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@Branny:  Why are you seeking a loan, and at 14% monthly interest?  Wasn't your SPO [Second Public Offering] and the consequent bitcoin price increase sufficient?  I realize that attractive deals present themselves, but taking out a loan at 14% monthly interest is not how a real business handles such things.
Why not explore a less extreme approach, such as... a loan from a bank?


Most banks want 2yrs of operating financials before they'll consider a loan to the business. One bank we've talked to will let us get by with about a year's worth of financials if the cashflow looks good. We won't hit 1 year for a few more months.

Hard money finance is one of the largest methods out there for real estate finance in the US for flips. 14% interest is quite common, most HMLs also want 3%-5% in points paid either up front or at the end of the loan pushing the APY yield to over 30%. At 14% APR we're still looking at making a significant amount of money off this specific piece of property.

@Branny:  Why are you seeking a loan, and at 14% monthly interest?  Wasn't your SPO [Second Public Offering] and the consequent bitcoin price increase sufficient?  I realize that attractive deals present themselves, but taking out a loan at 14% monthly interest is not how a real business handles such things.
Why not explore a less extreme approach, such as... a loan from a bank?

I think he said 14% yearly interest paid monthly, not 14% monthly interest. That is still higher than one should be willing to pay, but not as astronomical as you make it sound. Branny: Before jumping to 14% interest, why not see if you could get any investors at a much more reasonable rate, like 5% or 3%?

And it should be "subsequent bitcoin price increase", not "consequent bitcoin price increase", the SPO did not cause the price increase (as far as I can tell).

I've had virtually no interest at 5% and 6%. I have started to get interest in this avenue at 7% and am working with some groups who are showing said interest. Unfortunately these kinds of things take time (months) before you get the deals hammered out, and this specific property will be sold in 2 weeks or less.
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@pummle re. "14% monthly":  Sorry, reading fail on my part (and a typo).
The point still stands, though--a loan for purchasing real estate is something that banks are quite familiar with, since most people don't buy houses with a suitcase full of cash.

I believe Branny has addressed this previously, that all the banks he talked to said he needs a longer history as a landlord before they will consider giving him a loan to buy more properties.
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@pummle re. "14% monthly":  Sorry, reading fail on my part (and a typo).
The point still stands, though--a loan for purchasing real estate is something that banks are quite familiar with, since most people don't buy houses with a suitcase full of cash.
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@Branny:  Why are you seeking a loan, and at 14% monthly interest?  Wasn't your SPO [Second Public Offering] and the consequent bitcoin price increase sufficient?  I realize that attractive deals present themselves, but taking out a loan at 14% monthly interest is not how a real business handles such things.
Why not explore a less extreme approach, such as... a loan from a bank?

I think he said 14% yearly interest paid monthly, not 14% monthly interest. That is still higher than one should be willing to pay, but not as astronomical as you make it sound. Branny: Before jumping to 14% interest, why not see if you could get any investors at a much more reasonable rate, like 5% or 3%?

And it should be "subsequent bitcoin price increase", not "consequent bitcoin price increase", the SPO did not cause the price increase (as far as I can tell).
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@Branny:  Why are you seeking a loan, and at 14% monthly interest?  Wasn't your SPO [Second Public Offering] and the consequent bitcoin price increase sufficient?  I realize that attractive deals present themselves, but taking out a loan at 14% monthly interest is not how a real business handles such things.
Why not explore a less extreme approach, such as... a loan from a bank?
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TBH i'd like to avoid btcjam, but we could split up the loan over say 10 investors if we could come up with the full amount.

I'm trying to figure out pricing to protect the loan, but I *think* It isn't too terribly expensive, so from what I'm seeing now I could buy enough futures to protect price rise to further secure the loan.

Additionally there would need to be a trustee elected to handle the contract on the collateral we'd be offering up in case of default.
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Put up a loan request on BTCJam, I would put a little bit your way 

I'll look into it, however they want verification from coinbase, and part of that is access to the coinbase wallet to buy/sell/transfer/change settings on the CB account which I absolutely don't want to allow.

Could you set up a second coinbase account to use with BTCJam, so they wouldn't be able to affect your main account?
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Looking at ICbit, it might be best to buy some 3-6/mo futures contracts to hedge against price increase.

The problem here is that we're already hedged against BTC decrease due to the investment being in USD and repay in USD. I'm willing to buy contracts to prevent BTC loss against a upswing, however it's one of those things where the risk differal costs me more money, so I'd hope for potentially lower loan pricing IF we hedge against increases. I'll run more numbers and figure out what kind of scenario I can offer.
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Put up a loan request on BTCJam, I would put a little bit your way 

I'll look into it, however they want verification from coinbase, and part of that is access to the coinbase wallet to buy/sell/transfer/change settings on the CB account which I absolutely don't want to allow.
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Put up a loan request on BTCJam, I would put a little bit your way 
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Sellers countered at $24k on the Scioto #3 property. We offered $21k. It isn't a terrible price, but now we are not obligated to buy it at $21k freeing up some cash. Granted I have many renters in that area whom want that house and would put over a grand down on it.
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Could look at the BTC loan section of the forums..
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Preference is to the value in USD but we could do a price increase clause to lessen the blow if Bitcoin rises severely.

Also, are there effective sources of Bitcoin futures to hedge against increase?

Interest would be 14% apt paid monthly till investment is paid back.
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Me too, i can give my small contribution of 1-2 BTC
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Yes please let us know the answer to the above question.  If you need extra funding I would be interested, cannot cover the full amount of the loan, but can help out some if needed.
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I was able to review the property and it's about what I thought it would be :

House is in good shape (structurally) but extraordinarily out of date. It also could use a new roof. I figure $20k would put it in really good shape, $25k and it'd be in phenominal shape.

A house recently within half a block was flipped : $52k purchase, $15k in renovations or so, $125k sales price.

I think we could do $60k + $20k  with a $125k sales price and get it sold quickly.

I just double checked and we have 127btc in the account ($82.5k). I would realistically like another $25k to do the project completely.

So, if anyone out there might be interested in a high interest, short term loan (using properties we have now as collateral) hit me up. I could pay 14% interest on a short term (3mo) loan.
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Odd situation...

We just submitted a offer for a property that would make a FANTASTIC rental , almost ready to go at a asking price of $25k, needs <$5k in repairs, gonna try to get it for $25k including repairs. Will rent for $650-$700/mo (31.2%-33.6%).

However right after submitting the offer (Within 30m) I got a notification that a fantastic property for a flip had been listed. Great location, decent price ($67k) with the potential for a profit of $40k or more on a 3-4mo timespan. Problem is with the cash we have in the bank + Wallet it comes out to *around* $115k or so. Take off $25k, then the $20k margin I want to keep in the bank for trouble spots, and we would barely have enough to finish the rehab/sales phase of it.

I'm not complaining - We're in a fantastic financial spot right now, when it's all said and done we'll be bringing in nearly $8k/mo gross from the rentals after all properties are accounted for. I hate to miss out on the chance of a quick $40k net profit on a flip.

Not sure what to do yet, I have a few guys that are interested in loaning us USD mortgages, but I'm in the early stages of working out the details.




Maybe structure a separate LLC that RentalStarter could be a majority owner, but the remaining balance could be made of a couple of investors that fund the remainder.  Either way, I'd be interested  if you want to look at possible funding alternatives.
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Odd situation...

We just submitted a offer for a property that would make a FANTASTIC rental , almost ready to go at a asking price of $25k, needs <$5k in repairs, gonna try to get it for $25k including repairs. Will rent for $650-$700/mo (31.2%-33.6%).

However right after submitting the offer (Within 30m) I got a notification that a fantastic property for a flip had been listed. Great location, decent price ($67k) with the potential for a profit of $40k or more on a 3-4mo timespan. Problem is with the cash we have in the bank + Wallet it comes out to *around* $115k or so. Take off $25k, then the $20k margin I want to keep in the bank for trouble spots, and we would barely have enough to finish the rehab/sales phase of it.

I'm not complaining - We're in a fantastic financial spot right now, when it's all said and done we'll be bringing in nearly $8k/mo gross from the rentals after all properties are accounted for. I hate to miss out on the chance of a quick $40k net profit on a flip.

Not sure what to do yet, I have a few guys that are interested in loaning us USD mortgages, but I'm in the early stages of working out the details.



I would say go for it. If it's that good of an opportunity then it'll be worth it in the end, plus it could be used to get more rentals.
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