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Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Some crypto casinos really get creative when it comes to allowing you to withdraw bonuses. The terms are so restrictive it's almost impossible.

They may give you a bonus, let's say in the form of free spins... And then your free spins may end up netting you 20$ in winnings. Well,.you will find out that free spins are limited to up to 5$ per giveaway of free spins... And then you at least have 5$ right? Well, no! You still have to fulfill a wagger limits. And your 5$ had to be staggered at least to a gross turnover of $300! That's 60x... And not only that, you can only wagger on a selection of slot games and nothing else. If the wagering could be done on dice or something with low house edge, whatever. But they really really don't want you to win anything by forcing you to play slots with 5$.

Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino. Bonuses don't have to be huge when you're forced to lose everything. Just give a few cents and might as well keep it simple and give nothing. Right?

Correct.
If we read the requirements more attentively, we can find all these restrictions, but i don`t want to search it. I want to get easy terms like - i deposit $100, get $10 free spins, everything i`ve got - i can withdraw any moment.
I can`t say that i don`t use such casinos, but i stopped hunting bonuses and ignore games, i don`t interest in. If i got free spins - i could spend it and, may be, play several games for money. Now i don`t care how many free spins i have - i willn`t spent even penny for such games.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 17, 2024, 03:23:54 AM

I dont get why people complain over bonuses and competitions. No one forces anyone to participate or take them. Just pass and gamble how you like. Casino or any other business is not a charity. Their goal is to earn, but not to give something for free. Consider bonus as a challenge for those who are bored with regular gambling.

Everyone should know that gambling sites are doing no promotions for no reason than to look for customers to enjoy gambling on their site and lose more money to them (the gambling site). I think this is no-brainer but some people still do not understand.

Quote from: TopTort777 on December 17, 2024, 03:23:54 AM

In fact, bonuses were better, bigger and easier to get in past. But army of bonus hunters, milked industry so hard, that casinos have to make bonuses more challenging today. That is why instead of complaining how ridiculous bonuses are, say thank you to bonus hunters.

There are still some gambling sites that give bonus, but I noticed it is no more common on bitcoin and other crypto gambling sites as it was in 3 or more years ago, especially as those sites giving the bonuses become older and reputed. As more people are using them, they have the traffic already and decided to limit the promotional offers.

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I dont get why people complain over bonuses and competitions. No one forces anyone to participate or take them. Just pass and gamble how you like. Casino or any other business is not a charity. Their goal is to earn, but not to give something for free. Consider bonus as a challenge for those who are bored with regular gambling.

In fact, bonuses were better, bigger and easier to get in past. But army of bonus hunters, milked industry so hard, that casinos have to make bonuses more challenging today. That is why instead of complaining how ridiculous bonuses are, say thank you to bonus hunters.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Some crypto casinos really get creative when it comes to allowing you to withdraw bonuses. The terms are so restrictive it's almost impossible.

If we asked in this thread how many people can meet these bonus requirements, we would see that perhaps the number of people would not exceed 10. In my opinion, many casinos when they place these high requirements are sending the following message: "we are giving you a bonus because if we didn't place them you wouldn't use the casino, but you won't be able to withdraw this bonus". The casinos know very well that the few people who manage to profit from the casinos, take the money they won and continue playing. So even if the casinos offered $5 in spins with no requirements, most people would play with the $5 and lose everything.

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Quote from: Poker Player on December 17, 2024, 12:43:11 AM

That is why I usually ignore bonuses. I'm not clear if in the crypto world the terms are more difficult to meet than in fiat rooms, although from cases I've seen on the forum, like that X60 wagering requirements that the OP cites I'd say yes. Normally the bonuses give the illusion of giving you an advantage but end up giving more profit to the house, one way or another.

Actually bonuses are good tool in the hands of the casinos, most especially it helps them to give the gambler imaginary money as bonuses then force them to wager the bonus+balance and if luck is on your side you win against the house neet up with the X wager conditions, then you can withdraw, I avoid any bonus conditions that is above 1x because at that point if anything above that 1x-5x wagering requirements it out of my bound I avoid them. In simple terms, bonuses are traps to get the player down on the casino the gives you the bonus you have to spend it on the house, slot players understand this more because their are always chasing the bonuses.

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Normal wagering requirement for such a bonus is between 30x-40x, so if you find bigger wagering requirement, better to avoid it and I can agree that it is ridiculous wagering requirement. While other requirement such as limited slot games which contribute towards wagering requirement is normal, non-slot games may contribute but with less percentage (under 10%). This is simply because bonuses are designed not to make players get more chance to make profit, it gives some more balance only but the bigger balance we get from the bonus means that the higher amount we need to wager in order to unlock withdrawal.

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Its not a mistery that in some cases you must avoid bonus in casinos.
It's not matter of "illusion" or something else. You must choose your bonus according your gambling style. You must not change it.
Of course they are not giving free money. Planning how to fullful requirements and optimizing outcome it should be also an important step if you want achieve the maximum from the free chance.

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That is why I usually ignore bonuses. I'm not clear if in the crypto world the terms are more difficult to meet than in fiat rooms, although from cases I've seen on the forum, like that X60 wagering requirements that the OP cites I'd say yes. Normally the bonuses give the illusion of giving you an advantage but end up giving more profit to the house, one way or another.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

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Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino. Bonuses don't have to be huge when you're forced to lose everything. Just give a few cents and might as well keep it simple and give nothing. Right?

Well, some casinos have really ridiculous bonus terms... I think it's not the issue in rollover (at least not for me), but it's funny when they have limits on max win, max withdrawal, just specific slots available for playing, asking for an extra deposit before we can withdraw. As I remember bonuses before were simple, they give us bonus money we have to play & wager and that's it, fair and square. Now some casinos are using tricks and I feel like we have to risk a lot more and if we get lucky (and that doesn't always happen in slots) we will not get the prizes.

So, it's definitely important to read the ToS before deciding to play with bonus...

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Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:32:30 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on December 16, 2024, 03:25:39 PM

Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino.

I do not understand this at all. If a casino gives you deposit bonus, you can not be able to withdraw the deposit bonus until you follow the rules and you win. So if a casino give you a deposit bonus, you will still follow rules like multiply the money 2 or 3 times or more before you will be able to withdraw any money on the casino.

Well, that's the thing. When the terms for something as simple as free spins are so convoluted like having to do 60x to withdraw some pennies, why should I trust them with a type of bonus that could keep my money bound to a wagering requitement that may be equally ridiculous?

When things aren't kept simple I'll either have to spend more time reading rules than playing or just avoid these shady promos altogether. I don't know why do many casinos these days and she follow the latter.

I understand the frustration that you are pointing out but this is how it has worked for a long time now. The freebies aren't meant to get out, they want to stay inside the online casino and be used to gamble more. I always think of the freebies as fake money, you won't be able to withdraw it but you can play with it. With that kind of idea, I am avoiding the frustration that I will receive even if it wins or loses because I know there's a wagering requirement glued into it even if I win like x10 of the amount that was given which I doubt could happen.
It's our choice if we don't want it or not, it's just there as an invitational promotion and not really as a charity that we can withdraw once we get it.

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So it seems that there were already topics about the tricks when withdrawing bonuses in which this was discussed. If you are not an avid player, then the bonus will not bring you any benefit, so you do not need to use it. An avid player would have played with or without a bonus anyway. The bonus may not benefit him either, but it won't hurt either. The bonus can be perceived as a marketing campaign to attract new players, and not as a gift. There are too many difficult conditions inside such a gift.

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I think the bonus would be higher if some strings were attached to it, such as the amount of wagers you need to fulfill to get the best results for their promo. I don’t think it is good, but it’s just their way of giving back to members.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 16, 2024, 03:25:39 PM

Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino.

I do not understand this at all. If a casino gives you deposit bonus, you can not be able to withdraw the deposit bonus until you follow the rules and you win. So if a casino give you a deposit bonus, you will still follow rules like multiply the money 2 or 3 times or more before you will be able to withdraw any money on the casino.

I have reread it many times to understand what the OP said, I still don't understand it even though I have read it many times and understood it, I understand better what you said that when the casino gives a deposit bonus, usually we can't withdraw it directly because there are new rules such as the minimum withdrawal amount being twice the general rules.
But when we make a deposit, does the bonus just go straight in and we have to follow the available requirements, because I myself choose not to take the bonus because the rules usually make everything more complicated.

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Yes, you are right because I also not have a big intention with the bonuses and only want to use a normal things. Bonus can be interesting to get but we must make sure that we know how the rules works so we don't think that the casino trick us because we don't know anything.

But we know gamblers can be greedy to chase the bonus and will do anything to get their money. They will not thinks that the requirements will be too high for them but they will trying to get it by keep playing.

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Which casino you played?

In my experience, I have never had this kind requirement where they ask you to complete rollover with free spins limit. Most of them are asking to complete rollover with the free spins I won and they give limited time to complete it, like 2 weeks.

They didn't limit the games I played, but if they ask for 2 weeks, then I have limit to betting on sports.

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In my opinion, almost all casinos or gambling sites that I use are always like that, they will give bonuses and can enter your account if all the requirements are met but if you calculate it, it is not worth it because we lose more money even though in slot game there will be certain return.
If you don't like it, it better not to finish it and just forget about the bonus, after all, bonuses are also intended for those who can lose their money, bonuses like that always make it difficult if we don't prepare more money and gambling sites also don't want to lose more money for the bonuses they give to customers.

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First, Casino is a business and they expect profit so the rules in the bonus or free spins that are distributed are common, no casino gives a bonus without wager requirement.
Second, the case you mentioned is very rare for me to hear and 60x wager is too high.
Third, players should read every rule of the bonus first if it is considered unreasonable then play normally without ever claiming the bonus.

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It's been that way for quite some time, and they could add more restrictions in the future once they frequently see gamblers winning with these bonuses.

Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino. Bonuses don't have to be huge when you're forced to lose everything. Just give a few cents and might as well keep it simple and give nothing. Right?

The wagering requirement alone is one of the reasons why I don't opt for these bonuses, there's no need to make your gambling session harder in exchange for a bankroll boost or extra spins that would lock your funds and require thousands of spins to clear.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Some crypto casinos really get creative when it comes to allowing you to withdraw bonuses. The terms are so restrictive it's almost impossible.

They may give you a bonus, let's say in the form of free spins... And then your free spins may end up netting you 20$ in winnings. Well,.you will find out that free spins are limited to up to 5$ per giveaway of free spins... And then you at least have 5$ right? Well, no! You still have to fulfill a wagger limits. And your 5$ had to be staggered at least to a gross turnover of $300! That's 60x... And not only that, you can only wagger on a selection of slot games and nothing else. If the wagering could be done on dice or something with low house edge, whatever. But they really really don't want you to win anything by forcing you to play slots with 5$.

Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino. Bonuses don't have to be huge when you're forced to lose everything. Just give a few cents and might as well keep it simple and give nothing. Right?

Lol op this thread seem a bit funny to me. You're on point mate, this is what most casinos do just to get their their bettors started with the mood of wanting to gamble with their real funds. I've come across some unspeakable wager requirement of casinos all with the purpose of making withdrawal frustrating to the bettor, I don't know about others but this gets me irritated of the casino. There was a casino I gambled on, with real funds and I literally saw the withdrawal amount adjusted due to the amount I have in the casino. I left so cheated and just had to wager all my funds irresponsibly, which lead to losses. I they just lost a bettor, because I'm never using their service anymore.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:32:30 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on December 16, 2024, 03:25:39 PM

Quote from: alani123 on December 16, 2024, 03:16:55 PM

Anyway. When I see something like this for free spins I'll be sure to never use any deposit bonus in such casino.

I do not understand this at all. If a casino gives you deposit bonus, you can not be able to withdraw the deposit bonus until you follow the rules and you win. So if a casino give you a deposit bonus, you will still follow rules like multiply the money 2 or 3 times or more before you will be able to withdraw any money on the casino.

Well, that's the thing. When the terms for something as simple as free spins are so convoluted like having to do 60x to withdraw some pennies, why should I trust them with a type of bonus that could keep my money bound to a wagering requitement that may be equally ridiculous?

When things aren't kept simple I'll either have to spend more time reading rules than playing or just avoid these shady promos altogether. I don't know why do many casinos these days and she follow the latter.

I think one of the reasons is indeed that some players try to take advantage of those bonuses, for example with multi accounts. They should have more favorable terms for players who went through KYC. Otherwise I can understand that they are undergoing massive risks because of potential abuses.

Via those terms they can literally nullify all the bonuses they are offering and since you have now brought up slot machines and these crazy rollover requirements, it is definitely not possible most of the time unless you hit a jackpot or something.

But if I understand you correctly, if you have a $5 free spin, then winnings from that free spin are also limited to $5? What if you win $100 with that free spin, would you then have to wager $6000 with those $100 in winnings while you are still limited to $5 per spin?

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