I hope you don't have any serious illness or something and if you wish to leave the forum, it's for something better and you will venture into something more important for you and your loved ones.
That being said, just like everyone else suggested, it would be much better to create a thread when you decide to leave permanently and ask theymos to lock the account or give it a custom title or something so that even if what you fear happens, those dealing with the account understand that they are not dealing with the original owner of the account, and instead of red tags, there should be neutral tags indicating that the original owner has left the forum permanently and if someone has access to the account, it's either a hacker or an impersonator.
However, I wouldn't want you or any reputable members to leave the forum. It just doesn't feel right, makes me kinda sad as well.
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I think the idea of red tag will leave your account in a ridiculous state, the way people see red tag is just red zone
Maybe there could be an additional signature area which will be permanent once edited I.e can only be done once by the user ( there could be a certain time limit to unlock by a user + once done account becomes inactive forever so it will be a use strict feature...
Just saying this could be done to pose a sig.tag on such account by user so this will show on every post that has been made by such user (E.g (Retired))
Maybe there could be an additional signature area which will be permanent once edited I.e can only be done once by the user ( there could be a certain time limit to unlock by a user + once done account becomes inactive forever so it will be a use strict feature...
Just saying this could be done to pose a sig.tag on such account by user so this will show on every post that has been made by such user (E.g (Retired))
AI usage is increasing day after day, and they are also advancing it in such a way that it's not even possible to detect which write-up is written by AI and which is written by humans with their new humanised AI writing tool.
But that's not enough reason for an account that stands as a role model to others, an account that is respected by others, and information they get from it to be painted red. Just imagine what that will look like. It's not just the profile we are talking about here; it's about legacy too. As one of the oldest active members here in the forum, that won't look good at all from my personal point of view.
A neutral and personal thread announcing one's retirement is the best thing to do for others to take note of in case a hacker tries to impersonate the account.
But that's not enough reason for an account that stands as a role model to others, an account that is respected by others, and information they get from it to be painted red. Just imagine what that will look like. It's not just the profile we are talking about here; it's about legacy too. As one of the oldest active members here in the forum, that won't look good at all from my personal point of view.
A neutral and personal thread announcing one's retirement is the best thing to do for others to take note of in case a hacker tries to impersonate the account.
If I was in your position I won't be red tagging my account as a part to retirement, it's not worth it after saving a reputation for years then have to permit a dent on it at the end. How do we get to explain that to the understanding of new members afterwards.
You should take the recommendations giving above by other members, because red tag always have a stigma in the forum irrespective of the reason it's given whether good or bad, by permission or omission.
You should take the recommendations giving above by other members, because red tag always have a stigma in the forum irrespective of the reason it's given whether good or bad, by permission or omission.
so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.
so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.
Locking the account will be the best option for me. The forum is not just for interaction but it is like an archive or historical information bank. People will keep visiting this forum for many years to learn and also identify reputable members. Some people will not be patient enough to read the reason for these red tags. Immediately they see these red tags they just assume that they were scammers or contributed negatively to the forum. Although I would like to see only green colors in the account of some reputable members a neutral tag might be manageable for security reasons. so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.
I don't support red tagging a particular person who already has a reputation on this forum if he wants to leave this forum. This can be negative for his followers. If a person does not want to be on the Bitcoin forum, he can inform the main administrator to close his account. As Lauda and o_e_l_e_o did. As a result no one will have access to post with AI or impersonate him.
why are you so worried about AI impersonation? is your email compromised? or does anyone else have your password? because if its safe and you wish to retire now you can just log out without anyone noticing until it becomes obvious except you have doubts about your email security or password.
Is know that is worry about the AI is is only try to care about those that use to the AI impersonation, instead to make a post according to their own understanding. Because @vapourminer seeing what is happening about the AI how is cause much problems for some of the users in this forum, and which is why him choose to created a thread about the AI impersonation.Quote
Red tags is a good idea but I don't like to see it on someones profile because the impression it has on this forum member is bad people may not even look at the reason behind the tag but as long as it has red tags the user is considered for some reason a violator etc.
i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done.
but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.
any comments welcome
Fuck all the AI, and KI and whatever else these services are called!but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.
any comments welcome
To be honest i never used any of them.
I would also not like and love to see an Account like yours getting painted red when you leaving the Forum.
As already mentioned , just write to theymos and let your Account be locked and banned.
That would be the best solution when the time for it has come.
so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.
so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.
but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.
any comments welcome
I want to understand your post very well;so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.
but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.
any comments welcome
1. Do you in any way intend leaving the forum? If yes, this is sad. Many old and valuable members are leaving this space and there are no much resourceful new ones to replace them. You are a good merit source that spread merits in 2 even to less recognised forum members in as much as their posts are quality.
2. If someone so reputable leave the forum, members will add neutral tags. It will be a hell for present AI to mimic accurately, but tomorrow there'll be much advancement in artificial intelligence, no one can predict.
It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account
I wouldn't like this either if I ever leave Bitcointalk. Lauda has several tags too, it doesn't make her "legacy" look any better.A neutral tag is enough, because it is not scam. If people are careless and don't care about neutral tag and get scammed by new owners, it's their responsibility, not the actual owner.
If the actual owner is serious to leave the forum, care about the account, he can send a request to theymos or Cyrus, two head admins, to terminate (lock) that account, like Lauda or o_e_l_e_o did. Then nobody can access it to post with AI or whatsoever to mimick the real owner.
Lauda's goodbye, world!
o_e_l_e_o's farewell
so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.
Don't worry, @nutildah has the idea to lock up all those who post with Robot/Al, they will be destroyed here: Topic: AI Spam Report Reference Thread., Real and fake owners are caught very quickly, whatever they do if they are not genuine users, errors will occur and it is easy to find out, your account is safe, even if it has not been operating for a long time here.I am not sure it is possible to eradicate them completely, still, there are at least a hundred of them are using AI to generate posts and spin the words to use AI to human text tools to make it more humane and also short posts are herd to differentiate so with these things are going to get better than the chances of identifying them also might be thinner.
Why saying this is I noticed a lot of posts that I am sure were created with the help of AI but I tested multiple tools to find whether it's created using ChatGPT, GPT4 or other similar tools but all of them says created by a human.
so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.
Don't worry, @nutildah has the idea to lock up all those who post with Robot/Al, they will be destroyed here: Topic: AI Spam Report Reference Thread., Real and fake owners are caught very quickly, whatever they do if they are not genuine users, errors will occur and it is easy to find out, your account is safe, even if it has not been operating for a long time here.The real owner can sign messages, fakes can't do that with verified addresses, Al has weaknesses, so don't worry about your account being compromised, Moreover, only certain accounts use Al, not all of them, let alone your account, just look at them and they have withdrawn, especially if they want to hack.
@Upgrade00, has shown the best way that several members here have ever done.
It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account
I wouldn't like this either if I ever leave Bitcointalk. Lauda has several tags too, it doesn't make her "legacy" look any better. 
I still even think we can differentiate AI from humans, despite the upgrade or expensive integrated algorithms.
AI detector apps will also become upgraded as we know and would be efficient enough to try to detect at least 80% of AI text and inputs in this forum.
On the issue about the retiring of any account, I think what's done and dusted is actually done and dusted, but no amount of red tags could do such unless it's outrightly banned and I suppose unless the managers who have access, can profer a second best opinion, then it's retrievable, but note that there's still going to be restrictions on how AI can perform and function during logins, and if applied to sites like this forum and for personal uses.
AI detector apps will also become upgraded as we know and would be efficient enough to try to detect at least 80% of AI text and inputs in this forum.
On the issue about the retiring of any account, I think what's done and dusted is actually done and dusted, but no amount of red tags could do such unless it's outrightly banned and I suppose unless the managers who have access, can profer a second best opinion, then it's retrievable, but note that there's still going to be restrictions on how AI can perform and function during logins, and if applied to sites like this forum and for personal uses.
It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account, even if the comment suggests it's only as a precautionary action. Neutral tags will be better but even that should not be necessary; theymos can permanently lock an account and it will be impossible for anyone to access it anytime in the future, it was done for Lauda and more recently o_e_l_e_o.
If no one can access the account the risk of AI impersonation will not matter at all.
If no one can access the account the risk of AI impersonation will not matter at all.
It's a long way from being able to do that with an AI, and in the case that it can be done, whoever owns that technology could use it to create hundreds of different accounts that create quality posts and that in about 9 months would be starting to monetize. By then, should that happen, I think the forum would no longer exist or at least not as we know it.
Why not just create a thread in reputation and announce if you will leave the forum? in case you want to comeback, you need to sign a message from your old address. I think these two things are enough to prove someone ownership.
In addition to making a thread in the forum, the suggestion of tagging the account is also great so that the combination of both will render the account useless. I think few persons who left the forum, such as Leo and Lauda, left thread that served the right purpose and till date we have not seen anyone claiming to be them directly or via AI. That to me is a perfect way to go about it unless maybe it happens abruptly, in which case it becomes very difficult to know if such person actually left. But, I hope that you're only asking for curiosity, not have a plan to leave...
The forum needs you, because you're one of few merit sources to fairly distribute your sMerit without looking who post it.
The tone of the post is that of inquiry and not that of decision. I wouldn't want him to leave yet because he has and continues to play important role in the forum. Like you said, he is definitely among the most generous merit sources who visit several boards distributing merits without looking at the ranks of the posters. The forum needs you, because you're one of few merit sources to fairly distribute your sMerit without looking who post it.
why are you so worried about AI impersonation? is your email compromised? or does anyone else have your password? because if its safe and you wish to retire now you can just log out without anyone noticing until it becomes obvious except you have doubts about your email security or password.
Red tags is a good idea but I don't like to see it on someones profile because the impression it has on this forum member is bad people may not even look at the reason behind the tag but as long as it has red tags the user is considered for some reason a violator etc.
Red tags is a good idea but I don't like to see it on someones profile because the impression it has on this forum member is bad people may not even look at the reason behind the tag but as long as it has red tags the user is considered for some reason a violator etc.
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so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.
The forum has some better options already.
Option one is to set 2FA and ask theymos to ban your account same as Satoshi, Lauda, and o_e_l_e_o accounts.
Option two is, to create a thread in the reputation section and sign a message from your Bitcoin wallet and this should work as well. You can use PGP messages as well if you want. I would ask someone to use red tag the account as a last option.
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but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.
I have the same feelings as others, no matter how well they trained. If they get access to your account somehow and continue to use your account, they will get caught at some point. But, I want to hope that you won't leave the forum unless it's extremely necessary. 
No matter how well they try to train the AI to communicate like a member, it's definitely not going to generate 100% perfection in how the person posts; it's easy to differentiate such posts from how the original person usually posts.
I have read a post somewhere where a user tried to train AI to post like a particular user. I guess it was to post like "Franky1," but the result came out negative. Can't locate the thread link for now.
I believe it's not 100% positive to impersonate someone; it will always be noticeable, especially for an account that has gained a reputation on the forum, and users can easily tell how the person communicates.
I have read a post somewhere where a user tried to train AI to post like a particular user. I guess it was to post like "Franky1," but the result came out negative. Can't locate the thread link for now.
I believe it's not 100% positive to impersonate someone; it will always be noticeable, especially for an account that has gained a reputation on the forum, and users can easily tell how the person communicates.
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