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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on January 22, 2021, 08:03:58 PM

Seeds are basically proof of randomness in a crypto dice game. It's there to give the players a sense of security that the site you are in is not making a fool out of you by showing that it is provably fair. Now in the case of resetting it. I guess it's just a formality to give the player a false sense of power because whether you change the seed or not wouldn't affect your odds at winning the game.

Changing seed option is there so you can verify your bets. That's actually the only reason. A lot of users think they can change their luck with it but that doens't.

But if they feel it that way, just let them change it when they want. Grin

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on January 22, 2021, 08:03:58 PM

Seeds are basically proof of randomness in a crypto dice game. It's there to give the players a sense of security that the site you are in is not making a fool out of you by showing that it is provably fair. Now in the case of resetting it. I guess it's just a formality to give the player a false sense of power because whether you change the seed or not wouldn't affect your odds at winning the game.

That's true the house edge will always be there, there is no need to reset the seed it's just a way to confirm that you can check the randomness, it works positively for gambling site, it's a reminder for gamblers that they are fair and the seeds are their proof, so far I have not received such request, if there is I just will ignore it.

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Seeds are basically proof of randomness in a crypto dice game. It's there to give the players a sense of security that the site you are in is not making a fool out of you by showing that it is provably fair. Now in the case of resetting it. I guess it's just a formality to give the player a false sense of power because whether you change the seed or not wouldn't affect your odds at winning the game.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on January 17, 2021, 01:57:46 PM

Sorry for posting in this old thread but this reply caught my attention:

Quote from: marlboroza on June 04, 2017, 08:02:01 AM

In some sites every time you want to change client seed you will get new server seed.

If the casino automatically changes the server seed after you cange the client seed then you should not trust them. If they know the client seed beforehand than they can choose a server seed which will produce results in their favor.
To answer op's question, most provably fair system use another variable beside the client seed and server seed to produce the random number, which is the nounce. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether you change your seed or not as it won't increase your chances of winning.
It's just another gambler's fallacy.

"Nonce" you mean?
Well not all provably fair games are using nonces, but I don't understand why you say that using them could prevent from increasing chances of winning?

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Quote from: khaled0111 on January 17, 2021, 01:57:46 PM

Sorry for posting in this old thread but this reply caught my attention:

Quote from: marlboroza on June 04, 2017, 08:02:01 AM

In some sites every time you want to change client seed you will get new server seed.

If the casino automatically changes the server seed after you cange the client seed then you should not trust them. If they know the client seed beforehand than they can choose a server seed which will produce results in their favor.
To answer op's question, most provably fair system use another variable beside the client seed and server seed to produce the random number, which is the nounce. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether you change your seed or not as it won't increase your chances of winning.
It's just another gambler's fallacy.

Well said, it is just a representation to show gamblers that their system is fair functioning and doesn't do any form of manipulation or changes to win. Every trusted gambling sites were provably fair, and the seed used to change automatically. If there happens any error this might not change, and by that time we need to change manually. Thi issue is common and today there is a thread for the same issue caused in Bitsler.

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Sorry for posting in this old thread but this reply caught my attention:

Quote from: marlboroza on June 04, 2017, 08:02:01 AM

In some sites every time you want to change client seed you will get new server seed.

If the casino automatically changes the server seed after you cange the client seed then you should not trust them. If they know the client seed beforehand than they can choose a server seed which will produce results in their favor.
To answer op's question, most provably fair system use another variable beside the client seed and server seed to produce the random number, which is the nounce. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether you change your seed or not as it won't increase your chances of winning.
It's just another gambler's fallacy.

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Quote from: asherlock on June 04, 2017, 01:45:56 AM

So I have been gambling on prime dice for a while and I was wondering what this whole resetting seeds business is. Why do people reset seeds? Is it to increase odds of winning? If so, then how often should I do it?

I tried to find out information regarding seeds and came up with Nada. :/

Why do you need to change seeds? Because you cannot reveal the previous server seed unless you change it and is no longer in use.

I will try and explain in brief how seeds and all these things works.

There is a server seed, client seed and nonce which together determine the result of a roll. So basically client seed is entered by you and nonce is the number of bets you made with the seed. The secret here is the server seed which is not shown to you but its hash is given so that later when the actual server seed is reveled you can verify by hashing it that the seed was correct.

For example the server seed was - primedice - now the casino will give you hash string and SHA being one way-encryption means that you cannot reveal the seed from the hash.

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Quote from: Holyghost11235 on January 12, 2021, 01:21:44 PM

So can anyone explain to me how I can reset or change the seeds at will? I'm new to this and have no idea. Thx.

Which site are you playing at based on that you can see the option to change seeds. Since the OP talked about Primedice I can give you link about that here https://primedice.com/?modal=fairness

You just need to rotate the seed and you will have a new pair of seeds. I honestly don't feel the need to change seeds and verify bets on established and trusted casinos like PD, stake and others but if you are playing at a new casino or one which hasn't had a clean past then it is worth checking and validating your bets.

When I was new to crypto gambling even I was confused, in fact I used to believe it is "probably" fair instead of "provably" fair which was funny because provably was sort of a new word and I haven't heard it anywhere else apart from the crypto community.

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I don't really think that the odds and the probability should actually change when you reset seeds as the guy said how his gambling site told him to do that I really don't know the science behind it.

Plus if changing seeds are changing your chances of winning the bet then I do believe that 90% people won't usually do it and therefore it won't be fair to actually have a better chance for some .

I don't think mathematically anything will change and what is a program? If not mathematics ? I think changing too often would not only be a bother but unnecessary.

Maybe it will just make you more happy or make you trust your bet more.

How can you change a stable mathematical calculation if you can do that then it's for sure not fair.

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Quote from: dre1982 on January 15, 2021, 02:46:53 AM

The only reason is to change seeds is if you want to validate rolls in the previous seed.
Changing seeds doesn't effect your luck. It's the same as changing the roulette wheel. In the end nothing changes.

You are right, sometimes gamblers doesn't understand this but think otherwise, changing or resetting seeds doesn't change anything outside luck indeed. My belief in the past was resetting seeds bring fortune, until i did more researched into that effect that changing seeds or not still solely depends on luck.

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Quote from: newwest on January 16, 2021, 12:43:49 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on January 15, 2021, 02:46:53 AM

The only reason is to change seeds is if you want to validate rolls in the previous seed.

Changing seeds doesn't effect your luck. It's the same as changing the roulette wheel. In the end nothing changes.

Many things in this thread will get clear and only if someone is superstitious or think that their luck is not favouring them might change the seeds as it’s not going to affect really. At the end its your luck which helps you either win the game or lose it. It will not matter whatever seeds you are using to play and people should hopefully not fall into it.

Correct, it only does the players a feeling that the can chance their luck.

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You know what they say...more playing equals more chances to run into some crazy losing streak! Have in mind that I talk about +1 million rolls sessions! So I know some people who use VPS, and they run auto all the time (they say that VPS provide higher speeds, so you can roll a lot faster than with your home internet)... and people who use scripts they can set it up to change the seed automatically after "x number" of rolls or wins.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 15, 2021, 06:25:00 PM

-superstition, as you know gamblers tend to have this trait in their behavior.

I think it's superstition… I tried that, but when you do it manually it's a bit boring and I stopped! For me, it was the same... but maybe it's my wrong choice of risky strategies. Anyway I don't do that anymore, but as I said I know people who have that option marked on their scripts!

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Quote from: dre1982 on January 15, 2021, 02:46:53 AM

The only reason is to change seeds is if you want to validate rolls in the previous seed.

Changing seeds doesn't effect your luck. It's the same as changing the roulette wheel. In the end nothing changes.

Many things in this thread will get clear and only if someone is superstitious or think that their luck is not favouring them might change the seeds as it’s not going to affect really. At the end its your luck which helps you either win the game or lose it. It will not matter whatever seeds you are using to play and people should hopefully not fall into it.

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If the website is done properly do not matter how often you will reset seeds you will end winning 100% less the EDGE house an infinite number of times.

The only reasons that come into my mind are:

-some sort of bug
-superstition, as you know gamblers tend to have this trait in their behavior.

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Quote from: asherlock on June 04, 2017, 01:45:56 AM

So I have been gambling on prime dice for a while and I was wondering what this whole resetting seeds business is. Why do people reset seeds? Is it to increase odds of winning? If so, then how often should I do it?

I tried to find out information regarding seeds and came up with Nada. :/

There are no testimonials or tips that will tell us that by resetting seeds you will have a good chance of winning, you'll still going to get the same results, it's all in the mindset, I from time to time refresh when I'm playing sometimes I won sometimes I lose, it's just my mindset that tells me that refreshing will give me another set or round of opportunity or luck.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on January 15, 2021, 05:25:13 PM

Perhaps this thread has been answered already, locking this thread will perhaps a good idea.

I really don't understand this kind of suggestion, why did you reply if you think the thread should be locked?
Asherlock is free to do what he wants with his threads, he doesn't need your advice on how he has to manage them.

Well, obviously he/she will not because OP was inactive a long time ago and I don't think he will not come back and lock this thread. But perhaps MOD's can do, to avoid posting other members redundant answers that surely become a flood of spam. Have you come up with this idea?
But dont take it personally bro, it does not mean I am against you, everyone here is free to give a suggestion if they dont then, I have nothing to do.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on January 15, 2021, 05:25:13 PM

Perhaps this thread has been answered already, locking this thread will perhaps a good idea.

I really don't understand this kind of suggestion, why did you reply if you think the thread should be locked?
Asherlock is free to do what he wants with his threads, he doesn't need your advice on how he has to manage them.

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Quote from: mindrust on January 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM

Quote from: asherlock on June 04, 2017, 01:45:56 AM

So I have been gambling on prime dice for a while and I was wondering what this whole resetting seeds business is. Why do people reset seeds? Is it to increase odds of winning? If so, then how often should I do it?

I tried to find out information regarding seeds and came up with Nada. :/

Some people are superstitious. They believe their seed was bad and the reason why they have been losing so they get a new seed. If you watch some movies where people play card games sometimes you'll see the player asks for a new deck because he thinks the earlier deck was either cursed or rigged. Exactly the same thing.

Well, I don't think this can be applied to the gambling online business, resetting the seed is a hard process and all client's seeds must be changed, not just only one seed for the sake that he requested a resetting of seed. In every bet or roll dice, it will generate always a new hash seed per user so I don't think there's a reason for resetting the seed.

Perhaps this thread has been answered already, locking this thread will perhaps a good idea.

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Quote from: asherlock on June 04, 2017, 01:45:56 AM

So I have been gambling on prime dice for a while and I was wondering what this whole resetting seeds business is. Why do people reset seeds? Is it to increase odds of winning? If so, then how often should I do it?

I tried to find out information regarding seeds and came up with Nada. :/

Because some people think odds can vary according to the precedent results, so they think they can reset the current odds by resetting the seeds.

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Quote from: asherlock on June 04, 2017, 01:45:56 AM

So I have been gambling on prime dice for a while and I was wondering what this whole resetting seeds business is. Why do people reset seeds? Is it to increase odds of winning? If so, then how often should I do it?

I tried to find out information regarding seeds and came up with Nada. :/

Some people are superstitious. They believe their seed was bad and the reason why they have been losing so they get a new seed. If you watch some movies where people play card games sometimes you'll see the player asks for a new deck because he thinks the earlier deck was either cursed or rigged. Exactly the same thing.

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