Repux & Joytoken & Amazix Investigation - page 2.

thehun

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Quote from: marlboroza on May 11, 2018, 07:29:24 PM

You are wrong, bounty hunters worked for Amazix.
If company A hire company B to do job and company B hire workers for that job, company B should be held responsible for not paying workers.
You are only one to blame for managing bounty without escrowing funds.

A bounty manager is no more than a project manager. If a company employs an external project manager for a certain project, the people under him will still be working for the company and it will be the company who is responsible for paying their salaries.

There is no way to escrow tokens that haven't been issued yet (the bounty started several months before the ICO). That said, we are working on smart contract solutions to ensure that this won't happen in the future.

Quote from: marlboroza on May 11, 2018, 07:29:24 PM

It is relevant. Did you get your payment?

Yes, long before this exploded. Does that really change anything?

Quote from: marlboroza on May 11, 2018, 07:29:24 PM

They made announcement a month(May 9.) after both campaigns ended (jaytoken bounti ended on April 22. and repux ended on April 8.).

Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 11, 2018, 06:54:52 AM

When their team decided to make changes and your team decided to leave each project

Answer this, because it looks like you knew about changing deal long time before it was announced, also your team member stated that everyone will get their tokens, not 7-8% of arranged deal:

We found out about their intentions just 3-4 days before we made that announcement. Before that we were busy counting stakes and reviewing the huge number of blog posts that had been submitted. When finally the sheet was ready and only the exact number of tokens was pending to be added is when we found out that they weren't willing to pay.

Quote from: marlboroza on May 11, 2018, 07:29:24 PM

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group? Undecided

I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

Someone already answered this. The groups are owned by the ICO project, not by AmaZix.

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Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 08:19:46 AM

Quote from: favelle75 on May 11, 2018, 07:52:56 AM

It matters to identify victims of this case. This answer shows that you are not a victim here. Can you please roll back to beginning of this project.
Who were you in in contact with repux-joytoken teams. ?
Who is @novatron (Telegram) David Siu (I am not sure his real name is David Siu)
Do you know that same person was the "CEO" (As he introduces himself on Telegram) of both projects?

If a person comes to you and says we are running 2 ICOs same time and going to raise millions of dollars and you are going to be paid upfront and run our bounty campaign. What do you think?.
I am not an idiot person and i will be sure that they are going to scam people.

so in this case David Siu contacted you for 2 ICOs in same time or not? Please tell your long story from beginning.

Ok, we never said we were the victims. The bounty hunters are the ones taking the hit.

David Siu (CEO of Novatron Capital) is real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKosBKBiy_s

He is an advisor for both RepuX and Joytoken but the CEO is a different person. Marcin Welner in the case of RepuX and Andrew MacDonald at Joytoken.

Both projects came to us from the hand of David Siu and at the same time, the onboarding procedure was standard, and at the time there were no signs of what was going to happen afterwards. The projects raised less than expected, largely because of the bear market (that affected many other ICOs at the same time), and at the end of the ICO they decided that the amount allocated was too high to be paid out in full.

I believe its safe to say both the project teams and David Siu are not competent as they claim to be. A lot of crypto projects devised means to reach their goals even in the bear market, with airdrops and referral campaigns that were funded from the marketing budget..

I applaud amazix for the swift action they took by notifying the public of developments as soon as they can.

If I may suggest however, I would suggest Amazix make contractual agreements with projects in the future because of avoiding repetition of cases like this.

Also a project can include conditional clauses in their bounty terms like: "In a case where the hardcap is not reached, bounty rewards will be paid in proportion to the raised funds"... I'm sure a message like this will prepare bounty hunters in advance for the eventuality of the situation.

Thats why most projects allocate a percentage of their funds raised for the bounty projects

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Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 09:42:21 AM

Quote from: adam1230 on May 11, 2018, 08:56:22 AM

First of all i need to say that i cannot be fair on this case cause i am one of the victims.
This is not the first case for bounty campaigns and not going to be last one.

So we need to take action for upcoming scammy ICOs and scammy bounties.
Dear Amazix; I understand that you get paid and you are not a victim. So why don't you think to pay bounty hunters on a weekly basis with Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Projects are raising Ethereum and so they have enough budget on bounty payments and you can calculate weekly payments very quick on raised amount.
Or at least you can give payments %50 ethereum %50 token.

This way Scammer Project owners will stay away. This is in your hands for sure.
Crypto is community driven economy and i am sure all our community will support this type of bounties. Everyone will be happy.
Also We are in same ship and there is no RAT! here.

Please take your position against scammers and convert your Bounty payments to weekly basis on ethereum.

All bounty hunters work (or spam) for 16 weeks for nothing this is really long time period and ended up with scam.

First of all, this is not our decision, but of the ICO project. And this is unfortunately not feasible in all cases as the ETH raised is needed for the development of the project. If this was to be done the allocations would be way lower than they are currently.

may I ask?. Do you have any contracts signed with the projects for the services provided? Just want to understand the degree of responsibility of the parties. Working conditions, time frame, force majeure must be specified in the contract.
What are the guarantees that in the future similar actions on the part of the project in the AmaziX will not be repeated?

aga@pit

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Repux scam!

lx001

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The sad part is that Repux were unable to inform the community about the reduced pool before the end of the crowd sale. This is becoming more and more popular now. If people are unable to handle a simple campaign properly, I am pretty sure their final product is going to be a mess too, we have seen loads of examples earlier.

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I received 57 Repux tokens for 12 weeks. Angry

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Quote from: [email protected] on May 11, 2018, 08:46:17 AM

Amaziks always went to the defense of their community and sought payment in full, I have long been working with projects that offer Amaziks, there have been misunderstandings about payments and Amaziks has always been protecting the community and their interests, I am sure in the Amaziks team that they defended the interests of the community !! it's not about who spent time three seconds or a few hours on the bounty, the amount for which people agreed to advance the project, spend their time and no matter how much it took time and effort, it's human labor and everyone evaluates it as it sees fit , there are expensive workers there deshovye, they designated the amount for which people were ready to work! this is marketing and work, people attracted investors and the project raised funds for their development, they pay hunters for bargains not from their own pocket, but with the coins that they printed and bounty hunters will sell them to other investors on the market, look at the project atlant , they kept their word to the community, the amount of bounty payments is higher than investment! remember what cryptography is, first of all, justice and transparency

Yes agreed.
I can see they fighting with the repux team just to secure bounty hunter original allocation and
Repux team still don’t want to honour the first aggrement. And hence why Amazix decide not to working with them anymore.

By the way for everyone here that doesn’t know. Amazix not only manage the bounty, they manage all repux telegram and becoming the Q&A support team for their token sale. So they step down and dont work with this scammer anymore when this Scammer Doesn’t want to Honour Bounty Hunter token allocation

And In all Amazix bounty , bounty hunter work for the project but it manage by Amazix

And all distribution being made by the team project.

I hope for future bounty , Amazix team can take Token pool beforehand and put it in smart contract or they hold the token first to avoid getting involved with this kind of Scammer like Repux team again.

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Quote from: marlboroza on May 11, 2018, 07:29:24 PM

Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 09:40:12 AM

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You didn't work for AmaZix, you worked for RepuX. We don't hold the tokens and have no influence in this decision nor any way to "guarantee" payments. If you feel like this makes us not to be trusted, then you're free not to join any more of our campaigns.

You are wrong, bounty hunters worked for Amazix.
If company A hire company B to do job and company B hire workers for that job, company B should be held responsible for not paying workers.
You are only one to blame for managing bounty without escrowing funds.

Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 06:45:29 AM

We didn't get kicked, we decided to leave as we couldn't reach an agreement as we thought that their decision was unacceptable. This decision was taken after the end of the respective campaigns.

Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 07:40:10 AM

Whether we get paid or not is not relevant to this case as it is not the topic of the discussion.

It is relevant. Did you get your payment?

Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 11, 2018, 06:54:52 AM

did you guys make an announcement in the threads?

They made announcement a month(May 9.) after both campaigns ended (jaytoken bounti ended on April 22. and repux ended on April 8.).

Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 11, 2018, 06:54:52 AM

When their team decided to make changes and your team decided to leave each project

Answer this, because it looks like you knew about changing deal long time before it was announced, also your team member stated that everyone will get their tokens, not 7-8% of arranged deal:

https://archive.fo/AUkOF

Quote from: momopi on May 06, 2018, 08:17:05 AM

Hello guys! We do apologize for a little delay about the bounty distribution. We understand that it should be within 30 days and that's what we always do across our bounty campaigns. Rest assured that everyone who helped us will be getting their tokens and we keep on communicating this with Repux devs. We really appreciate everyones patience.

For real time update about the token distribution, I would like to ask everyone to join our Repux Bounty Telegram Group:
https://t.me/repux_bounty

Quote from: momopi on May 09, 2018, 12:23:11 PM

We've been kicked out to their Telegram Bounty Group and we can't access even their main ICO telegram group. We tried everything we can.

Please join their telegram group about the token distribution: https://t.me/repux_bounty

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group? Undecided

I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

I just want to comment on the telegram problem.
They got kicked from REPUX TELEGRAM. That is not their own telegram, they just admin

Anyone can get kick out from the telegram group. Even admin.

Repux/joytoken must have be the group creator and they can kicked anyone

Idk why you want to argue about that.
Dyod about telegram first

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Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 09:40:12 AM

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You didn't work for AmaZix, you worked for RepuX. We don't hold the tokens and have no influence in this decision nor any way to "guarantee" payments. If you feel like this makes us not to be trusted, then you're free not to join any more of our campaigns.

You are wrong, bounty hunters worked for Amazix.
If company A hire company B to do job and company B hire workers for that job, company B should be held responsible for not paying workers.
You are only one to blame for managing bounty without escrowing funds.

Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 06:45:29 AM

We didn't get kicked, we decided to leave as we couldn't reach an agreement as we thought that their decision was unacceptable. This decision was taken after the end of the respective campaigns.

Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 07:40:10 AM

Whether we get paid or not is not relevant to this case as it is not the topic of the discussion.

It is relevant. Did you get your payment?

Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 11, 2018, 06:54:52 AM

did you guys make an announcement in the threads?

They made announcement a month(May 9.) after both campaigns ended (jaytoken bounti ended on April 22. and repux ended on April 8.).

Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 11, 2018, 06:54:52 AM

When their team decided to make changes and your team decided to leave each project

Answer this, because it looks like you knew about changing deal long time before it was announced, also your team member stated that everyone will get their tokens, not 7-8% of arranged deal:

https://archive.fo/AUkOF

Quote from: momopi on May 06, 2018, 08:17:05 AM

Hello guys! We do apologize for a little delay about the bounty distribution. We understand that it should be within 30 days and that's what we always do across our bounty campaigns. Rest assured that everyone who helped us will be getting their tokens and we keep on communicating this with Repux devs. We really appreciate everyones patience.

For real time update about the token distribution, I would like to ask everyone to join our Repux Bounty Telegram Group:
https://t.me/repux_bounty

Quote from: momopi on May 09, 2018, 12:23:11 PM

We've been kicked out to their Telegram Bounty Group and we can't access even their main ICO telegram group. We tried everything we can.

Please join their telegram group about the token distribution: https://t.me/repux_bounty

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group? Undecided

I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

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if the community continues to turn a blind eye to such things, it will not lead to anything good, such decisions are a very strong blow to investors and those people who were engaged in the promotion of the project, teams must fulfill their promises, I believe that a lie strikes at the entire crypto industry

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Quote from: Simpler on May 11, 2018, 05:35:31 AM

4 months wore their signature for $ 20
Project Scum,sorry only spent time,the developers of the project are losers,they all threw all and with such guys somebody does not know

This is why I never join more than 1 month duration project for signatures (or I do if the payment is weekly on my wallet). I know the reward is lower in this way but if you will be scammed the loss will more accetable!

thehun

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Quote from: adam1230 on May 11, 2018, 08:56:22 AM

First of all i need to say that i cannot be fair on this case cause i am one of the victims.
This is not the first case for bounty campaigns and not going to be last one.

So we need to take action for upcoming scammy ICOs and scammy bounties.
Dear Amazix; I understand that you get paid and you are not a victim. So why don't you think to pay bounty hunters on a weekly basis with Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Projects are raising Ethereum and so they have enough budget on bounty payments and you can calculate weekly payments very quick on raised amount.
Or at least you can give payments %50 ethereum %50 token.

This way Scammer Project owners will stay away. This is in your hands for sure.
Crypto is community driven economy and i am sure all our community will support this type of bounties. Everyone will be happy.
Also We are in same ship and there is no RAT! here.

Please take your position against scammers and convert your Bounty payments to weekly basis on ethereum.

All bounty hunters work (or spam) for 16 weeks for nothing this is really long time period and ended up with scam.

First of all, this is not our decision, but of the ICO project. And this is unfortunately not feasible in all cases as the ETH raised is needed for the development of the project. If this was to be done the allocations would be way lower than they are currently.

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Quote from: fitop on May 11, 2018, 08:54:03 AM

Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 08:19:46 AM

~snip

Ok, we never said we were the victims. The bounty hunters are the ones taking the hit.

So all understand that you guaranteed yourself with an "upfront" payment but on the other hand "we" trust Amazix and worked as labour for Amazix. So why don't you guarantee your "Labours" or "Teammates" and just say sorry we are leaving? Only rats escape first!

Under this conditions how I am going to trust you and how I am going to join any campaigns of you?

You didn't work for AmaZix, you worked for RepuX. We don't hold the tokens and have no influence in this decision nor any way to "guarantee" payments. If you feel like this makes us not to be trusted, then you're free not to join any more of our campaigns.

[email protected]

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 11, 2018, 06:16:12 AM

Quote from: Klara_karlovna on May 11, 2018, 06:11:58 AM

Quote from: amirmass on May 11, 2018, 06:06:32 AM

This is not just limited to these. There are many other projects where the participants are victims. This is both fraud and labor theft. We do not want to see such projects anymore.

I agree, so we should not be silent, otherwise more and more projects will come. We worked and it has to be paid. In daly life, you get a job with a salary of $ 5,000, and a month get $360. This time no one even can't imagine, because immediately there will be a lawsuit!

I don't know how hard you really worked. Let's be honest here. Most of you guys took 3 seconds out of your days to copy/paste some tweets or shares on facebook. I'm not trying to be a prick here but none of you bounty hunters are really busting your asses.

it does not matter who spent time and energy, if it is a disabled person who needs to press a button, it takes a lot of effort for this action. cryptography is primarily an equitable distribution, people were ready to work for the amount indicated by the team, people do not care how much they will collect the project they spend their time for the project to raise funds, and do not claim for most if the project collects large funds, all should be fairly fair and transparent

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the project atlant also collected funds in a bad period of time and did not collect the necessary amount, but they kept their word and paid the hunters for their heads in full volume, the bounty participants had much more payments than investors, thereby raising the rating of the project, no need to tell those who promoted that you did not get what they expected was not a problem for bounty hunters, the team indicated the amount for which people were ready to promote the project

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First of all i need to say that i cannot be fair on this case cause i am one of the victims.
This is not the first case for bounty campaigns and not going to be last one.

So we need to take action for upcoming scammy ICOs and scammy bounties.
Dear Amazix; I understand that you get paid and you are not a victim. So why don't you think to pay bounty hunters on a weekly basis with Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Projects are raising Ethereum and so they have enough budget on bounty payments and you can calculate weekly payments very quick on raised amount.
Or at least you can give payments %50 ethereum %50 token.

This way Scammer Project owners will stay away. This is in your hands for sure.
Crypto is community driven economy and i am sure all our community will support this type of bounties. Everyone will be happy.
Also We are in same ship and there is no RAT! here.

Please take your position against scammers and convert your Bounty payments to weekly basis on ethereum.

All bounty hunters work (or spam) for 16 weeks for nothing this is really long time period and ended up with scam.

GREENch

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Quote from: Klara_karlovna on May 11, 2018, 05:54:50 AM

Quote from: favelle75 on May 11, 2018, 05:01:29 AM

Here is calculation for Repux :
They promised $700,000 in repux tokens and now its reduced to $89,805 in repux tokens. Around $4,700,000 raised during ICO soft cap was $1,000,000

No, $ 51,322.86 Look calculation https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IjrA64rs2wn_zwNxLzF2nQ6nIiXTxszdKiUj_uMY178/edit#gid=1858358213

The price is dump, not bounty hunters. Now my 27 token for 10 week FB and TW cost 0.80$

But all and Sundry are screaming that the bounty hunter drained rate of coins.
It was either the advisers or the team project. Ah and weak hands are amenable to panic

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Quote from: thehun on May 11, 2018, 08:19:46 AM

~snip

Ok, we never said we were the victims. The bounty hunters are the ones taking the hit.

So all understand that you guaranteed yourself with an "upfront" payment but on the other hand "we" trust Amazix and worked as labour for Amazix. So why don't you guarantee your "Labours" or "Teammates" and just say sorry we are leaving? Only rats escape first!

Under this conditions how I am going to trust you and how I am going to join any campaigns of you?

[email protected]

sr. member

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Amaziks always went to the defense of their community and sought payment in full, I have long been working with projects that offer Amaziks, there have been misunderstandings about payments and Amaziks has always been protecting the community and their interests, I am sure in the Amaziks team that they defended the interests of the community !! it's not about who spent time three seconds or a few hours on the bounty, the amount for which people agreed to advance the project, spend their time and no matter how much it took time and effort, it's human labor and everyone evaluates it as it sees fit , there are expensive workers there deshovye, they designated the amount for which people were ready to work! this is marketing and work, people attracted investors and the project raised funds for their development, they pay hunters for bargains not from their own pocket, but with the coins that they printed and bounty hunters will sell them to other investors on the market, look at the project atlant , they kept their word to the community, the amount of bounty payments is higher than investment! remember what cryptography is, first of all, justice and transparency

thehun

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Quote from: favelle75 on May 11, 2018, 07:52:56 AM

It matters to identify victims of this case. This answer shows that you are not a victim here. Can you please roll back to beginning of this project.
Who were you in in contact with repux-joytoken teams. ?
Who is @novatron (Telegram) David Siu (I am not sure his real name is David Siu)
Do you know that same person was the "CEO" (As he introduces himself on Telegram) of both projects?

If a person comes to you and says we are running 2 ICOs same time and going to raise millions of dollars and you are going to be paid upfront and run our bounty campaign. What do you think?.
I am not an idiot person and i will be sure that they are going to scam people.

so in this case David Siu contacted you for 2 ICOs in same time or not? Please tell your long story from beginning.

Ok, we never said we were the victims. The bounty hunters are the ones taking the hit.

David Siu (CEO of Novatron Capital) is real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKosBKBiy_s

He is an advisor for both RepuX and Joytoken but the CEO is a different person. Marcin Welner in the case of RepuX and Andrew MacDonald at Joytoken.

Both projects came to us from the hand of David Siu and at the same time, the onboarding procedure was standard, and at the time there were no signs of what was going to happen afterwards. The projects raised less than expected, largely because of the bear market (that affected many other ICOs at the same time), and at the end of the ICO they decided that the amount allocated was too high to be paid out in full.

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