Topic: retiring an account in the age of AI (Read 1188 times)

I guessed you don`t consider revolution of Ai highly, the more data you can feed to that Ai with other instruction this is an easy feat for more upcoming Ai & their update, I hope you have heard of GPT 4o or seen those deep fake scams and others scams where Ai is the main tool use for.

Actually the option vapourminer is considering are those where by once the account is retired he can never get the account back even if he choose to return to the forum that means he has to create a new account to join next time.

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@vapourminer I think even if you retire your account and can`t be given any access to the account when you choose to return to the forum again, which will make you have no choice than to create a new account, can also be used by the same Ai, creating an account and maybe having the similar name like vapourminer2, many may believe if the account as the same posting pattern as you except there`s signed a message this might be hard to detect.

I believed lot of people has their format and formation of writing maybe to the regularities they do operate their account and if such person doesn't operates in those sequence then it's total out of original owner, maybe better still when leaving the forum for any reason such person could come make a kind of retiring statement or maybe if coming back in the future then theymos has to lock the account from his ends and when you wished to use the account you can hit him up to give you access back to avoid any further scam or hack from hackers.

The reason of this thread demonstrates that this platform needs to advance from the administrative board by which whoever that wants to retire his account permanently in the forum would raise an emotion and then the forum and administrators like Theymos would interfere in interacting with the respective users on the decision and then the forum developers or engineers may have the administrative approvement to permanently delete the account.
Sometimes, users may want to take some break in the forum which may be required the user to apply for temporary delete of account.
I think this would be better instead of red tagging the account as it may looks aggressive and abused of being a DT member or even unwarranted tags because tagging accounts signifies penalties which such doesn't deserve it.
But if we must have think the other way round, having such members account being disappeared from the forum means the forum will also lost all that post if the user which maybe of help to other members probably in future terms.
So I'd suggest non of legal exiting members as permanently disappearance of accounts should be adopted instead let the account be but the admin should permanently disable any means of the user having access to post or write any such as PM in the forum entirely.
Let the historical posts of such users serve as their legacies and references sake

Yes, something like that is very possible with the current LLM models. If I'm not wrong then a few months ago someone did something like that with Satoshi's posts and created an AI trained model that could somehow mimic the writing style of Satoshi to some extent.

Though, something like that isn't very possible to be perfect on Satoshi's account as Satoshi's posts are limited in number but something like that is possible on someone's account with thousands of posts/threads.

AI is really a big threat especially in way that you considered it and if somehow a hacker hacks someone's account and somehow had trained an AI model on the posts of that user the there's a chance that no one may notice any posting quality difference since AI was trained on actual poster's posts and it could reproduce that posting style to very high extent that no one would be able to see any difference.

AI is a no option for me, because there are alot of criterias and principle that an AI will not follow while creating a comment so leaving a valuable account such as yours in the hands of an AI make it of no less difference as handing over the account to a nob who have no basic knowledge of what is going on and just mimicking others just to fill in comment's.

Also asking DTs to tag the account is not a good option because red tag is red tag it has only one perception which is that the users can not be trusted,  and for a high respected and valuable member like you that have contributed to the forum for a long time ending that way won't be beneficial for future users who may use your work as reference.

Best option in my own opinion is to make a goodbye thread and then sign a message on the account address which should be verified anytime the account come active again in the future, that way you protect both the account and you reputation.

You might be, but we've never bumped into each other (though said land be vast in acreage and population).  But jokes aside, if an old member abandoned his account without changing the password to something impossible to hack or if the forum itself got hacked, the scenario you described not only could happen but most likely would.  That's going to be true as long as members can earn more in signature campaigns with a higher rank--and of course, if the member was green-trusted or otherwise had a positive reputation, anyone taking control of the account could easily use AI to take out a loan or carry out some related scam.

With the way bitcointalk is structured, i.e, having so many people posting just to get paid, the evolution of AI is just scary as hell.  How the hell would anyone know if it was being used to make posts if the inputs were good enough?  Scary and frankly....depressing.


LoyceV is not a bot, and you needn't make such a bloviated disputation about it.  The accusations were always made in jest as far as I know.  Merit-baiting has a very peculiar odor and is easy to detect.

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What does any of that mean?  It's obviously English but I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say.


Um, think of what the red trust comment might say.  It's not going to be "This user scammed me" or anything of the sort.  They'd be messages that state that the member retired the account, and they'd have to be in red so they'd be visible by most members.

I read this 2 minutes after you posted this, but figured I'd respond only now to make me look more human.

Go wash your mouth keyboard with soap! There is no "AI", it's a hype. You know how I know? "AI" companies are hiring instead of firing, and their CEO is human. Nobody with a decent AI would sell it, they'd get very rich from keeping it for themselves while it performs millions of online remote jobs at the same time. If they sell it, it's not an AI. Just a language model.

Believe what you want!


You mean a cyborg?

I have had couple of arguments about you from some of my forum friends when they told me you are an AI. but I never believe because whenever I read your post or conversation, I sense more of human than Ai. AI has limitations to what they said and interact, but your case is different. you are emotional and give a direct feed back to question as human not like Ai that generates alot of online program Grammer. Though you are faster than others in certain way that makes people feel that you are a robot, I think you are fast but uses an AI assistant device that helps to facilitate your activities making you a half human half Ai. but according to one of you post I read, you said that most of the things you do in the forum are kept in your PC and whenever you need it, you bring it fast and people thinks you are an AI. Though I may not have enough evidence in what I am saying, but if others don't believe you are a human I do because whenever I chat with a human I know the communication of how human to human works. Ai is Ai and can never work as a human.

So In summary the best word I can use to describe you is half human haft AI.

Yes thats true, there is no where you can apply for account deletion rather you can delete your own Post just like @synmetric did in the link provided above, but that's not a good one. We can only be remembered by what we have done even when we no longer exists. But deleting useful post is surely a selfish decision that is not good, atleast we should learn from some past heros of the forum. except of course that such person is a shit poster that his contribution doesn't really matter, that will not be seen as anything if his Post where deleted.

deletion isnt what i want. and im not a fan of revisionist history. for better or worse my posts are my posts.. read at your own risk lol

That's not something you can apply for on Bitcointalk. If you're a shitposter or just really really really pissed off you can delete your own posts, but I prefer to be part of Bitcointalk's legacy. How cool would it be if my posts are still online in the far future?

In as much as there are AI that could mimic ones account there are other AI that can detect suspicious activity or mimicking of account. That is if something like that happens.

However, i think the most reliable approach is to apply for complete deletion of account. There will be no account activity and if you search for the user it wont be found.

Ohh gawd  never expected a 1979 novel phrase

Haha, I guess that one's not as obvious as I thought.

It's a reference from Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. It's what the dolphins said in their goodbye message before leaving Earth, and it's now sometimes used as a humorous farewell.

Inform of...??

I really don't think so.

If you are a real owner of one account, you always can come back, do even complicated recovery steps than others, to reclaim your account.

Like satoshi's account, is locked due to security reason, theymos said Satoshi Nakamoto can come back and contact theymos via PGP key and a complicated procedure is available for you and @vapourminer too.

You can decide to recovery your account after abandon it for many years or can start with a new one. You decide but the forum does not prohibit you like if you abandon an account, go proactively asking for locking it, you will never be able to get it back.

Then count me as a tinfoiler, because I think you're thinking clearly.

Yeah, it would be nice if there was an obvious way to "retire" an account. I mean, I know people can do the secret-question-footgun thing, but that one is very non-obvious, and it's semantically inappropriate (it internally marks your account as "possibly compromised").

A cool way to approach this might be to imagine a more generalized feature that would be useful in its own right but that would solve the problem you raised, too. Maybe something like a "Taking a break" feature that lets you specify a date before which your account will remain locked and be prevented from authenticating. It would also be nice if people could see the status/unlock-date from your profile page (and maybe a link to an optionally-left message, too).

To support the permanent-retirement use-case, instead of relying on people to set an impossibly far-off date, I think it would be best if there was some kind of specific thanks-for-all-the-fish mode/checkbox that signifies that we've forever lost another Bitcoin homie.

If you check around in the forum, there's a great anxiety and fear of the unknown about AI. Many people are seeing the possibility of AI comfortably discussing here in the nearest future while a fear doesn't think it will happen. But my fear is in theymos not making any bold rule yet about AI in the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if Vapourminer is afraid of uncertain about AI.

See what merit rascal is saying...

Please stay for long...
VM, you can disappear and after a long time appear again like VoD. This will be nicer than locking your account totally.

Are you thinking of an alt...but in an anonymous way to still view the forum wheen you want .
Not bad though! just place your account on perm. ban since you won't be using it again...but I really wish if there could be a retired position for accounts like yours,that will make a lot of sense tbh

I really cannot see the issue here.
When I leave the forum, I will lock the account and ask they is to perma ban him.
No AI will be ever able to post in my name, and in the case I want to return, I will be forced to use a new one.
Even if I am able to train an IA to post on my behalf, rest assured it is not going to happen.
Yours truly merit rascal will stay bones and flesh for a (long?) time.

lol even after retiring this account i would still lurk here.

however i do not want to leave this account vulnerable to takeover or impersonation. retired means retired.

..or maybe just a tinfoil hat OCD thing.