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May 26, 2013, 07:03:48 PM
#48
I love these guys who just repeat over and over again how Ripple is a scam, yet don't have the balls or the intellect to back up their parroting with an argument. It is my understanding there were a lot of those in the early days of Bitcoin.

It's quite simple, Ripple takes the brilliant idea of bitcoin and removes the brilliant part while calling it something new.

Instead of keeping it decentralized, to avoid one group taking control and dictating to everyone else, it centralizes the whole process for the advantage of the few(Ripple's devs and it's financial backers).   This is 100% against what Bitcoin is about, and one of the many reasons why so many dislike Ripple.

What makes it a "scam", is that it claims to want to coexist with Bitcoin while at the same time working towards replacing it.  You said it yourself in a reply earlier

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I see Bitcoin as the ultimate store of value so long as the network continues to grow. In terms of global ubiquity as a payment standard, there is some serious heavy lifting needed, heavy-lifting that is in a sense already being done/has been done by Ripple devs.

You're not "replacing bitcoin", you're only replacing a large portion of what makes Bitcoin valuable(its ability to be used as a medium of exchange).  If you can't see how that IS effectively trying to replace Bitcoin then I don't know how Im going to convince you.

I thought that bitcoin was just about double spending prevention cost erasing.... Ripple do that too isn't ? I'm not sure that the "bictoin idea" is about being decentralized....I think it's about improving payment system resolving smartly and costless  the double spending problem...
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 26, 2013, 01:44:24 PM
#47
Without the source all of their claims of how ripple works, total premine XRP, and its supposed decentralized nature are all but unproven claims. Otherwise bullshit.

source code?
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May 26, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
#46

XRP, is a utility of the ripple network. 1 XRP is the fee for roughly 10-100k ledger entries.

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You can use ripple without needing to pay for XRP, just get some from the giveaway or ask somebody for a couple of hundred and you'll have enough for a lifetimes normal use of ripple without worrying about XRP the currency.


What would you estimate the value of XRP to be if every transaction in the world was happening in the Ripple ledger?

Is part of the reason there are so many XRP (100B) to fill the need of billions of people each needing free lifetime XRP balance for transactions? Since we don't know exactly what the fee will be, I suppose it's also generally important to have a vast supply of XRP.

Do we need a new word to describe XRP? It's not a hard money, like BTC or Gold, and it's not a fiat currency. It's a new sort of currency that was born out of a necessity in a system. Necessary network currency, NNC?
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May 22, 2013, 03:47:18 AM
#45
what is the point of having centralised currency, I thought the plan was to move away from this
Exactly my thoughts; Ripple currency is bitcoin without everything that makes bitcoin great. Whether you'd call it a scam or not, it's pretty much not the way I want currency to go.

1) Ripple is a decentralized clearance system which facilitates the transfer of money from one entity to another. It compliments bitcoin and other currencies.

2) XRP, is a utility of the ripple network. 1 XRP is the fee for roughly 10-100k ledger entries. Each fee is destroyed, reducing the overall amount of XRP in existence.

Thus, if (1) succeeds and gains significant adoption (it's certainly growing) then you can calculate the long term value of 1 XRP as being the USD value you'd associate with 10-100k transactions / ripple ledger entries.

I personally hold multiple currencies, BTC and XRP are just two of them.

You can use ripple without needing to pay for XRP, just get some from the giveaway or ask somebody for a couple of hundred and you'll have enough for a lifetimes normal use of ripple without worrying about XRP the currency.
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May 22, 2013, 03:38:19 AM
#44
My suggestion is that anyone why starts a Ripple thread here should be added to your ignore list, just like I have added TheSwede75
Are you ignoring him because he's anti-Ripple, or just because he's an idiot?
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May 22, 2013, 01:49:41 AM
#43
Ripple is so open compared to Bitcoin.

Don't you have somewhere else to be other than this forum? Surely you must.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ripple-trying-to-take-over-the-bitcoin-discussion-thread-211325

My suggestion is that anyone why starts a Ripple thread here should be added to your ignore list, just like I have added TheSwede75
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Martijn Meijering
May 22, 2013, 01:38:43 AM
#42
People are interested in it because they believe OpenCoin will release the source as they have said they would. I doubt they will get people to pay very much for XRP before the code is released.
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May 21, 2013, 06:02:08 PM
#41
what is the point of having centralised currency, I thought the plan was to move away from this
Exactly my thoughts; Ripple currency is bitcoin without everything that makes bitcoin great. Whether you'd call it a scam or not, it's pretty much not the way I want currency to go.
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May 21, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
#40
My opinion. Ripple is not a scam but it is a start up which will fail badly. That's what my intuition says. Anyhow, I have 2500 xrp which i bought
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May 21, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
#39
"Instead of trying to change governments with a useless vote, or pathetic pleading, we merely abandon the government's powerbase - the power derived from control of exchange and currency." - Eric voorhees

I am a libertarian.

Sounds very SEK3
+1  Cool
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May 21, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
#38
Do you think if Ripple is successful it will speed up or slow down a global fiat collapse?

I have no opinion either way: I simply don't know. The same goes for the entire movement of Bitcoin and crypto-currencies in general, I believe they will replace fiat currencies almost completely, I just have no way of knowing whether it will take five years of five thousand. I can tell you which one I prefer Smiley
I'm not exactly an anarchist, but it raises my ire how the machinations of the state stifle innovation. There should be somewhere on the ballot where you can vote for freedom and innovation.

"Instead of trying to change governments with a useless vote, or pathetic pleading, we merely abandon the government's powerbase - the power derived from control of exchange and currency." - Eric voorhees

I am a libertarian.

meanwhile at mtgox...
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May 21, 2013, 05:32:22 PM
#37
Do you think if Ripple is successful it will speed up or slow down a global fiat collapse?

I have no opinion either way: I simply don't know. The same goes for the entire movement of Bitcoin and crypto-currencies in general, I believe they will replace fiat currencies almost completely, I just have no way of knowing whether it will take five years of five thousand. I can tell you which one I prefer Smiley
I'm not exactly an anarchist, but it raises my ire how the machinations of the state stifle innovation. There should be somewhere on the ballot where you can vote for freedom and innovation.

"Instead of trying to change governments with a useless vote, or pathetic pleading, we merely abandon the government's powerbase - the power derived from control of exchange and currency." - Eric voorhees

I am a libertarian.
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May 21, 2013, 05:26:36 PM
#36
Do you think if Ripple is successful it will speed up or slow down a global fiat collapse?

I have no opinion either way: I simply don't know. The same goes for the entire movement of Bitcoin and crypto-currencies in general, I believe they will replace fiat currencies almost completely, I just have no way of knowing whether it will take five years of five thousand. I can tell you which one I prefer Smiley
I'm not exactly an anarchist, but it raises my ire how the machinations of the state stifle innovation. There should be somewhere on the ballot where you can vote for freedom and innovation.
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May 21, 2013, 05:17:28 PM
#35
Do you think if Ripple is successful it will speed up or slow down a global fiat collapse?

I have no opinion either way: I simply don't know. The same goes for the entire movement of Bitcoin and crypto-currencies in general, I believe they will replace fiat currencies almost completely, I just have no way of knowing whether it will take five years of five thousand. I can tell you which one I prefer Smiley
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May 21, 2013, 05:16:56 PM
#34
I said it was as much a scam as fiat. Either both or neither are a scam. The part that can be interpreted as a scam is that many people are too stupid to understand this is not in their interest.

no Fiat = state controlled monopoly  

this is a voluntary service in the market ... aka private that people can choose to use.



That's your opinion. I think it's the world's biggest Ponzi scam (closely followed by European pension funds). I'm quite intelligent and I didn't figure out the extend to which they screw us until two years ago. No  people I know (which is an above average crowd) have any idea how using fiat is like imposing a huge tax on yourself (I wanted use more colourful language here Wink).

That's not an opinion ... its a fact Ripple cannot use state force to force or prevent market entries.


Once it becomes generally accepted that ripple IOUs are legally binding contracts that will not even be necessary. Till then it's up to the participants to utilize their rights under the law.
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May 21, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
#33
Do you think if Ripple is successful it will speed up or slow down a global fiat collapse?
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May 21, 2013, 05:14:41 PM
#32
I said it was as much a scam as fiat. Either both or neither are a scam. The part that can be interpreted as a scam is that many people are too stupid to understand this is not in their interest.

no Fiat = state controlled monopoly 

this is a voluntary service in the market ... aka private that people can choose to use.



That's your opinion. I think it's the world's biggest Ponzi scam (closely followed by European pension funds). I'm quite intelligent and I didn't figure out the extend to which they screw us until two years ago. No  people I know (which is an above average crowd) have any idea how using fiat is like imposing a huge tax on yourself (I wanted use more colourful language here Wink).

That's not an opinion ... its a fact Ripple cannot use state force to force or prevent market entries.
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May 21, 2013, 05:12:41 PM
#31
what is the point of having centralised currency, I thought the plan was to move away from this

Can Ripple prevent new market entries through legal fiction? no
Can a state? yes

The goal is to move away from a state currency or fiat currency where monopolistic power of the few decides for the many. Ripple is a private entry with a product but they cannot initiate force to make people use their currency or stop new market entries from attempting to offer a solution like a state pointing guns can.

Whether a solution comes from private group of people or open source collaboration..... the market (aka us) will pick which is the best.
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May 21, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
#30
I said it was as much a scam as fiat. Either both or neither are a scam. The part that can be interpreted as a scam is that many people are too stupid to understand this is not in their interest.

no Fiat = state controlled monopoly 

this is a voluntary service in the market ... aka private that people can choose to use.



That's your opinion. I think it's the world's biggest Ponzi scam (closely followed by European pension funds). I'm quite intelligent and I didn't figure out the extend to which they screw us until two years ago. No  people I know (which is an above average crowd) have any idea how using fiat is like imposing a huge tax on yourself (I wanted use more colourful language here Wink).
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May 21, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
#29
what is the point of having centralised currency, I thought the plan was to move away from this
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