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December 11, 2013, 02:46:30 AM
#74
There's a really simple solution to all of this called "options" with an exercise date at least one year after the coin is released. This would eliminate ALL pump n dump crap coins.

Hi Joe_Bauers, sorry for my naivety of economics but I'd love a layman's explanation of this.

A dev would be able to allocate a small amount of coins upon creation, but they would't be able to spend them for a specified period of time - say 1 year. This way, the dev would have a vested interest in the coin. I suppose really this is more similar to a bond.

True (call) options also have to be above a certain value (strike price) on the exercise date to be redeemed. This could also be incorporated into a coin, though not as easily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_(finance)

Better yet, have some kind of parallel mine, but no premine.  In other words, the development team would start with nothing, but share 5% of the reward coins generated.  If 500 coins are produced in a day, each of five developer, advocate will get five coins sent to their address out of 25 total.  With their benefit being based entirely on the long term value and viability of the altcoin, they would have every incentive to maintain a higher, stable value.  If the altcoin eventually builds a $10 million market cap, each one would have $100k worth of their own coins, but only after working to build that kind of value.
sr. member
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December 10, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
#73
By reading the thread, someone seem like the premined coins, that's good enough... I will create one premined and see how it goes  Grin
good luck to your coin, what's the name by the way? Grin
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December 10, 2013, 06:40:04 PM
#72
By reading the thread, someone seem like the premined coins, that's good enough... I will create one premined and see how it goes  Grin
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GCVMMWH
December 10, 2013, 06:16:06 PM
#71
There's a really simple solution to all of this called "options" with an exercise date at least one year after the coin is released. This would eliminate ALL pump n dump crap coins.

Hi Joe_Bauers, sorry for my naivety of economics but I'd love a layman's explanation of this.

A dev would be able to allocate a small amount of coins upon creation, but they would't be able to spend them for a specified period of time - say 1 year. This way, the dev would have a vested interest in the coin. I suppose really this is more similar to a bond.

True (call) options also have to be above a certain value (strike price) on the exercise date to be redeemed. This could also be incorporated into a coin, though not as easily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_(finance)
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December 10, 2013, 05:43:32 PM
#70
It's no problem to release whatever coins you want, but intentional hide, cheat, and mislead people on the facts of the coins are bad. Premine whatever you want, say it straight, and let people decide what to mine.

trying to hide huge premines, and fool people, will be backfired once revealed. Premine 5% and say 2%, I am not surprised by it, as ADT is released by a dishonest guy.

Whether ADT was released by a dishonest guy or not, it is clearly not backfiring. The price just passed 100, and that is against LTC @ $35.

It is supposedly getting listed on one of the big Chinese exchanges, too (or so I read).

I like ADT, I like the name, the idea of the coin, the large amount you buy. So congratulations to the Dev for creating something that I find amusing.

I made some money from it just now, only about $1000, but great for me.

The premine thing is a bit or a red herring in my eyes. Fair enough when someone does 66% (as in ORB), but is 5% really that bad? It is not as though he is passing off crap to starving babies for a profit. All the coins are effectively for speculation, with very few having any use value other than selling to another person, who sells to another person, etc. The Grand Pyramid of Albania.

But we all know this is the game, right? We speculate, and to win it must be at someone else's expense.

(no personal offence intended to OP).

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Owlmeister
December 10, 2013, 05:09:22 PM
#69
There's a really simple solution to all of this called "options" with an exercise date at least one year after the coin is released. This would eliminate ALL pump n dump crap coins.

Hi Joe_Bauers, sorry for my naivety of economics but I'd love a layman's explanation of this.
newbie
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December 10, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
#68
It's not out yet, but 10% of all curecoins minted will go straight to the devs.  (45% miners, 45% folders, 10% devs)
Meh why not, I like the concept.
newbie
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December 10, 2013, 04:07:44 PM
#67
NXT - 100% premine.
And no problem - everybody want to buy that coins ))

Really? Could you give me 3 reasons why I should buy NXT? Thanks.
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December 10, 2013, 03:42:17 PM
#66
I found a tutorial for creating alt coins, and I will create one, premined of course... let's premine (20% + 5%)/2 = 12.5%, of course remember that this is for dev, bounty etc, and please don't get me wrong  Grin

Don't say premine 12.5% is too high, as you know, many are higher   Roll Eyes
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December 10, 2013, 01:40:50 PM
#65
It's not out yet, but 10% of all curecoins minted will go straight to the devs.  (45% miners, 45% folders, 10% devs)
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GCVMMWH
December 10, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
#64
There's a really simple solution to all of this called "options" with an exercise date at least one year after the coin is released. This would eliminate ALL pump n dump crap coins.

only if dev is less greedy and willing to do it Grin

It's up to the community to not support coins in the future that don't apply this incredibly simple concept.

What's happening now is no different than if Steve Jobs (or insert any CEO) sold all of his stock in AAPL within the first week after the company went public. Hint: Apple would no longer be trading on any exchange or even be around if that happened Wink
sr. member
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December 10, 2013, 01:18:41 PM
#63
There's a really simple solution to all of this called "options" with an exercise date at least one year after the coin is released. This would eliminate ALL pump n dump crap coins.

only if dev is less greedy and willing to do it Grin

GLB is ingenious, 20% premine under "tax", wtf
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GCVMMWH
December 10, 2013, 11:24:44 AM
#62
There's a really simple solution to all of this called "options" with an exercise date at least one year after the coin is released. This would eliminate ALL pump n dump crap coins.
legendary
Activity: 1008
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December 10, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
#61
any kit to create a coin? I want create a premined one too   Wink

Ask this guy. Roll Eyes https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fuddad-by-muddafudda-352830

He's really good at setting up alts with premines and likely responsible for half the junk scam coins out there.

Wonder if that name is connected to a business do we have a defamation case.
legendary
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All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
December 10, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
#60
any kit to create a coin? I want create a premined one too   Wink

Ask this guy. Roll Eyes https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fuddad-by-muddafudda-352830

He's really good at setting up alts with premines and likely responsible for half the junk scam coins out there.
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legendary
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December 10, 2013, 04:53:09 AM
#58
Copperbarz pre mined 10,000 blocks before public release
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NXT is the future
December 10, 2013, 04:29:32 AM
#57
NXT - 100% premine.
And no problem - everybody want to buy that coins ))

NOT premined, shares dustributed to early investors. big difference
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December 10, 2013, 04:28:10 AM
#56
NXT - 1 billion coins (100%) premined. 1 Million NXT now sells (they say so with their dozen accounts) for 10 BTC. wtf  Grin
sr. member
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December 10, 2013, 03:46:46 AM
#55
any kit to create a coin? I want create a premined one too   Wink
Do a search, you should find at least 2 tutorials
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