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Quote from: Aivaryamal on January 10, 2019, 08:47:46 PM

I recommend using both strategies for trading to allocate about 20-30% of its capital, and the rest of the holding and periodically fix profit

If you are going to trade it is better to do it with all your capital, I say this because if your capital is small to begin with the commission that you need to pay exchanges and the fees you need to pay to the network could become a burden so it is better to use all your capital under those circumstances so the costs when it comes to the percentage goes down and you can become profitable.

After all becoming a profitable trader is already hard enough and you do not want to put even more obstacles in your journey since the market participants do not like the idea of yet another profitable trader in their ranks since that means in average that they will get less profits in each of their trades.

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Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

and the risk of holding can be much smaller and far greater depending on the patience you have, if you have long-term then
sure you have extra patience, don't let you sell at a low price because you can't wait

well, basically we wait for a very high price, and we don't know how long that will happen. therefore patience is very risky when you need money, and sell it at a low price. however, when you hold a coin, you must have a strategy that is able to cover the shortcomings when the price drops, and when you need money.

Like I said, you need a plan and the plan contains financial management that you make, what is the right allocation of funds to invest, back up funds, and finance for daily needs, so that you will not be confuse between holding back and paying for needs

Make proper plan that you will hold until then and you will spend that but the best is not to spend anything because we can fulfil our needs with some other kind of paper money but font waste your saving in this regard. I am Holding because I did not find any risk in holding but my trading strategy is to trade for long term.

Well i believe that it was amazing if we can hold our asset for a long term because it is really profitable if we can wait for the right time to sell, but sad to say that only few people has a courage to hold asset for a very long term in holding. Some are really not holding for too long to gain the same amount of profit, we don't really know when the price rise or fall so I believe that we cannot blame everyone if they sell thier asset in times of thier needs or if they wanted.

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Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

and the risk of holding can be much smaller and far greater depending on the patience you have, if you have long-term then
sure you have extra patience, don't let you sell at a low price because you can't wait

well, basically we wait for a very high price, and we don't know how long that will happen. therefore patience is very risky when you need money, and sell it at a low price. however, when you hold a coin, you must have a strategy that is able to cover the shortcomings when the price drops, and when you need money.

Like I said, you need a plan and the plan contains financial management that you make, what is the right allocation of funds to invest, back up funds, and finance for daily needs, so that you will not be confuse between holding back and paying for needs

Make proper plan that you will hold until then and you will spend that but the best is not to spend anything because we can fulfil our needs with some other kind of paper money but font waste your saving in this regard. I am Holding because I did not find any risk in holding but my trading strategy is to trade for long term.

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Quote from: iMark on January 10, 2019, 09:33:35 PM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 29, 2018, 04:19:27 AM

Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

and the risk of holding can be much smaller and far greater depending on the patience you have, if you have long-term then
sure you have extra patience, don't let you sell at a low price because you can't wait

well, basically we wait for a very high price, and we don't know how long that will happen. therefore patience is very risky when you need money, and sell it at a low price. however, when you hold a coin, you must have a strategy that is able to cover the shortcomings when the price drops, and when you need money.

Like I said, you need a plan and the plan contains financial management that you make, what is the right allocation of funds to invest, back up funds, and finance for daily needs, so that you will not be confuse between holding back and paying for needs

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Quote from: iMark on January 10, 2019, 09:33:35 PM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 29, 2018, 04:19:27 AM

Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

and the risk of holding can be much smaller and far greater depending on the patience you have, if you have long-term then
sure you have extra patience, don't let you sell at a low price because you can't wait

well, basically we wait for a very high price, and we don't know how long that will happen. therefore patience is very risky when you need money, and sell it at a low price. however, when you hold a coin, you must have a strategy that is able to cover the shortcomings when the price drops, and when you need money.

Thats why you need backup funds dude, if you intend long-term investment then allocate the right funds, don't use all your money for the long term because you will be confused when you need money. make a plan before you choose long term or short term

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There is a huge risk involved in it if you don't hold the active development coins because no development will always lead to decrease their price. That's why before investing we have to choose the right coin for the holding because when we active developments from the team will help the coin to increase its price.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 29, 2018, 04:19:27 AM

Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

and the risk of holding can be much smaller and far greater depending on the patience you have, if you have long-term then
sure you have extra patience, don't let you sell at a low price because you can't wait

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 10, 2019, 06:55:39 PM

When you are holding coins, you need a lot of patience and dont listen to fud. If its possible not to look at the price daily, go ahead, so that you will not be affected when you see the price of coin going down. Looking at the price might give you a reason to think and sell. But, be careful not to overlook the status of the coin, because you might be holding a coin that will soon be delisted in the exchange site.

Patience in holding coins are not enough, do you think that you can earn profit if you are holding bags of shitcoins? The effective hodl strategy is you should hold profitable coins while having a lot of patience

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I recommend using both strategies for trading to allocate about 20-30% of its capital, and the rest of the holding and periodically fix profit

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 10, 2019, 06:55:39 PM

When you are holding coins, you need a lot of patience and dont listen to fud. If its possible not to look at the price daily, go ahead, so that you will not be affected when you see the price of coin going down. Looking at the price might give you a reason to think and sell. But, be careful not to overlook the status of the coin, because you might be holding a coin that will soon be delisted in the exchange site.

that could be disaster for us if holding coins and we dont know about its future.moreover will delisted soon from exchanges site.as holder we have to following an important update about the developtment progress.if we dont maybe we holding shitcoins.

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When you are holding coins, you need a lot of patience and dont listen to fud. If its possible not to look at the price daily, go ahead, so that you will not be affected when you see the price of coin going down. Looking at the price might give you a reason to think and sell. But, be careful not to overlook the status of the coin, because you might be holding a coin that will soon be delisted in the exchange site.

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Quote from: Periodik on December 28, 2018, 12:51:41 AM

Make no mistake, there are risks in both. Actually, both have advantages and disadvantages. However, both have different skill level needed, patience, hardwork, and so on. When it comes to HODLing, there is not much analyses needed as compared to active trading. HODLing is basically much better with long term. But then you will have to endure the painful sight everytime the market passes through the bear season. On the other hand, day trading involves a lot of strategies and techniques and analyses that you will actively make use of every single day.

This is what make the transition between those two postures so difficult if you want to be a long term holder you need to have a great deal of patience and you need to be willing to endure huge losses but if you want to be a trader you need the opposite skillset you need to be willing to get out of coins at the first sign that something is wrong with them and be capable to take advantage of any opportunity that you see to earn money.

This is why we do not see many people that are capable of doing both simultaneously, we have traders and we have long term holders but we have almost no one in the forum that can trade and when the circumstances are right that can hold.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on June 11, 2018, 08:38:02 AM

Ive seen many times on this forum statements like:
"trading is risky, holding is safer"
"when you are hodling you are not making that much mistakes"
"in trading there are much more possibilities to loose money"
"if you would buy ether for 1$ look where you could be now"
"Hodler is not affected by whales making pump and dump"

Lets discuss then how does investing time goes with risk taken (lets discuss only about risk).

Hodler strategy risk:

Hodler is buying coins by fundamental (whitepaper, team, code, hype, being unique in specific segment) analysis for very long period. Hodling is a strategy very often sugested for newbies in cryptos (when you are newbie than buy good coins and sell on profit after years - I heard it thousands time). What can possibly go wrong?

1- whitepaper is just a document with words. It can be copierd and change a little. Faked. I can create myown whitepaper in which ill write that tommorow ill be on mt everest.
2-team can be faked with fake twitter account with bought fallowers
3- code - who of us can check if code is ok? How many of currencies have working code now? Most of them are just concept without working product jet.
4- hype can be bought.
5- beeing uniqe dasnt give you certainty of beeing uniqe forever. 1 month after your investment there can be new ICO with better team, bought hype and with working product delivered faster.
6- you are newbie and you did fundamential analys wrong or didnt do at all just jump after hype or because someone said that its great investment
7- there are 1600 coins. More than 1400 wont survive next few years because they are not neseesary. Your decision must be precised and full of luck

What if any of above will happend? Your investment will contiously goes to 0. And if you are hodler you will never sell until there will be nothing to sell. When you are buying with hodler strategy you are risking 100% of your investment. I dont think there is more risky way.

Trader

Good trader have loved coins that he checked fundametaly and trade on them. He is trying to buy low and sell high. When trade is not going how he planned it he sells. He dont w8 for coin to hit bottom to panic sell, he try to sell on the rise. His risk is set by him by stoplos which is set in his trading strategy. And it depends on time period he is investing in and expected profits. He dont fallow pump and dump.

Time period:

When trader see good buy oportunity on 1d candles he has to set stoploss lower, he takes bigger risk then but possible profit is bigger.
When he see oportunity on 5 min candle he can set stoploss even 0,5% under buy point risking only 0,5% of his investment.

Trader is taking known risk each time he enters trade and this risk i related to expected profits. When trades are not going well he can stop trading, lock money into bitcoin or usd and change strategy. Hodler takes unknows risk - up to 100% - for unknown profit. With hope that his analysis was good and data wasnt faked. He also dont have chance to learn investing becouse after first buy decision there is only hodl

right, I agree with your research. hold more risk when compared with trading. but if we decide to trade then we must focus and provide a lot of time to always monitor the development of prices, so we can sell and buy in a timely manner.

You are right we should move accordingly if you see that holding is good for you then go for holding and if you are that trading us good choice then trade but I think those who hold today will make huge profit than those who are trading because now a day market is at red so have patience soon market will be open for trader but now selling or trading can be wrong.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on June 11, 2018, 08:38:02 AM

Ive seen many times on this forum statements like:
"trading is risky, holding is safer"
"when you are hodling you are not making that much mistakes"
"in trading there are much more possibilities to loose money"
"if you would buy ether for 1$ look where you could be now"
"Hodler is not affected by whales making pump and dump"

Lets discuss then how does investing time goes with risk taken (lets discuss only about risk).

Hodler strategy risk:

Hodler is buying coins by fundamental (whitepaper, team, code, hype, being unique in specific segment) analysis for very long period. Hodling is a strategy very often sugested for newbies in cryptos (when you are newbie than buy good coins and sell on profit after years - I heard it thousands time). What can possibly go wrong?

1- whitepaper is just a document with words. It can be copierd and change a little. Faked. I can create myown whitepaper in which ill write that tommorow ill be on mt everest.
2-team can be faked with fake twitter account with bought fallowers
3- code - who of us can check if code is ok? How many of currencies have working code now? Most of them are just concept without working product jet.
4- hype can be bought.
5- beeing uniqe dasnt give you certainty of beeing uniqe forever. 1 month after your investment there can be new ICO with better team, bought hype and with working product delivered faster.
6- you are newbie and you did fundamential analys wrong or didnt do at all just jump after hype or because someone said that its great investment
7- there are 1600 coins. More than 1400 wont survive next few years because they are not neseesary. Your decision must be precised and full of luck

What if any of above will happend? Your investment will contiously goes to 0. And if you are hodler you will never sell until there will be nothing to sell. When you are buying with hodler strategy you are risking 100% of your investment. I dont think there is more risky way.

Trader

Good trader have loved coins that he checked fundametaly and trade on them. He is trying to buy low and sell high. When trade is not going how he planned it he sells. He dont w8 for coin to hit bottom to panic sell, he try to sell on the rise. His risk is set by him by stoplos which is set in his trading strategy. And it depends on time period he is investing in and expected profits. He dont fallow pump and dump.

Time period:

When trader see good buy oportunity on 1d candles he has to set stoploss lower, he takes bigger risk then but possible profit is bigger.
When he see oportunity on 5 min candle he can set stoploss even 0,5% under buy point risking only 0,5% of his investment.

Trader is taking known risk each time he enters trade and this risk i related to expected profits. When trades are not going well he can stop trading, lock money into bitcoin or usd and change strategy. Hodler takes unknows risk - up to 100% - for unknown profit. With hope that his analysis was good and data wasnt faked. He also dont have chance to learn investing becouse after first buy decision there is only hodl

right, I agree with your research. hold more risk when compared with trading. but if we decide to trade then we must focus and provide a lot of time to always monitor the development of prices, so we can sell and buy in a timely manner.

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Hodling is safe if you have plans to buy when it is low and hold it for a long time.

Some people usually get disappointed when they don’t have plans to Hodl for a long term. Well🤔 both trading and hodling are risky, there are coins you Hodl and they end up being shit. Though trading seems to be a lot risky, but once you master it you won’t regret you did.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 29, 2018, 04:19:27 AM

Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

these two things can be an advantage when you use them well, especially having a good strategy. well, but you're right, even having a good strategy, it's still risky. the virtue in this case is patience.

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I don't find anything risks in holding because if you don't panic for the market situations because there won't be any growth if there is no downfall in the market. For trading, we need to analyse ourselves before investing into any coin and price fluctuation are common.

if you haven't found it, then you don't pay enough attention to it. of course there is a risk of holding back. the coin that you hold can be stolen by hakcer. besides, I think you can also get a loss when you hold a coin and the price drops.

I think the risk is clear, that prices can go down very deep at any time, and of course the coins you hold don't necessarily have a beautiful future because everything is just a prediction and hasn't happened yet, I think you have to understand that risk before starting mate

All of our predictions can greatly affect many people around. I think we should only consider the form of reference because we cannot be sure what will happen in this market and any decision will affect your future.

Moreover, even if you keep a coin. That does not mean that it is not at risk because FUD can come at any time, sometimes the amount you hold reduces 90% of the value while you have financial difficulties and must sell off and cut losses It will be ridiculous when you have to wait for it to recover in 4 to 5 years. It is hard to avoid objective risks. Just in case, profit is more or less it is also profit.

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Trading and holding are used for making money but different kind of people,when someone have money but want returns in the long run they will invest on the cryptos and hold longer but when people interested to make money always by buying and selling using the different tactics to get used to the condition.

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Quote from: paxaway21 on December 28, 2018, 11:03:13 PM

trading in crypto is already risky for your money all of this strategy will have a plan to loss your money even your funds is big to start.

Yes of course if you just throw your money and if you didnt even learn about how to trade properly or any other knowledge about trading.
Even now , you dont even need to risk your money if you want to learn about trading, there are several paper / demo trading websites out there.

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Quote from: Yusuf77 on December 29, 2018, 01:03:37 AM

Quote from: paxaway21 on December 28, 2018, 11:03:13 PM

trading in crypto is already risky for your money all of this strategy will have a plan to loss your money even your funds is big to start.

not if you trade properly and correctly. patience, strategizing and finding opportunities will definitely not lose. The loss is only for people who are careless and greedy because their minds only get money without thinking of losing or not important selling.

well, the key to gaining profit is patience. however, it can sometimes be risky. it can be risky when we know that the price is already very high, but we still hold the coin in the long run in the hope that the price will be very high according to what we think. well, that is the risk of holding back, and I have felt it as early as 2018.

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