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Topic: [REQ] Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian section in the "Other Languages" forum. (Read 5670 times)

legendary
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I don't believe in denial.
I have nothing against croatian/bonsian/serbian joint section if the comunity realy supports the idea, but i am going to ask one thing; what happens when some people start writing cyrillic alphabet?
Half of the croatian/bosnian wont be able to read it, and its dumb to have situations like that.

I think its better to leave each country apart, and avoid future problems.
That staff member didnt mean he agrees with having the same section for 3 nationalities, he was referring to croatian section to come from subsection to its own section. (like it is now,his idea was done)

cheers

Notice that they (I'm thinking you mean Serbs) don't use Cyrillic characters even in their own thread.

We're beating a dead horse here people. The decision has been made; a Croatian section has been made, no Serbian or Bosnian nor a combination.

I can live perfectly happy with the idea. As I already said in the Serb section too: weeks can go by without any action there (so no need for a separate section), and Bosnian is even less...

So if you like you (we/all) are welcome to join any discussion that you can read/write the language of... Have fun!

PS. a mod. for the Croatian section would be nice though...  Wink

hero member
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Space Lord
I have nothing against croatian/bonsian/serbian joint section if the comunity realy supports the idea, but i am going to ask one thing; what happens when some people start writing cyrillic alphabet?
Half of the croatian/bosnian wont be able to read it, and its dumb to have situations like that.

I think its better to leave each country apart, and avoid future problems.
That staff member didnt mean he agrees with having the same section for 3 nationalities, he was referring to croatian section to come from subsection to its own section. (like it is now,his idea was done)

cheers

Notice that they (I'm thinking you mean Serbs) don't use Cyrillic characters even in their own thread.
legendary
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I have nothing against croatian/bonsian/serbian joint section if the comunity realy supports the idea, but i am going to ask one thing; what happens when some people start writing cyrillic alphabet?
Half of the croatian/bosnian wont be able to read it, and its dumb to have situations like that.

I think its better to leave each country apart, and avoid future problems.
That staff member didnt mean he agrees with having the same section for 3 nationalities, he was referring to croatian section to come from subsection to its own section. (like it is now,his idea was done)

cheers
legendary
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this is a really good idea i agree with all of this
but i wish that there is a sub section for all 3 languages combined...not only for croatian
also i can help out in those section...but i dont know if anyone wants to candidate me for that place...
hero member
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Space Lord
Did you reach the agreement?

Unfortunately... no. But de facto the Croatian section became more or less the "unofficial" "ex-Yugo" place to meet...  Grin

Somehow like this, yeah... There are people from other countries that post in our Croat section. It's nice Cheesy

And what about the mod?

Seems like nobody gives a damn about this anymore. The board is kinda OK for now, there's not much trash talk. But some threads could use splitting.
legendary
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Terminated.
And what about the mod?

Also... unfortunately... no. But there is (thankfully!) moderation in the sense that if something highly irregular is being reported prompt action is undertaken.
Looks like theymos is busy again or hasn't found a suitable candidate. I do not see a need to rush it though, things aren't out of control yet.
legendary
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I don't believe in denial.
And what about the mod?

Also... unfortunately... no. But there is (thankfully!) moderation in the sense that if something highly irregular is being reported prompt action is undertaken.
staff
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I support freedom of choice
And what about the mod?
legendary
Activity: 2744
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I don't believe in denial.
Did you reach the agreement?

Unfortunately... no. But de facto the Croatian section became more or less the "unofficial" "ex-Yugo" place to meet...  Grin
staff
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I support freedom of choice
Did you reach the agreement?
legendary
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Portuguese board has Brasil and Portugal subforums.
If you think they are similar but different languages, I think the best solution is making alt-boards for Serbian and Bosnian under the Croatian board. I don't see any active Bosnian thread btw.

They are basically the same more than just similar. But that could also work good.


PS: Put ur ref link into ur primedice signature u could get some refs and earn nice from it till pd sig campaign starts again.
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staff
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Portuguese board has Brasil and Portugal subforums.
If you think they are similar but different languages, I think the best solution is making alt-boards for Serbian and Bosnian under the Croatian board. I don't see any active Bosnian thread btw.
legendary
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Respect to Parazyd for suggesting this.

I totally agree we should have all them combined , its the same language .

But i also understand some people will mix politics into this and will be against it.

So, what i suggest is , make a poll and we all vote for combining that three languages into one section or against it.
legendary
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Terminated.
Let's just wait for theymos and see how it resolves.
Indeed. I can't discuss anymore since some people are on the ignore list.  Roll Eyes
Well given the situation, any solution is better than none.
legendary
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It seems that on this issue we can not achieve complete consensus.
If so, let's start poll and check out what others want, and decide based on the results.
Otherwise, we will have here endless discussion here without any final decision.
Second poll we can start about moderator for our subforum.


Let's just wait for theymos and see how it resolves.

OK, I agree with you.
Let's stop this unnecessary discussion.
hero member
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Space Lord
It seems that on this issue we can not achieve complete consensus.
If so, let's start poll and check out what others want, and decide based on the results.
Otherwise, we will have here endless discussion here without any final decision.
Second poll we can start about moderator for our subforum.


Let's just wait for theymos and see how it resolves.
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1824
It seems that on this issue we can not achieve complete consensus.
If so, let's start poll and check out what others want, and decide based on the results.
Otherwise, we will have here endless discussion here without any final decision.
Second poll we can start about moderator for our subforum.
legendary
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Merit: 1150
Freedom&Honor
Seriously?

Yugoslavian language?

These are variations of the same language?



I can better understand a Slovak then an Albanian

All of these languages originate of one language, that is true
But that language is the old-slavic, proto-slavic, that's why on my trip I could communicate with people in Prague and in Bratislava on Croatian when they didn't understand English
If different, please tell me why are our languages simmilar, how do we communicate with these slavic nations that are not "South"?

Yugo means "South", guess they make names for new countries according to the compass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Slavic (since Wikipedia is a credible source..)

Serbian language was first mentioned in the 14th century

Croatian language is first mentioned in 1275. (over 20 times)

Serbo-Croatian was first mentioned in 1836
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Please tell me which language is made up

Admiting wrong? You're talking about that after posting "do not cite" material claiming it as proof?

http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/language-policy/official_languages_hr.htm

Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language?

Consitution of Republic of Croatia, Chapter 12

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U Republici Hrvatskoj u službenoj je uporabi hrvatski jezik i latinično pismo.
Translation: Official language and lettering in Republic of Croatia is Croatian language and latin lettering.

Constitution of Republic of Serbia, Chapter 10
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In Republic of Serbia, official language and lettering is Serbian language and cyrillic.

Now, the most interesting

Bosnia&Herzegovina has 3 constitutional nations (Croats,Serbs and Bosniaks)

As you claim they all speak Serbo-Croatian

well, your wikipedia sad

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Serbo-Croatian Listeni/ˌsɜrboʊ kroʊˈeɪʃən/, also called Serbo-Croat /ˌsɜrboʊ kroʊˈæt/, Serbo-Croat-Bosnian (SCB),[7] or Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS), is a South Slavic language and the primary language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro.

However, in the country where all these nations live, the official language isn't Serbo-Croatian  Huh
How, if that's

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the primary language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro.

Constitution of Federation of Bosnia&Herzegovina, Chapter 6
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Službeni jezici Federacije su bosanski jezik i hrvatski jezik. Službeno pismo je latinica.
Translation: Official languages of the Federation are the Bosnian language and the Croatian language. Official lettering is latin.

Consitution of Republika Srpska (entity of Bosnia&Herzegovina), Chapter 7

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Official languages of Republika Srpska are: the language of the Serbian nation, the language of the Bosniak nation and the language of the Croatian nation. Official lettering is cyrillic and latin.

Interestingly, in Montenegro, in official use there are Serbian,Croatian and Bosnian, however, still, the official language isn't Serbo-Croatian

Montenegrin constitution, Chapter 13

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The Official language in Montenegro is the Montenegrin language.
In official use there are also: Serbian, Bosnian, Albanian and Croatian language.

Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language in any of the countries it's allegedly spoke in? Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language of the EU, since Croatia entered the union and we allegedly speak it?
legendary
Activity: 2674
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AFAIK in Bosnian and Croatian clubs there are often if not mostly Serbian songs. The people don't seem to have an issue with understanding each other/others language. I still don't understand your issue here. American and British English have words that are somewhat different too?

that's not even close!

American English and British English are like Croatian and Bosnian
exactly the same language!
Croatian and Serbian have less then 5% the same words, the thing it's based as "the same" is because the words are simmilar
mleko --> mlijeko etc.

but people from Slovakia speak a simmilar language too, why not let them in the thread too?  Undecided
they at least have the same months as we do among the simmilar words Smiley
Actually you're very wrong. That percentage is made up.
prof. dr Volf Ošlis (was an important man in Germany, not sure about now) stated a few years back that the breakdown on Croatian and Serbian is idiotic. There are just variations of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavian_language thus the same language, he stated. You can find this information easily.
But this is pointless, since you won't admit to being wrong no matter what.

I give up/last post.
~Lauda.
legendary
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Freedom&Honor
AFAIK in Bosnian and Croatian clubs there are often if not mostly Serbian songs. The people don't seem to have an issue with understanding each other/others language. I still don't understand your issue here. American and British English have words that are somewhat different too?

that's not even close!

American English and British English are like Croatian and Bosnian

exactly the same language!

Croatian and Serbian have less then 5% the same words, the thing it's based as "the same" is because the words are simmilar
mleko --> mlijeko etc.

but people from Slovakia speak a simmilar language too, why not let them in the thread too?  Undecided
they at least have the same months as we do among the simmilar words Smiley

If we weren't in the same country for 70 years

we would understand shit between each other, Serbian would be like Czech to us today

I mean, just look at this words

http://hr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Razlikovni_rječnik_hrvatskog_jezika_i_srpskog_jezika

the only reason we know their meaning is 70 years of forced Serbo-Croatian

I find it extremly degrading if our sub-section would be called "Serbo-Croatian"

Our languages are different, it's time to stop trying to put us together

Why don't we have the same sub-section with people from Slovakia?

I can understand them fine too  Undecided
In fact, their most common last name is Horvat Cheesy


seriously?



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you just re-posted wikipedia content

and the other is a slavic center..
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