["Risky" Loan] borrower [marcotheminer] - page 3.

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Quote from: unibitcoinist on March 08, 2019, 04:24:11 AM

Not necessarily true, I used to take loan for couple of months, I was forced because of my bad financial condition. marcotheminer was a lender back in the days and has turned into a borrower now. Probably he is passing worst days now. I am not vouching anyone here. Never give a loan without a valid collateral. And all of the borrowers giving a valid collateral must think of collateral scammers.
At the end of the day, always using a trusted escrow is the best deal.

On your post history, I can't see any loan. I think you might have taken a loan from your well-known person or from a bank. Take a loan from a well-known person and a bank is not the same to take a loan from here.

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Quote from: Zerbis on March 08, 2019, 03:55:30 AM

I think that is easy to understand that the user has tried to build a trust by take and pay little loan, with the hope to gain trust : now he is arrived at the end of the scheme, and he asked bigger amount for scam.

Not necessarily true, I used to take loan for couple of months, I was forced because of my bad financial condition. marcotheminer was a lender back in the days and has turned into a borrower now. Probably he is passing worst days now. I am not vouching anyone here. Never give a loan without a valid collateral. And all of the borrowers giving a valid collateral must think of collateral scammers.
At the end of the day, always using a trusted escrow is the best deal.

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Quote from: Zerbis on March 08, 2019, 03:55:30 AM

I think that is easy to understand that the user has tried to build a trust by take and pay little loan, with the hope to gain trust : now he is arrived at the end of the scheme, and he asked bigger amount for scam.

You have mentioned a valid point. I just noticed that bill gator revised his positive trust to neutral. And base on the rank which has made by default (only 4 earned merits), don't deserve such a loan also has two negative trusts by reputed members.

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I think that is easy to understand that the user has tried to build a trust by take and pay little loan, with the hope to gain trust : now he is arrived at the end of the scheme, and he asked bigger amount for scam.

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Quote from: LoyceV on March 08, 2019, 03:29:28 AM

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I won't be abandoning this forum account, not some random newbie seeking a $10 quick buck loan scam.

A random Legendary with 2 red tags (from Mitchell and BadBear, both former Staff members) seeking a $1000 quick buck doesn't make it any better.

You are absolutely right and also there are two active loans. Also I guys he is promoting Ponzi which is showing on his signature.

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I won't be abandoning this forum account, not some random newbie seeking a $10 quick buck loan scam.

A random Legendary with 2 red tags (from Mitchell and BadBear, both former Staff members) seeking a $1000 quick buck doesn't make it any better.

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 07, 2019, 07:38:39 PM

Right, in my mind I consider the first two "repaid" (funds to be put immediately aside to cover when needed).

I'm pretty sure the other party doesn't consider it repaid until it is actually repaid.

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Quote from: mirakal on March 08, 2019, 02:27:24 AM

I'm just curious, how much you can rate my account in case I will apply for a loan?

Someone may give you 1BTC or more. At first glance, I may take a risk about 0.1BTC for you rest depends on your post history, post gaps time, recent merit, post quality etc.

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I won't be abandoning this forum account, not some random newbie seeking a $10 quick buck loan scam.

A lot of hero/legendary leaving away by taking only 0.03BTC there are a lot of proof see on lending board.

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You are wrong about the "he will be a scammer" part.

Also never heard that lenders cannot be borrowers, ahhhh traditional banks just cannot be!

If I am wrong then that will be good for the community. It is not a traditional bank. It is a virtual place just a forum where I have not seen anyone who gives a loan and takes a loan at the same time except you.

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A lot of your negativity stems from "feeling" I'm a scammer.

I think if you get that loan you will obviously scam.

Quote from: nutildah on March 08, 2019, 03:07:51 AM

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May or May Not be a Ponzi. Use at own risk: https://t.me/Arbitrage_ETH_Bot?start=e3utse4680. Arbitrage could still be slightly profitable in my opinion.

I have not yet seen when marco posted it, if it's recent then marco can't be trusted. As Ponzi promoter is a scammer. Soon I will check it.
Edit:
Just checked and seen the image posted by nutildah that you are promoting ponzi. So, you can't be a trusted person. I think you should be tagged immediately for promoting ponzi. Archive for reference

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In marco's signature:

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May or May Not be a Ponzi. Use at own risk: https://t.me/Arbitrage_ETH_Bot?start=e3utse4680. Arbitrage could still be slightly profitable in my opinion.

Oh man. Now you are advertising a Ponzi telegram bot in your signature? Not a good look man.

That's a Ponzi scheme, or else straight up scam. There's no doubt about it.

Really as a Legendary member you should know better.

Screenshotted:

Now I'm beginning to feel like you're a scammer too. Why else would you advertise this bot?

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Oh boy more forum drama for no reason! Roll Eyes

Let's how many hours we can waste running around in circles.

I'll get to some replies shortly, short on time now.

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Quote from: shasan on March 08, 2019, 02:17:16 AM

Quote from: Roman1974 on March 08, 2019, 02:13:07 AM

didnt know its good for help community

It must be helpful for the community. For example, I can trust you to lend 0.05BTC but I will not trust you 0.1BTC. In this case, if I see you got already 0.05BTC loan then I will not give any loan to you.

It's really good to do some background investigation prior approving a loan.
It would be nice if all the regular lenders in the forum will share information about their borrowers and just summarize it in a list so it would be easy for the lenders to check the status of the applicant, and that includes loan history.

Actually in real life we have that, it's called credit bureau where we can log in into a system and checks names on the list, it's very convenient and we can avoid lending people outside his capacity to pay.

I'm just curious, how much you can rate my account in case I will apply for a loan?

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Quote from: mirakal on March 08, 2019, 02:07:38 AM

That clearly means to me that you are judging him already and I think there's no need to ask for other's opinion on this matter.
I'm sure you'll dissaprove his loan request the moment he will apply a loan on you.

His trust level to me is/was up to 0.03BTC. And you are right I would not or will not approve too much. Few days ago he took 0.02BTC loan from another lender and then asked me for another 0.02BTC then I had not approved that. And also I never allow any loan if there is any active non-collateral loan. I have faced a few problems (loan defaulted) where I sent earlier then another lender gave more. Result: Loan default and I lose my fund with the new lender.

Quote from: Roman1974 on March 08, 2019, 02:13:07 AM

didnt know its good for help community

It must be helpful for the community. For example, I can trust you to lend 0.05BTC but I will not trust you 0.1BTC. In this case, if I see you got already 0.05BTC loan then I will not give any loan to you.

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Shasan i gave him neutral now,sorry didnt do before, as its my first time here lending, and didnt know its good for help community

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It looks like the issue of me possibly being the same as marco was cleared up here in a GitHub issue for keybase.

According to one of what I believe to be devs of keybase, marco was one of the "alpha" users of keybase, and never proved ownership of the PGP key in his keybase profile (mine). It looks like he input my public key as being his, and never verified it (because he doesn't have the private key) -- note at the time, I was one of the most trusted people here. According to the dev, this was a bug in the keybase software and a fix was made in Early 2017, when this was reported.

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Quote from: shasan on March 08, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

Quote from: mirakal on March 08, 2019, 12:04:11 AM

So my point is, you only call it a scammer once he failed to comply with the agreed terms in case you approved the loan.

I am not calling scammer, but I am telling e he may scam base on my above points. Not for this single point. Please read all point. and also this point indicates scamming which happen at least 80% time for point number seven.

Well maybe I'm just talking in a general point of view but the way you started your entire posts goes like this

Quote from: shasan on March 07, 2019, 09:22:41 PM

I think marcotheminer is/will be a scammer.

That clearly means to me that you are judging him already and I think there's no need to ask for other's opinion on this matter.
I'm sure you'll dissaprove his loan request the moment he will apply a loan on you.

Okay, so if I'm in your shoes, I would disapprove his loan because of his shady behavior that cause him a negative trust, it's very risky considering he is asking for a loan without a collateral. And remember this, every lender has their own judgement, so just follow what you think is right.

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 08, 2019, 01:38:55 AM

It is possible his financial situation has changed from when he was managing the coinsbank(?) signature campaign, and may be willing to scam for $500 today when he was unwilling to scam for $20k years ago if he is now desperate for money. It is also possible, he is trying to engage in many trades so he can gain additional reputation, so he can have additional business opportunities, such as managing campaigns.

On that time the managing or getting campaign/bounty and current time I do not think the same also I think marco also think the same. Also, I do not think comparing with that time with the current time is the same. That time people traded account without any problem now it will be tagged immediately. Then the earning amount of a bounty hunter is more than a bounty manager/campaign manager now. So, forget the previous reputation. Try to understand its recent reputation and behavior.

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Quote from: shasan on March 08, 2019, 01:26:46 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 08, 2019, 01:11:37 AM

although I would not be surprised if he posted it somewhere and the logic is convoluted.

I have found it on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=147773 (trust page of marcotheminer.) you may have a look from there.

It looks like it stems from this, which looks like for some reason keybase was saying a PGP message that I signed was signed by marco. It appears that marco might have deleted his keybase account, however based on what I posted at the time, the "proof" keybase had for the PGP key associated with marco's key was not signed by my key.

Quote from: shasan on March 08, 2019, 01:26:46 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 08, 2019, 01:11:37 AM

IIRC, in the past, he was entrusted with ~50BTC to run a signature campaign (worth ~$20k at the time), and to my knowledge he paid out appropriately

There is a long gap and earlier he was a lender but now he is a borrower also then how was a manager but a few days ago I saw he tried to join on a campaign where he has not been accepted. So totally opposite from earlier, in the meantime, anything can happen.

It is possible his financial situation has changed from when he was managing the coinsbank(?) signature campaign, and may be willing to scam for $500 today when he was unwilling to scam for $20k years ago if he is now desperate for money. It is also possible, he is trying to engage in many trades so he can gain additional reputation, so he can have additional business opportunities, such as managing campaigns. It is also possible he had a series of unexpected expenses that came up, and has income he will be receiving in the near future.

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 08, 2019, 01:11:37 AM

although I would not be surprised if he posted it somewhere and the logic is convoluted.

I have found it on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=147773 (trust page of marcotheminer.) you may have a look from there.

Quote from: Quickseller on March 08, 2019, 01:11:37 AM

IIRC, in the past, he was entrusted with ~50BTC to run a signature campaign (worth ~$20k at the time), and to my knowledge he paid out appropriately

There is a long gap and earlier he was a lender but now he is a borrower also then how was a manager but a few days ago I saw he tried to join on a campaign where he has not been accepted. So totally opposite from earlier, in the meantime, anything can happen.

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I am not marco. I am not sure why timeloard thinks I am him, although I would not be surprised if he posted it somewhere and the logic is convoluted.

The multiple loans will not automatically make him a scammer, although the multiple loans taken over a short period is suspicious.

In the past, marco has had a lot of sockpuppets, including one of which allegedly took out a private loan from him. I am unsure if this account is still one of his sockpuppets, although my intuition says it is.

Prior to last month, I was not aware of him engaging in any kind of fake trades with his sockpuppets, although I do know he was engaged in trust farming, including asking people on DT for positive trust.

IIRC, in the past, he was entrusted with ~50BTC to run a signature campaign (worth ~$20k at the time), and to my knowledge he paid out appropriately, and returned excess funds when the campaign closed, although it is possible he accepted people who shouldn't have been accepted, and/or paid for posts that maybe shouldn't have been paid, and/or something similar in exchange for a portion of the improper payment.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 08, 2019, 12:49:43 AM

After looking at the post history and password change lot,the account might changed hands on 2018 or in Feb 2019,so as you said this may be an act of big scam attempt but tagging an user based on suspicious is not a right way.

Might need more suggestions from other DT members.

Anything might happen which we don't know but we may guess. Check the sent feedback by VOD then you will get clear understand how s/he thinks the borrower might be a scammer or default a loan.

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Quote from: shasan on March 08, 2019, 12:31:17 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on March 08, 2019, 12:24:27 AM

In the meanwhile time he was not active in this forum,anything may happened to him like he lost all his savings on bets or to the borrower who got never paid or whatever the reason maybe.For that calling him as a scammer is not appropriate until he did that.He is in need of money looks like because he only asked for loans on his recent posts.

I suggest you to not to give any loans for him until the already lend money gets repaid,because he might not be able to repay them in my guess.

He is not posting anything except asking loan, which refers to something wrong too. His recent days passing only by asking loan. No legit user take loan such a way where the first small amount then increases the amount. If you can find out 100 people like this then you may find out at least 95% loan default.

After looking at the post history and password change lot,the account might changed hands on 2018 or in Feb 2019,so as you said this may be an act of big scam attempt but tagging an user based on suspicious is not a right way.

Might need more suggestions from other DT members.

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