanisms for evolution of species were discovered; in no way does it follow that the existence of DNA proves there had to be a designer.
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April 29, 2014, 09:22:46 PM
"Religion" or on a more basic level, the belief in intelligent design gives me the basis in which to see that there is order and a design in which the world operates.  T

That is not what religion is.

Religion is the belief in a god.

A god can exist - it just migrated from another planet that formed and developed before earth.

Science has proven a god did NOT create the universe.  It's possible a god created earth, but not at all probable.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
So apparently, theists can't be intelligent... Ok.

They're not exactly rational though, are they?
Rationality is all about perspective. Something may be rational from your point of view that may not be rational from mine. That's why I asked about intelligence.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
Is it rational to think that this life is all there is?  Is it rational to think that everything in our world that is so complex and orderly and beautiful came from nothing or a "big bang?"

I am not sure who the "irrational" ones are sometimes.   Undecided

You have to admit, accepting something unquestioningly, something for which there is no evidence and which offers no greater understanding of how the world around us works, does seem a bit irrational.

As for this universe coming from nothing or a "big bang", that is the best explanation science has come up with; but even if it isn't the whole story, contrary to religion, it allows us to make predictions and gain a deeper understanding. In short, it allows us to make more rational choices in relation to our environment. Religion on the other hand doesn't evolve, doesn't adapt to new knowledge.

"Religion" or on a more basic level, the belief in intelligent design gives me the basis in which to see that there is order and a design in which the world operates.  To me a world without an intelligent designer would be as irrational as having a computer operate without any software.  The computer could perhaps have "evolved" from nothing and just be a chunk of metal,  but there had to be an intelligent creator of the software that gives the program the design it needs to operate.  Even changing one piece of code, or taking code out causes the program to fail (kind of like what happens when there is an "error" in our DNA code which causes problems in our bodies with mutations and so on.)

The fact that we have DNA shows that there was some planning or "information" that took place to begin with.  In a way, information in our world and in our structure proves intelligence and a "designer."  So it is logical to think that there was a plan.  Without that the world might exist but we would not have intelligence at all. 
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April 29, 2014, 09:06:05 PM
i put agnostic, but i'm actually a Christian    Cheesy
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 09:03:43 PM
Is it rational to think that this life is all there is?  Is it rational to think that everything in our world that is so complex and orderly and beautiful came from nothing or a "big bang?"

I am not sure who the "irrational" ones are sometimes.   Undecided

You have to admit, accepting something unquestioningly, something for which there is no evidence and which offers no greater understanding of how the world around us works, does seem a bit irrational.

As for this universe coming from nothing or a "big bang", that is the best explanation science has come up with; but even if it isn't the whole story, contrary to religion, it allows us to make predictions and gain a deeper understanding. In short, it allows us to make more rational choices in relation to our environment. Religion on the other hand doesn't evolve, doesn't adapt to new knowledge.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 08:32:43 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
So apparently, theists can't be intelligent... Ok.

They're not exactly rational though, are they?

Is it rational to think that this life is all there is?  Is it rational to think that everything in our world that is so complex and orderly and beautiful came from nothing or a "big bang?"

I am not sure who the "irrational" ones are sometimes.   Undecided
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April 29, 2014, 05:43:37 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
So apparently, theists can't be intelligent... Ok.

They're not exactly rational though, are they?
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 05:33:04 PM
no, more like "mostly atheists and christians."

With 98 votes, we have 53 Atheists + Angostics. That is a simple majority at more than 54%. We can give official minority religion status to Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and Satanism.  Grin
Although I would be inclined to agree with you, Atheists and Agnostics are two quite different things which shouldn't make up a majority together.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 05:25:48 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
So apparently, theists can't be intelligent... Ok.
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April 29, 2014, 05:19:54 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
I'm sure you are an atheist too... I call myself agnostic ...! but I want to hear a religious persons take on this one... otherwise it will be called a biased judgement..!

Nope. I don't like to put tags on my beliefs, but if I did I'm an Atheistic Agnostic Existential Nihilist  Grin.
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April 29, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
I'm sure you are an atheist too... I call myself agnostic ...! but I want to hear a religious persons take on this one... otherwise it will be called a biased judgement..!
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 04:53:22 PM
Where's the 'lol religion' option?  Cheesy

there should be a "I don't religion" option Cheesy

Well, that's called atheism right?  Tongue

Not necessarily. You could be a theist or believe in a god but also believe in 'lol relgions' too  Grin.

Unless "lol religions" stands for "Lucifer our lord" based religions, I don't see how that could work...  Tongue

How couldn't it. You think all religions are bullshit but believe in a god, hence 'lol religions'.

I suppose you're right; I was going by the broad definition of religion, that is "belief in spiritual beings", but it's probably more correct to consider all the social interactions and rituals that usually come along with it.
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April 29, 2014, 04:52:47 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why would it be a bad thing? I'd rather we have intelligent, rational people in society than the opposite.
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April 29, 2014, 04:51:36 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!

Why should you be surprised?
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April 29, 2014, 04:43:12 PM
Why I'm not at all surprised to see the number of atheist in the community..! I just wanna know is it good for our society or not that more and more people are turning Atheist day by day..!
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April 29, 2014, 04:32:07 PM
Where's the 'lol religion' option?  Cheesy

there should be a "I don't religion" option Cheesy

Well, that's called atheism right?  Tongue

Not necessarily. You could be a theist or believe in a god but also believe in 'lol relgions' too  Grin.

Unless "lol religions" stands for "Lucifer our lord" based religions, I don't see how that could work...  Tongue

How couldn't it. You think all religions are bullshit but believe in a god, hence 'lol religions'.
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April 29, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Where's the 'lol religion' option?  Cheesy

there should be a "I don't religion" option Cheesy

Well, that's called atheism right?  Tongue

Not necessarily. You could be a theist or believe in a god but also believe in 'lol relgions' too  Grin.

Unless "lol religions" stands for "Lucifer our lord" based religions, I don't see how that could work...  Tongue
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