Topic: Remove red trust, it is nothing but noise. Getting sickening to watch. - page 3. (Read 1118 times)

I have been reading this forum sporadically for 9 years. Recently I wish to prevent what I view as a move to discredit this forum. Personal vendettas accrued over years of petty squabbling is ruining this forum.

There is no argument possible. To prevent scamming, only prior scamming or strong evidence of attempting to or setting up a scam are relevant.

Other subjective indicators of possible scammer traits are infested with pretty squabbling and clear abuse.  They devalue the strong objective scoring that requires objective evidence.

This is an insoluble problem.

Additionally, it pollutes the forum with intense drama and bile.

The flags are here. The tagging system is of no further benefit.

You would have a point, if theymos hadn't explicitly said on multiple occasions that he encourages forgiveness.


It is entirely possible to think someone has been dangerous in the past, and to also think that person has reformed and is unlikely to behave dangerously again in the future. If it weren't, then every crime should carry a life sentence since reformation is impossible in your worldview.

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His posts are relatively to the point, there aren't any randomly capitalized words, and he has gone more than 2 posts without throwing out any childish insults. He's obviously an alt, but I don't think it's CH/TOAA on this occasion.

It sure looks like it. I'm not taking any chances: I'm ignoring the troll before this turns into a 12 month drama again.

Can't tell for sure without the royal "we". Let's see if he calls CH a "legend".


You've only been on this forum for about an hour. That's not enough time to see the beneficial uses of red trust. Feel free to look around and report back with proper arguments and evidence when you're ready.

Your speculation is incorrect and off topic.

Your comment demonstrates you do not have the forums best interests at heart. It further demonstrates you have no understanding of the intended purpose of a trust system.

It is a statement of truth. That if you do not have clear objective evidence of scamming or attempting to / setting up a scam, all other information is subjective personal noise that serves only to dilute and destroy the credibility of the trust score.

There are many other clear examples of red trust being given that are clearly for personal grievances. Those are more than enough reaason to abolish a system that provides no additional benefit.

I have seen no credible argument that demonstrates the old red trust system is now anything other than a tool for manipulation rather than to protect the members of our forum from being scammed.

The point being made by the poster directly above is not relevant. If you claim you are sure someone is dangerous and a scammer, forgiveness is not a factor. You don't mutually then both claim that other members do not deserve a warning now that those claiming you were a dangerous scammer decided to make a truce. If someone has scammed or been dangerous then it is impossible to reason they should have tags removed for recently playing ball.

This is exactly why subjective personal opions are not to be tolerated.

Those arguing against the requisite of objective evidence of scamming or strong evidence of attempting or setting up a scam need to present their argument.

I hope this isn't Cryptohunter/The-One-Above-All back from his fantasy vacation.


Jay-z and Nas used to say the same things and now they're best pals. Beefs get squashed. I think this is just more proof that you can't really win with what you do here. People leave negative to attack others and complain about that. Then people decide to remove it and call a truce and people also complain about that. I think what they did is better than just letting the quarrelling escalate and the tit for tat battling go on forever. If theymos removed the trust system - or just negative - I can guarantee you people will also cry about that, especially all those that then go on to get scammed because there were no warnings in place.

Let me guess: your main account has negative feedback, but no Flags yet?

There's a lot wrong with the Trust system, but one example of 1 user changing something won't make it in my Top 10.

The recent red trust bartering between PN7/quickseller and Laura and friends, is only another demonstration of the mess red trust creates. A very short time before both sides were claiming the other was dangerous, escrow scammers, extortionist and they would not trust them as far as they could throw them.

We now witness the "forgiveness" mutually as suddenly red trust is no longer required by either side. This is now how trust works. You don't go from claiming how dangerous and scammy you believe each other are to trading red marks for mutual alerations and editing of threads presenting evidence you were sure about days before.

Time to remove the red trust system and rely upon flags. If you do not have clear objective evidence of scamming or strong evidence of attempted/ setting up scamming then the trust system need not be bothered with your personal grievances and personal squabbles.