Topic: RENTO BOUNTY MANAGER - cheating Signature Bounty. (Read 1631 times)

I can post my bad experience with the Rento bounty manager.

After the end of the bounty, and after the calculation of stakes I removed my signature. While I was waiting for the tokens to be in wallet, I did not look into their telegram channel. I thought its a normal process to take sometime before they send the tokens. But suddenly one day, I have seen that they have introduced kyc and the date for bounty hunters are passed just 2 days ago. I requested the bounty manager to consider my request and open the kyc. He declined to do that and finally tokens were not distributed to me. Bounty manager is supporting the project heavily and is very strict. may be savings tokens like this might fetch him all the remaining tokens? I don't want to argue too much on it but would like to get this to light about the attitude of the bounty manger and team. Honestly, they did not even keep the kyc open for 1 full month whereas for airdrop, they kept the kyc open for 1 full month. Why is it like this? Why don't they send information to the people through some means (like email, bitcointalk PM as it is signature campaign)?

Accepting my mistake as not following the project for sometime and I am moving away from this project to move forward. There are lots of opportunities around.

They might don't even list or they will get vanished all of sudden. Who knows and who cares.

For this kind of cheat, they will get their punishment by some means. may be thats also the reason, they could not raise much money as per their expectation!!!!

not received my bounty reward 

BOUNTY has been completed and tokens sent.

AIRDROP has been completed, the KYC form closed, and the distribution of tokens until August 30.

Airdrop nickname BTT isn't needed in the Airdrop form.

Seems like a contrived issue. Why does it have to be any particular day, never mind the last day of the month?

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There were 3 matches for "Ihor" because there were the following entries: {Ihor, Ihor Bortnikov, Ihor Hladkiy}

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I don't like how they're revealing names in a public spreadsheet though. That's pretty bad.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19eLZcQu_t38PFcfhuYHu2_Ht71uFjMpS/view

I have participated in this campaign, but havent received tokens as-well.
Could you please post a link to the document from your screenshot ? (or at least try to look for me in the table)

Funny think - it is said in their telegram channel that "Bounty distribution completed", but reading further it is written "The distribution of tokens will take place after closing the form to 30 August 2019." (Btw, why 30 August, when August has 31 days  )

The company posted a document where it'svery difficult to determine who did participants the KYC , there is no proper identification at least by the name BTT. The team says in the chat that the distributor is over. Many participants did not receive paymen,and I too..

absolutely rightly said, KUC was not at the beginning of the company, I received nothing, and many more such people, since they simply did not have time to go through KUC. In addition, the company did not pay an award For work in TELEGRAMM, In general, deception at every step.

eurobend6 (The actual RENTO bounty campaign manager) has messaged me letting me know he's paid all participants.

I assume he will be posting here shortly with that information. I've asked him to share that as proof.

that's it, Only this fact is already a fraud, KUS did not have to go at the beginning of the company. Somewhere in early May there was a message that Will KUS but the form was not, And now it turns out that I was late, And I am far from alone, to which the manager wrote so, there were no letters in a personal note about the change, but normal managers should about this notify. They also had a reward for carrying an inscription and a logo in a telegram, which disappeared and there was not even a tab in the table. Now, If https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/eurobend6-1875094
 is a representative of the team, the only option for a fair decision, if it is really impossible without a cous, it is to extend the deadlines and recalculate all awards for the conditions on which the partners entered. In general, KUS does not cover bounty hunters, they don’t invest money, They invest time and knowledge.

  Only for this it is necessary to attract, change the rules after the start of work

@blurryeyed

Include the thread starting from the message above yours.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1064824

Did you study political science or aspire to be a politician? You're awfully good at including out of context information only beneficial to yourself and excluding what doesn't benefit you.

So it's OK when you deliberately abuse the trust system to get someone else (me) marked in red for pointing out your scam involvement, but it's not OK for you to get tagged by others for involving yourself in yet another scam?



Your moral compass is broken.

Since the Rento team's campaign manager eurobend6 keeps leaving me unfounded negative feedback on this forum, figured I'd share this gem from his overlord. Relevant.

Pretty silly that they're the ones that momentarily tried to screw their participants over and now they're after me. I'll repeat once more. @eurobend6 @eBitICO please provide proof you've paid (edit: or have begun paying) your participants if you want any negative claims removed. That's all you had to do in the first place to avoid this shitshow of a thread and get me marked in red.

I was surprised when I saw the thread that disappeared and saw rules has changed, I was very sorry when I saw 1 stake  = 1 token
I also saw the team asking for KYC for participants (this is ridiculous thing)
I only get 565 stake * $ 0.12 = $ 67.8 if they reach ICO prices
I don't want to exchange my personal ID with garbage like that

LOL

@eurobend6

As long as you pay people by the original rules that your company had me post I don't think it matters and everyone can leave with a smile on their face.

I am curious however if these KYC laws in your country existed when you launched the bounty or if there is documentation showing they were newly implemented by your country during the bounty.

It's an important distinction because KYC requirements should have been made clear from the beginning if the laws were already in place.

According to the decision of the head of the company, the payments will be in line with the percentage split.

In February, there were no lawyers' decisions regarding the payment of free tokens. However, the law requires KYC and I have no influence on it. The token can not be sent without user verification.

According to the information, the verification of KYC continues until May 30, then we will convert the rates into tokens and send tokens.

Of course you want the topic removed because it shows what you guys are doing.

1) You modified campaign rules in post #9 of the bounty thread which @akamit pointed out

2) You then added KYC verification to your users when your campaign was already over

I offered to run the actual campaign for higher pay. Your "company" declined.

I'm not going to directly contact eBitICO and work behind the scenes messaging to hide anything. You've modified the rules of the campaign, I got red marks for it. I came to this thread to explain and help get YOU to pay users their rightful earnings. That is why I'm here.

If you want to play innocent I'll have no problem spreading what you've guys done through every medium possible. If you want to do the right thing, pay every single user what they're owed, drop the KYC nonsense since you didn't specify it in the beginning it's your legal trouble, and once every single participants has been paid fairly I'll remove any negative comments against your "company" and you can continue building out your product as you see fit. After your posts here I see no doubt that you and user eBitICO are the same account operator.

Can you provide proof that you've paid some of your bounty participants yet?

You destroyed yourself by writing anything in this topic. You didn't explain the matter directly with the representative of the company (EbitICO), who paid you 2ETH for adding the topic Rento. You expected additional paid for each edition of the topic!!

The reputation of the company, despite your behavior, doesn't change.
The project is being developed. The official version of the application will be officially published in a month. The company has many private investors who don't read such stupid topics as this one. Investors aren't interested in SPAM about free tokens that will be paid out.


Again, @craslovell has destroyed its reputation by trying to destroy the reputation of others. World Champion! Applause!

I think the topic should be removed. Too much stupidity here.

I'm wondering why eBitICO shouldn't be tagged for changing the rule now for KYC? When the payment time came for hunters, they issued a new rule "KYC" and it's unacceptable imo.

You're the bounty manager who modified the rules on people. Look at your post history. How dare you come in here accusing me of anything.

either that or you're just a paid shill for them. However your listed email is the same as the Telegram username who was telling people to "deal with it" after changing the rules for the 5 minutes I was in your Telegram before booting me out.

Here's a link to you lying to people: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50981073

And more proof you're the one who deserves red: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50042865

and another: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50044178

I wish one of these members would have contacted me at that time so this could have been nipped in the bud long before this occurred. It's also my fault for not keeping an eye on old things and making sure they didn't get out of hand even though I was not the one managing them.

Edit: you still planning to pay people the fair amount like eBitICO keeps messaging me saying you will?

A lot of laughter in this topic 

@craslovell has destroyed its reputation by trying to destroy the reputation of others. World Champion! Applause!

Walls of text and bitching at other members has led me to put craslovell on ignore. Tag accurate and his behaviour isn’t really making me want to think about removing it

Oh stop crying.

Who is on my trust list & who isn't, who I add & who I don't has nothing to do with anything - especially one as outdated as that, it's much bigger now - it's not news.

I'm glad you've finally been rumbled by other members. Get over it. You didn't see me creating a cry baby thread when you asked dog to abuse the trust system out of spite, I just got on with my thing because I knew it was BS. Tagging scammers comes with the risk of getting tagged by said scammers - if everyone created a cry baby thread every time they got tagged by one the forum would be unreadable.

Keep on topic. If you want to post about that stupid thread then do it in that thread - the link is in my sig.

@blurryeyed

I just wanted to make sure you're as much of a psychopath as others claimed you were and you've just passed with flying colors.

I'm glad to hear you're interested in Helium. If you want to stay abreast of the most recent updates you'll need to join our Discord channel which can be found on page 1, post #2 of this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annhlm-helium-decentralized-services-digital-networks-main-net-live-5056752


Unless you're looking for the dated original thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annhlm-helium-1809278

There are a multitude of other resources on that thread which link off-site where you can find anything you need. Should keep your little motor buzzing for hours. I promise we've not yet made contact with the extra-terrestrials, and the NSA has indeed backed out of their exclusive information sharing deal with us.

I'm unsure why you posted a link to me saying "bounty payments have been sent for Helium" with several users confirming underneath. Unless you were trying to help confirm that I do follow through on my word? That was nice of you.  

Community Outreach Partner? So you're the expert on titles and you can tell me exactly what any given title defines. Short of obviously CEO and others which also sometimes have blurred lines.. I'm glad to know you can tell me exactly what my role is and exactly what I did or did not do as a human being based on a three word title. Can you tell me then perhaps, what a Community Outreach Partner II would do/be?  

And yet again, why do you hate Oleg so much. Did he personally harm you at some point? If anyone wants to know who this apparent "scourge of humanity" as he makes it seem is, read the Emercoin team page here and click on Oleg's links http://emercoin.com/en/team to form your own opinion.


You're only here to cause a stir. If you'd had some logical case against me other than personally hating me you'd have created your own "craslovell" is a scammer thread and actually posted concrete factual information without selectively choosing your snips and invading someone else's thread where I'm here in an attempt to be a postive force to help people who the rules have been changed on as well as clear my red marks. *inhales*

blurryeyed: "The only reason I posted here is because I browse the meta thread"    sure you do... that's really your explanation for following me here? and where might I have posted in meta about that?

AGAIN with your self incriminating trust screenshots. It's as if you want to get caught breaking the forum rules. Perhaps it's the only way you can achieve satisfaction in your life?

Why don't you just direct people to your entire multi-year thread of insanity instead of one of your screenshots so they get the whole story: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1064824

Just stop. Or don't. In my experience telling you to relax is the equivalent of, well, I don't know... Paint the most colorful picture of the opposite of relaxation, add a dash of insanity, and boom there's your answer. I've reported your bombardment of this thread and am somewhat astonished that nobody else told you to take it elsewhere by now.

Edit: And just for good measure let's show everyone here the link to the post directly above the one you snipped your screenshot from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1064824

Wrong. You were Community Outreach Partner which is pretty much the same position you assume with all the other scams you get involved in - your mate Oleg Khovayko of Emercoin/Hashcoins/Polybius/Hashflare was an advisor - which is also the same position he assumes in all the scams he gets involved with too, apart from Emercoin where he's CTO. Stan Polozov, CMO of Emercoin was also involved - you guys seem to be some kind of close-knit scam group eh?


Wrong. I've not contacted you since you left Emercoin. The only reason I posted here is because I browse the meta thread often & noticed you had made a false statement about not being involved with scams, so I corrected you. I have also never posted in your latest self-moderated scam thread Helium either, which is yet another thread that you have abandoned since February:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056752.120

Guess we can add that to your ever growing list of scams too.

You seem fixated with me being many people on many forums, it's like you've convinced yourself that it's true, but you conveniently forget that it was you that got me on that stupid shit list in the first place:



That right there is the very definition of forum trust abuse. The fact that you have gotten away with it doesn't bother me at all - I actually think it's funny. You were upset about being exposed so you literally asked your mate to smear me with false accusations, typical scammer behavior.

So, here you are, crying about a few tags for being involved with yet more scams when you've been responsible for getting others tagged for doing nothing but exposing your other scams. BooHoo.

Don't PM me again with cry baby excuses.

@blurryeyed

Yes of course, posting in an alternate forum with one of your accounts clearly somehow shows I'm involved in a scam.

I did help advise Hamster Marketplace for the first few months of their existence which was a recommendation by Stan P. from the Emercoin team. I never took a penny or the equivalent of a penny in any form of currency and left long before their ICO launched because of the following:

1) they didnt like what I had to say (which was ironically why I was there)

2) I didn't agree with their proposed methods of raising funds

3) there are legal boundaries being a US citizen and working with a team running and ICO in a foreign country

4) I was to be paid after the ICO based on the ICO results, and legal hurdles aside I didn't trust the guys so I split

When I saw their ICO launched with and magically had a few million invested at the time of launch I knew it was a wise choice to disassociate myself because based on the prior conference calls we had I knew there was no way they started with that sizable of an investment.

I've not kept up with progress since but since I figure your meds won't kick in for a while I'll do some reading on it now in between your desperate cries for attention.

I've never been associated with any other company you mentioned in any capacity whatsoever. You have a bare link to reddit thread where I am not mentioned and don't  exist? You can't find any piece of actual evidence I've done anything. I don't know how they do things in your country but the onus of proof is on the accuser not the accused.

I don't know how you can call Dogie a scammer. Dogie bas a solid reputation on this forum.

You have been following me and personally harassing me for years because I worked with the Emercoin guys. I literally had no association with you before that. You targeted me because I was publishing PR articles for them.

Now if you want to start a thread where you personally try to bash me for things I've never done go ahead and start it elsewhere.

Edit: I do see my face is on that bitcointalk thread. That's the problem when your picture is on the web, anyone can use it. We've already had people bombard the Emercoin Slack with fake accounts with my face on them asking users to send funds. I'll get it removed.

Are you sure? Seeing as they are the same people it's super easy, your face is splashed all over the webz with those guys & a few more as well - here's another:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ico-hamster-a-decentralized-platform-for-selling-unique-innovative-gadgets-3098967

You & a few more of the Emercoin/Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius crew involved in that ICO scam too, what was it, $4,384,281 you guys ran off with when you abandoned your thread?

https://icobench.com/ico/hamster-marketplace

It's common knowledge, every forum on the webz knows what you & your crew have been up to:

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=8279.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/hashflare/comments/7l3rll/

Going from one scam to another doesn't make them go away, your history stays with with you where ever you go & eventually catches up with you.

As for me being bazzilions of other people - that's just funny - I added it to my sig so that everyone else can go & have a laugh at it too. It's funny how all the scammers I upset go there to post......

Edit: Like you just did....lol

I can tell you the original post I put on the forum for them did not include it. Check the archived link.

When I angrily entered their Telegram group the other day I recall seeing the KYC announcement within 2 to 3 days of the rules change they made. Would need to make a new acct to verify that because I've been banned from their telegram.

Edit: shasan beat me to it

Archive of their bounty post is https://archive.is/4FHEX#selection-615.0-1502.307
They have never posted regarding KYC before posting on this thread.

Did you advise of KYC before the bounty?

@blurryeyed

You should take all 25+ of your alt accounts and get off this thread since it has nothing to do with you. I don't know how working with Emercoin, a primary partner of Bitfury qualifies me as dishonest. I also haven't worked with the Emercoin team in years. They're still doing great things and coming out with new technologies other blockchains aren't even sniffing.

I never promoted any of the other aforementioned companies and I'm willing to bet you can't find a single shred of proof on the internet that I ever did.

The fact that you monitor my account waiting to pounce is disturbing. Seek the mental help you need and get your off topics posts off this thread.

Even if you wanted to make an on topic comment on this thread you'd first have to utilize basic reading skills which we know you lack at this point.

You realize you out yourself by putting one of your alts on your trust list right? I have one mark at this point from a default trust member. Your screenshot would indicate more because you have your own alts added to your list. How dumb can you be?

Just so everyone knows who you are: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1064824

Sure you have. You you used to promote the Hashcoins/Emercoin/Hashflare/Polybius scammers, then you promoted Yobit - promoting scams is what you specialize in:



I'm surprised your score isn't lower TBH:

As your project ended and you have announced a new rule you have to send a message to all the people so that they can know about the rule. You should create a pinned post on telegram update it on bounty thread and also post all of your social media sites and along with those you should send them a private message. Otherwise, I think 70%+ people will not be able to fill the KYC and later they will spam by saying give my payment! give my payment!

That wasn't the problem as far as I know. The problem was that I was getting fried here on Bitcointalk because someone on your team or using the account you're currently posting with edited the rules in post #9 on the bounty thread shortening the pay for users of the signature campaign.

It doesn't matter at this point as long as it's made right.

We never said we wouldn't pay out tokens! It was always mentioned in the telegram.

Thank you for doing the right thing. I'd hoped something like this wouldn't have happened from the beginning but as long as you pay everyone fairly I don't think this incident will damage the future of your token/project.

By decision of the company's head, the tokens will be distributed in accordance with the % posted in the bounty topic.

Due to the fact that the @craslovell user has removed the main post, the official post can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48265215

According to the law that is valid in Malta, each bounty participant must pass the KYC procedure to receive tokens.

Link to KYC: http://bounty.rento-app.io/

The KYC form will be available until 30 May 2019.

The distribution of tokens will take place after closing the form to 30 June 2019.

I was trying to consolidate the post with the last long one. I'll stop posting here but only to reply or add relevant info.

I suppose I worded it poorly. The point is in fact not my feelings on the matter but the fact that TMAN's basing the negative rating off of me not paying people while blatantly overlooking the fact that I do not have the power to pay the people because I don't control the wallet/keys/etc and never did. This is the point I'm trying to convey. Was not the manager. Was not the fund holder. Was not a part of the team. Was the person to initially post the first two posts of the campaign one of which saying I am not associated.

I've taken your advice and will not participate in this type of setup ever again in the future. I also appreciate you and Avirunes removing your ratings after giving me a chance to explain the situation and attempt to right the ship.

I've not had any contact from their (Rento) team since what I posted earlier today. Sure a mod can confirm that I've not received any messages from the user ebitico. And as stated I've been booted from their Telegram group after posting my screenshot earlier in this thread calling out their admin(s).

The rating is threatened to be held and I'm essentially being asked to steal to try to save my name. Which I will not do and do not have the ability to do. TMAN is either asking me to steal, or simply not understanding my explanation. I don't know what else I need to say or show TMAN to get my point across but I'm willing to do whatever it takes short of stealing or attempting to steal from someone.

So if you're telling me the trust system here works on Default trust members feelings or suspicions and not facts then this is a broken system.

I just want to know what TMAN wants me to do to make it right and get this removed. I have no power to pay people, but I can try to help make the guilty parties follow through and pay.

He has every right to leave the rating where it currently is; your feelings are irrelevant. Actually, they might make things worse depending on who you are discussing such an issue with. I'd also appreciate it if you guys stopped unecessarily bumping this thread so often. Consolidate your input on the matter.

I was never the bounty manager as I specified multiple times above. Read akamit's post where he/she points this out.

I did the original OP, then the 9th comment on that bounty thread are the actual people running the bounty and controlling the funds.

I've run multiple bounties in the past where I was the actual manager including ones for Helium, Terracoin, and now NovaToken where I am/was a member of those teams and ensured every single participant was fairly paid.

Do you understand, I am NOT the manager of this campaign, never was, and never had control of the funds. The user eBitICO is the manager and has control of all funds. I cannot force another human being to send people funds like they promised. All I can do is ask the Rento team (user eBitICO) to follow through on their word.

Something wise to keep in mind for myself is 1) never even help someone post a bounty like this again and 2) if I were to post on behalf of another project again I will make damn sure I'm  the one controlling the bounty funds to make sure people don't get screwed.

You can see that I've  messaged the people controlling the funds this morning/afternoon and they've yet to reply to me . IF I had control of the funds I've had paid them out already but I never held a single one of these tokens and never intended to.

So when you ask to make sure people get paid I can't. I don't have the power. It simply isn't my money or tokens. I have zero power to help other than implore the people who do control the tokens to do the right thing. That is why I'm asking you to reconsider your trust rating of me. I didn't  do a bad job managing this because I never was the manager.

This entire thing went sideways in a 24 hour period and the actions of the Rento team, the people controlling the tokens, are why I got the negative trust. I literally didn't even have time to react or try to help. That is what I'm doing now, trying to help these participants by begging the Rento team to do the right thing.


@TMAN Please don't take the following as offensive towards yourself but this is what I feel you're doing to me right now:

To summarize, this is why you're keeping negative trust on me(paraphrasing):

TMAN: "Hey craslovell, i gave you negative trust because you posted a bounty thread for someone who lied and became a scammer in the past 48 hours but before that had no indication wrongdoing. you need to pay people out"

Craslovell: "I had no indication user eBitICO or any one of these Rento employees were scammers other than the past 48 hours when they changed the rules and this all surfaced. I don't control the funds to pay people out, they do. I was never the manager of this campaign. I just posted the first bounty post to get it started for them months ago because until that point they had done nothing wrong. Obviously now that the rules have been changed out of the blue by them I realize this was a bad idea."

TMAN: "It doesn't matter. You need to pay people out"

Craslovell: "But I don't control the keys or the funds. How can I pay people out? The only thing I can do is ask eBitICO and the other Rento team to pay these people out"

TMAN: "You aren't qualified to run bounties and you need to pay the users out and maybe I'll remove the negative trust"

Craslovell: "So someone I did a job for (posted a single thread) turned in to a criminal in the last 48 hours after showing no other indication of such malignant intent, and now you're holding me accountable to literally try to steal the funds from them to pay people or you won't remove the negative trust rating from me?"

TMAN: "Pay them or I won't remove the negative trust"

I LITERALLY have no power to pay these people. If I did i WOULD.


Also - Looks like mods have deleted several of my posts to clean the thread. I'll try to keep my info here in a more tidy fashion.

You expect me to remove the tag after this and the fact participants still are not paid? It seems to me you aren’t best qualified to deal with bounties at all after this.

Understandable, but I don't have any power over the payments being made. You do realize I do not and have never had control over any of the bounty funds correct?

The best I can do is implore these people to follow through on their word. I can't threaten them or force them to keep their word and do what they should've done from the start. In the meantime this will severely hamper the bounty programs I am indeed running for the team I am a part of (NovaToken)

I’m not removing mine now, I may reconsider in 30 days, please do not contact me until then but in 30 days drop me a PM and I’ll review. People need to be aware you do not do your job properly, I hope the payments will of been made by then if not the tag will stand

@akamit

I'm glad you can see that I did not edit my OP. And yes I'm  sorry for the spam. I'm hoping TMAN will read everything and reconsider his trust rating.

At that point I'd be glad to consolidate my ramblings to 1 single post with all the factual bits in one place and clean this up so it's easier for users who've been wronged to read this thread.

I pretty much agree with your points and thanks for clearing up the things which I didn't give a thought on this before. Your points make sense. 

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Now to the main topic,

To understand your points more correctly, I would like to ask one thing. Maybe you had other reasons for tagging which I also would like to know in order to learn how to Judge/Advocate cases.

You have tagged craslovell, and you also said "There should be some sort of proof that the disclaimer existed in the past (or at least pre-accusations)", then what I've seen that the disclaimer was posted before the accusation which is 3 months 2 days ago even with the edit. And also when I checked the bounty thread I haven't seen any terms which said 1 stake = 1 token afair, the term was from tg group from recent chat. But now I can see the term in post #9 which has been edited the day accusation was posted.

Thanks for your time.


@craslovell
You made this thread crap with tons of posts... I know you were upset but that doesn't mean you will break forum rule... You should be happy now that you haven't got banned yet for multiposting.

And congrats on getting your red paints removed by convincing DT with your story.

Please be careful with your jobs from now on... 

Absolutely will. Thanks again. I'd rather not even get involved in one of these again as I'm  busy running bounties for teams I am actually a part of.

Removed mine as well. Just do it right from next time and stay updated with the telegram groups if you are going to do these kind of jobs.

He says he'll fix it. Just posting this here for people to see. Time will tell. Hoping the other two can still remove their marks from me. Yes my language was not the best but as I stated earlier I was BENT when I saw this. If it's true that this is one of their rogue bounty managers in their telegram that did this then he should be the one the Rento team/people are mad at.






BTW, I was also booted from their Telegram so I can't see or reply to anything there including bringing more screenshots here.

Thank you Lauda.

I didn't do any calculations myself on this but I mean the amount they claimed to pay from the beginning (in the post I did and never modded) was obviously enough for people to want to join. I'm still imploring them to make it right and pay people what they're owed.

Given what he was planning on paying them, i.e. scamming them, it's negligible pocket change either way it seems.

@Lauda
@TMAN
@Avirunes

done. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rento-bounty-avoid-not-currently-paying-users-their-fair-share-5076209

The reason he showed up on this thread is because I angrily called him out on Telegram, on Bitcointalk, and via email.

He says he'll correct it which he still can but that thread is now dead. My only worry now is that they choose not to pay these people at all.

@eBitICO

You can still fix this. Just do the right thing and pay people what they're owed. Maybe if it's fair then the entire bounty thread could be nuked and you can actually develop your project as you say you're doing.

Also (and I shouldn't even have to say this) my lesson has been learned here. No 3rd party posting of this kind of thing EVER again. If you can't already judge by my reaction NO, it wasn't worth the minor pay to post this for these people and catch these kinds of problems.

I have other proof which I can provide in PM if need be. Just let me know. Or here, whichever you see fit. Just want this red trust cleared and this bounty fixed for the participants.

Reading the replies now and will make adjustments per your recommendations as soon as I get to the end of the thread here.

List me the accounts of everyone involved. Who are you even?

No, don't PM me.

First correct your mistake, and then ask ))

Lauda please, do not make such conclusions in advance!
We have all the evidence, please answer me in PM

I wrote to all our managers! We fix it!

The administration please remove the red mark for craslovell !

Very soon we will pay all tokens to the bounty company. It took a lot of time to count stakes.

We do not deceive anyone, Administration please to contact me as soon as possible to resolve this conflict.

I was earlier going to consider removing feedback but after Lauda proving a point now I am not gonna until the craslovell follows what Lauda has asked to resolve the issue. You brought this up on you mate. Just do things right now mate if you feel what you had done is all I am gonna say.

I am not removing my tag, pajeets did what they were asked and didn't get paid - don't care that its only Pajeets.
if you got an issue either escrow the payment or don't pitch shit - It ain't fucking hard dude.

Oh and stop sending me PM's

Sorry for the spam everyone I'm just... upset.

I message cyrus and mprep. Sorry Lauda - didn't click at first that you were not a mod.

Back in December I contacted mprep about the Rento post, but not the bounty. I would hope this shows intent to keep things clean and that I was not associated with this.

I did indeed lock the thread as can be seen after he replied to me:



Had I known they were not fairly paying people for the bounty I'd have done the same to that thread.

@craslovell you posted so many times in a row that you've broken the rules sufficient times to get yourself banned all at once. I'll conjure a destructive reply soon.

Inexperienced user he is. If one's concern is the total number of participants, then one needs to find a BM that knows how to properly set up the campaign to tackle this problem.

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Not even close to how poetically I'd like to describe this stupidity. You put everyone and your account on the line for 1 ETH. That is some bad judgement.

Your reputation? You must be confused, you have no reputation.

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Follow this guide:
Anything other than this and I won't remove my negative. It has to be clear to everyone that the project has scammed. We are not talking about some bounty missmanagement (which is so frequent that it is alright), we are talking about outright scamming.

How about the proof that my disclaimer was there and was not edited other than adding the contact information of the actual team. As a mod you should be able to see this. You should also be able to see that ebitico posted shortly below my original post, which I never updated on his request.

Had I been warned that people were being jipped of funds I would have locked the thread as stated. i've posted a warning on the thread now because i only learned shit was going sideways TODAY

What is this even supposed to mean? We're talking stakes here, not fixed numbers.

And here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48265215

It looks like I didn't even edit it once now that I'm reviewing further.

The link above "ebitico" is the one scamming people.

You red trust me - he'll just get someone else to do his posting. He probably won't even care if you red trust his account. It's a basic account with no statistics. He probably has more of them. It took me years to build myself up here just to get slapped in one fell swoop like this from moderators.

I'm here to help recover funds any way I can. I've emailed this dope at the email I posted above. I don't feel it's fair to roast me because the owner of this project didn't follow through on his promises.

Also - what's even going on in the Telegram group, did anyone bother to reach out and check with this guy there?

The most recent bounty I've run/completed is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hlm-helium-campaign-thread-bounty-information-heliumpaycom-2104006

Everyone was paid out accordingly. The only delay was that the network was literally not even launched at the time. Once it was and the funds were available, all participants were paid accordingly adn exactly to the rules. I don't cheat people. I warning or contact from the mod would have been nice before painting me with red trust. I will still 100% to go bat for the people that got burned by this but it is simply not fair to fuck up years of me being an honest member on this forum for this.

More participants in a particular campaign then that campaign needs big allocation of tokens.

The only edit I can remotely remember posting was actually adding the telegram link for the team.

The thread was untouched otherwise, because as my disclaimer states I HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT OTHER THAN THE POST

This is the contact information of the person who request I post this shit bounty:

Illia Panashchenko <[email protected]>

Sorry again for the spam.. will stop till you guys get a chance to read. I've archived the page so you can see where the user ebitico edited the rules. He is the one scamming users. I have a less than 24 hour turnaround time since he edited the rules for someone to alert me so I could help. Up until this point not a single human being messaged me with concern that this bounty was a scam. Look at this post where he mentioned 1 stake = 1 token which was edited then look at my original post where that was NEVER present only the original rules.

https://archive.fo/zD0cq

I don't  know how it's  fair that I get red trust when there was nothing pointing to him scamming users until the last 24 hours... you could use this same logic on anything. What if a bank glitch stole your funds but worked fine for years and out of nowhere the money was gone. You going to go hurt a bank manager like it's their fault?


Also - greedy idiot?
  kind of harsh. I took a payment of 1eth to post this on their behalf the day it was posted. It wasn't about greed it was about personal need as my roommate had recently left me. So when someone I've dealt with previously and did not scam anyone in the past says "hey, can you post another one for me, I'll pay you" yes I took the opportunity. I will even share the email chain if you'd like to see it where I requested a higher payment AND offered to actually manage it for that increased pay. I was told that was not necessary, I need only post the announcement thread and their team would manage the rest. So i took the 1eth payment, said good luck and here we are. From that point until this very day I had no involvement. The person who requested this (whose contact information I posted earlier in this thread) successfully ran an ICO in the past so there was no indication to me there would be any scam. It's not my fault 6 months later that this guy changes the rules on a whim and I get tagged in red with no time to even address or respond to what's going on.

I'm archiving this thread as well so you can't decide to delete my proof that I'm not guilty of anything other than being blindsided by people on the default trust list that didn't bother to give me a chance to present my case or read the facts before crapping on my reputation.

I don't mean to offend anyone here but I'm obviously pissed off. I've been on this forum for 6 years now and you have jumped to the conclusion that I'm scamming people without first properly researching the facts. I don't want to lose this account to negative trust because of something this stupid.

My job was not to manage the thread, but to post it. The honesty was in my disclaimer, along with contact information for the Rento team.

Also, I'm not random.. I've been here for years and worked with various crypto teams including Emercoin, Terracoin, and Helium without a single complaint of dishonesty or scamming anyone.

To say I am HEATED right now is an understatement.

Also - I received no complaints of non payment. As a mod I'm sure you can sift though my pms and see this for yourself.

Ok, look at the original post I did on their behalf: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rento-bounty-avoid-not-currently-paying-users-their-fair-share-5076209

Then look at the post they edited here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48265215

Which I quoted at the end of the thread so he can't remove it. He must have edited the 1 stake = 1 token thing in the past few days.

Here is a pic of their telegram admin trying to use that as proof:



And here's me being really fucking mad and awaiting a reply:

Lauda,

I reached out to mprep on this (i have copies of the message) regarding the actual thread for this Rento... mpreps advice was to warn the Rento team to not have bots post on the thread and lock the thread if they continued spamming.

Other than that I have no indication that shit would turn in to a shit show until I woke up to red trust today.

How did I catch negative trust for this?

I was involved in no way shape or form other than the post, as described here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48253626

I've been on this forum for years and have never once scammed or been accused of scamming someone. This is pretty upsetting.

Mods - I'm hoping you can review this for me.

I'll reach out to the idiot team that had me post this and do whatever I can to help.

I don't remember, but it doesn't matter. If it turns out botched and you don't act on it as soon as possible, then I'll be the first to tag you, yes. It splits into two situations at this point:
1) Disclaimer is in thread. There should be some sort of proof that the disclaimer existed in the past (or at least pre-accusations). If it was added sometime later to protect OP after things became dodgy, then it's a tag.
2) Disclaimer is not in thread. Is alright if you can prove that you are truly not part of the project and acted as soon as possible.
The proper way to handle it would be to:
1) Edit the thread to make it clear that it is very dodgy or a scam (possibly even wipe it out), title as well.
2) Add link to discussion/accusation in thread.
3) Lock it.
Anything other than this three-step guide and I'll tag the OP.

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Do you want to guess how much time need to pass, and how many messages need to be sent (I'm sure the author received atleast a dozen already) before he comes whining "I didn't know"? Disclaimers do not absolve you of responsibility, and my belief is so strong that I wouldn't agree with someone's counter and would counter the counter. Way too many people have been hurt because of such nonsense.

You also showed a good point which I didn't notice about the edited post after 2.5 months.
It looks like he has edited a reserved post after 2.5 months to put his disclaimer thing, maybe he has realized about it later.

There is also a point that he never posted to that bounty thread again except the original post and the edited second post with his disclaimers.
Does it make sense that a bounty thread grew up to 410 pages and the bounty manager never needed to post in that thread in order to respond to his participants for any cause? I tried to find but haven't found one.


Last year I have contacted you for advice, do you remember? The case, when I was up for a deal to post a bounty thread for a project.
But I was in doubt and fear if the project turns to a scam and I went to you for a suggestion. You advised me to put a disclaimer clear and visible to protect myself and I did it!

I don't know what happened with that project as I never visited that bounty thread nor I have been contacted by anyone with any issue.
So my question is to you if that project turned out to be a scam then will you the first one to tag me?

#IhateScams

A disclaimer does not absolve you of not acting accordingly after the scam. The user is almost equally guilty as the project owners and/or bounty manager(s). If you don't want trouble and don't know what you're doing, then do not post threads on behalf of others because you are a low-life greedy idiot. You're welcome and #IhateScams.

You have shown us a good point but it is a matter of sorrow that the post has been edited about 2.5 months later of the bounty post. So there might have something else. Many people keep a reserve post and I think that has been edited 2.5 months later of the main post. And on that time this disclaimer added.

I saw the disclaimer now, where the bounty thread creator said,

OP had the conversation with someone from their official telegram group, an admin there. So it makes sense that they don't know how the stake system works and said it is 1 stake = 1 token.

In regards to the bounty poster, my question is, how appropriate is tagging craslovell who had a disclaimer saying he has nothing to do with the project. He is just posting on behalf of them.

I also posted a Bounty thread in the past on behalf of the team of that project and added a disclaimer as suggested by someone experienced here.

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Disclaimer: I know I'm not good at advocating, judging the cases. So if my above post hurts anyone please ignore my post and move on... Just think the post came out from a LOW BRAINER! TIA!

Matter of payment IMO, an experienced manager will ask for high payment. That's why most of projects just choosing inexperienced bounty managers.  

However, likely BM helping team to save fund or stake keep by himself, not sure since OP doesn't add any details. But stake should be distribute according to allocation of %, and it might be 1:1 by depends on participant of campaign. So send PM to bounty manager reply on this thread or add profile link so we can send PM to BM. 

This never happened or happens so rarely that nobody remembers such a case.

And according to the OP, the bounty manager has changed payment terms after the campaign and I usually do not see that 1 stake means 1 coin. I have seen a lot of projects where distribution happens allocated token/total stakes. Where 1 stake can be 10000 token or 0.003 tokens. I mean, I have not seen any terms where stake=token.

There goes the reason why bounty participants should also check the manage and his experience. Lot of them out there in service section have no idea of this and no idea regarding how to deal with some situations. Wonder why projects still happen to choose inexperienced and managers with no status at all.   

Random bounty manager? Check.
Zero management skills? Check.
Zero honesty? Check.

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URL to thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rento-bounty-avoid-not-currently-paying-users-their-fair-share-5076209.

I have not received my tokens yet. Need to wait and see how the ratio is and decide on it. Lots of bounties are cheating bounty hunters. I beleive this wont be the case here with Rento and hope they stick to their words and rules.

Here's the thread, as an archive: https://archive.is/4FHEX

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There is nothing that says it's a 1:1 ratio between stakes and tokens. It wouldn't even make sense mathematically when you consider the % allocation.

Why you have not posted the link of the bounty as well as bounty manager to check that by the expert and why you have not posted from your original account. As you have posted from your alt account it seems to me fake accusation. Anyway, your image is not showing directly so I am quoting you images:

I want to create this thread because the bounty manager is cheating bounty hunters! Here is the proof for every one not to work with this company and not to participate in bounty campaigns with this manager!
I bring in evidence as screenshots from the BTT branch so that you understand what conditions the bounty manager put when creating a bounty campaign. The bounty campaign lasted 14 weeks and at the end of the campaign, the bounty manager announced that 1 steak would be equal to one token for all campaigns! For comparison, a participant in a signature campaign receives 110 tokens per week as well as a participant in a facebook who has 4500+ friends receives 120 tokens per week. And these rules were announced only after the company ended. The number of participants in the subscription campaign = 119 people and the number of people on Facebook 985 and the Bounty manager says that these conditions that he has set are now honest. I have two options: we all should write a complaint about RENTO or collectively destroy the reputation of the bounty manager, because most likely he was deceiving the founders of the project for profit. What do you think?

Here is the images as a proof:
https://ibb.co/68tLHvk
https://ibb.co/HHYX1rF
https://ibb.co/GFTnrtV
https://ibb.co/VvfHMG9