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legendary
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May 22, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
#48
mineskein.bat
Code:
:start
ccminerAlexis78.exe -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP -p **INSERT ID HERE**,c=BTC,skein,stats
goto start

This should get you going.

replace my BTC address with your BTC address; and either delete " **INSERT ID HERE**, " or change it to " SOMETHINGELSE, "

thanks a ton! i have so much to learn it's staggering

Once you get your feet wet you realize its actually somewhat simple.

The hard part is testing everything over and over and over again....  Its taxing....  This is why I support minerx in what hes doing here with his version of my batch;  it surely lightens the load Wink  He goes that step further and provides a whole package.

I'm an ass and make people do their own work... lol

If you haven't yet, reading through my posts via the batch file link in my signature;  you could learn a lot of the juicy stuff.  Things like the normalization, the original batch file, etc... they all do (hopefully) a good job at describing what's what and how it works and will bring more scope to what you must pay attention to.
full member
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May 22, 2017, 08:12:06 PM
#47
mineskein.bat
Code:
:start
ccminerAlexis78.exe -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP -p **INSERT ID HERE**,c=BTC,skein,stats
goto start

This should get you going.

replace my BTC address with your BTC address; and either delete " **INSERT ID HERE**, " or change it to " SOMETHINGELSE, "

thanks a ton! i have so much to learn it's staggering
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1165
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
May 22, 2017, 07:59:21 PM
#46
mineskein.bat
Code:
:start
ccminerAlexis78.exe -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP -p **INSERT ID HERE**,c=BTC,skein,stats
goto start

This should get you going.

replace my BTC address with your BTC address; and either delete " **INSERT ID HERE**, " or change it to " SOMETHINGELSE, "
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May 22, 2017, 07:34:09 PM
#45
I'm lucky... I get deals on computer parts since I live in Silicon Valley....

memory is dirt to me and my friend (he used to be a head at PIIceon back in the day)...

The last H97 Anniversary We ordered for Henry's rackminer only cost $130 shipped... came with ram and processor too.

That price is bonkers if you ask me...

Let me try and break down the price of Henry's Rackminer:

$130 MB+CPU+RAM (ebay score BIN)
$100 Rosewill 4U case (he got a deal on Amazon for damaged box/returned or something retarded)
$100 Coolmax 1600w PSU (his friend sells them)
$80  6x risers (right angle, and 6 pin connector)
$2000 ($400/ea)5x GTX 1080 (used, craigslist)
$600 2x GTX 1070 (Used, CL again)
$25  Ace hardware, aluminum trim for making bracketry to support the GPU
$45 130CFM fans x3
....   I dont think I missed anything else....

That's $3080..... and it does this:
http://zpool.ca/?address=1kLsGT9egk3utSKZH46ydTbKj5oMnmBoN

Presently he has added a second 1070, so he had me put both his 1070's in his home pc so he could game on them as well... that's why you see two miners....   subtract .5Gh if you don't want to count one of the 1070's.  still quite a profit...

How are you mining skein?

I am trying using nemos zpool but it's mining everything but skein atm so I don't know how to get it to just mine skein, it keeps rejecting if i delete all algos except skein.

I only have 2 1070's on a windows 10
legendary
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May 22, 2017, 07:27:43 PM
#44
I'm lucky... I get deals on computer parts since I live in Silicon Valley....

memory is dirt to me and my friend (he used to be a head at PIIceon back in the day)...

The last H97 Anniversary We ordered for Henry's rackminer only cost $130 shipped... came with ram and processor too.

That price is bonkers if you ask me...

Let me try and break down the price of Henry's Rackminer:

$130 MB+CPU+RAM (ebay score BIN)
$100 Rosewill 4U case (he got a deal on Amazon for damaged box/returned or something retarded)
$100 Coolmax 1600w PSU (his friend sells them)
$80  6x risers (right angle, and 6 pin connector)
$2000 ($400/ea)5x GTX 1080 (used, craigslist)
$600 2x GTX 1070 (Used, CL again)
$25  Ace hardware, aluminum trim for making bracketry to support the GPU
$45 130CFM fans x3
....   I dont think I missed anything else....

That's $3080..... and it does this:
http://zpool.ca/?address=1kLsGT9egk3utSKZH46ydTbKj5oMnmBoN

Presently he has added a second 1070, so he had me put both his 1070's in his home pc so he could game on them as well... that's why you see two miners....   subtract .5Gh if you don't want to count one of the 1070's.  still quite a profit...
legendary
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May 22, 2017, 06:50:47 PM
#43
OP after a quick(and pretty rough) calculation I think for about $4000-6000 you can make yourself 3-4 rigs which will net you about $400-$500 in total every month. Now if you could work something out to pay less for power you'd be swimming in money. These new electricity meters are often checked wirelessly and can also have their settings changed this way, without need of opening it up and breaking the seal or whatever. Just a thought Cheesy

Where are you coming up with those numbers?  This guy, blockoperations, is a pretty big miner operator and on his website he has some costs on building a rig - 6 GPU for 2,250.  He includes a break down of the components and prices.  So, for 6k that would only put you at 2.6 rigs.  Maybe it can be done cheaper than blockoperations, but at the same time quality components don't break down as fast.


https://blockoperations.com/6-gpu-mining-rig-amd-rx580-intel-lga-1151-ethereum-zcash


 That's if you insist on going to 6-card riser rigs.

 For $6750 you can easily build 5 and possibly 6 no-riser 3-card rigs, and if you go with Phillipma's favorite Biostar 4-card board you can probably build 4 or 5 4-card rigs.
 
 The smaller rigs have the advantage that if something breaks, you lose half as much hashrate - at the cost of slightly more power consumption and *usually* somewhat more space needed.
 
 You also get better reliability IME, risers have a bad habit of having issues and 6-card rigs can be a pain to get working reliably since the drivers aren't really INTENDED to handle that many cards.
 
 You also don't NEED a "frame" for a non-riser rig, which saves back some of the money (as does not needing risers) you have to pay for 2 MB/CPU/RAM/drive sets (PS is a push, one big with a GAZILLION connectors to power the GPUs AND the risers vs 2 half-size "normal number of connectors needed" is pretty much the same price on high quality PS).

 
I'm NOT impressed with a couple of the blockoperations picks:

 Not real fond of Antec PS, and their plat PS is *BARELY* more efficient than the EVGA 1300 G2 "gold" or the Seasonic X-1250 "gold" models while costing noticeably more.
 
 They're paying too much for their ram - 4GB is plenty for most mining rigs, and DDR4 still carries a price penalty over DDR3 (but if you INSIST on Intel, most of their recent MB are DDR4).
 I'd suggest 2GB but it's almost impossible to find 1GB SIMMS any more (and they've gotten kinda expen$ive).
 
 Buying the OS on a stick/SSD might make it easier to deploy the rig, but does waste a bit of money over just buying the stick and doing an install of a FREE OS (even the free mining-specific OS distributions).

 
 With all that said though, that site DOES give a good "this is a place to start" on the cost and choices to make for a 6-card riser rig, and their total cost is pretty reasonable all factors considered.


 As far as electric cost goes - before I moved into my current place (fixed-price electric built into the rent by negotiation with the landlord before I moved), my last full-month electric bill was for $394.86 all up, on 8640 KWH used, or just a bit under 4.6 c/kwh

 I figure about 13k of that was mining gear.



 Buying hashrate from Nicehash *can*, sometimes, make more than owning - but most of the time you're fighting other folks that probably don't HAVE any mining gear and you end up paying more than you would make from pointing YOUR gear at Nicehash, much less what you can often make by pointing it at even MORE profitable options.



newbie
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May 22, 2017, 05:01:58 PM
#42
I invested a little under $10k in hardware, this includes electrical upgrades and also cooling units

https://i.imgur.com/MRqCW8B.png

How many kW are you running and what are you paying per kWh?  Have you seen your electric bill yet?



$0.075/kWh, used a little under 5000kWh last month

Man that is good! I pay over double that ($0.20/kWh) congrats man those are good earnings indeed for only 10k investment!

I wasn't very descriptive with the item names (should probably do that), but I made running totals of how much I spent across newegg / ebay, etc. Most was from Newegg lol https://pastebin.com/KxanE0g8
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May 22, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
#41
I invested a little under $10k in hardware, this includes electrical upgrades and also cooling units

https://i.imgur.com/MRqCW8B.png

How many kW are you running and what are you paying per kWh?  Have you seen your electric bill yet?



$0.075/kWh, used a little under 5000kWh last month

Man that is good! I pay over double that ($0.20/kWh) congrats man those are good earnings indeed for only 10k investment!
newbie
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May 22, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
#40
I invested a little under $10k in hardware, this includes electrical upgrades and also cooling units

https://i.imgur.com/MRqCW8B.png

How many kW are you running and what are you paying per kWh?  Have you seen your electric bill yet?



$0.075/kWh, used a little under 5000kWh last month
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May 22, 2017, 02:21:13 PM
#39
I invested a little under $10k in hardware, this includes electrical upgrades and also cooling units

https://i.imgur.com/MRqCW8B.png

How many kW are you running and what are you paying per kWh?  Have you seen your electric bill yet?

newbie
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May 22, 2017, 02:17:53 PM
#38
I invested a little under $10k in hardware, this includes electrical upgrades and also cooling units

https://i.imgur.com/MRqCW8B.png
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May 22, 2017, 08:51:54 AM
#37
has anyone done any comparison between mining rigs vs. buying hashing from somewhere like nicehash?  If there isn't too much of a price difference, might remove some of the risk of owning mining equipment and/or the ability to purchase various hashing algorithms.

buying hash from nicehash make sense only if you know or you expect that the coin you are mining is going to increase a lot, otherwise you are wasting time and not making any profit, it's very similar to trading you buy because you will sell higher, but if you mine with your hashpower you don't need to wait you dump and take your profit
legendary
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May 22, 2017, 08:47:39 AM
#36
has anyone done any comparison between mining rigs vs. buying hashing from somewhere like nicehash?  If there isn't too much of a price difference, might remove some of the risk of owning mining equipment and/or the ability to purchase various hashing algorithms.

I am a firm believer of renting is more expensive than owning.

Less to invest, but waaaay more to risk in investment to rent.
newbie
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May 22, 2017, 08:43:40 AM
#35
has anyone done any comparison between mining rigs vs. buying hashing from somewhere like nicehash?  If there isn't too much of a price difference, might remove some of the risk of owning mining equipment and/or the ability to purchase various hashing algorithms.
legendary
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May 22, 2017, 05:43:11 AM
#34
Keep in mind the reason every AMD video card is sold out right now is because EVERYONE is building rigs.

 The total hashrate in ETH equates out to appx. 1 million AMD GPUs - which isn't even in the BALLPARK of their total sales on the RX 470 and RX 480.

 If you add in ALL of the hashrate on everything else, it MIGHT double that figure.

 Then factor in a LOT of older AMD gpus are mining ZEC, some are still mining ETH, a few mining other stuff, then subtract out the NVidia brigades....



 AMD cards are not in short supply due to mining (though it is a small factor, there was NO shortage on the RX 4xx series for many moons up to last month when they were discontinued), they are in short supply 'cause the RX5xx lines haven't gotten up to full speed yet *AND* AMD is selling MAINSTREAM cards that perform comparably to many of the high-end cards of the last generation for well under half the cost while eating half the power *AND* Nvidia has been very slow to move DOWN to the mainstream segment on their current generation cards.

 I also suspect AMD has been a bit slow DELIBERATELY on getting volume production and shipping going on the RX 5xx series so the remaining RX 4xx cards could get cleared out, since they don't have a lot of competition YET in that segment.


 I highly recommend AGAINST Poloniex - I had nothing but ISSUES far too much of the time I dealt with them over the last month and a half or so. They seem to be suffering some SERIOUS "can't handle their growth" pains.

 I don't like how Bittrex has their website set up in some ways (their pop-up "order confirmed" RIGHT on top of the main menu is VERY irritating, as is their insistance on using Crapcha) but they do get the job done and don't lag to hell and gone for hours a day like Poloniex does most days - and they don't hang on to your withdrawals for DAYS at a time.

 Never used Kraken, GDAX, or Bitfinex - but I am probably going to be checking one of more of those out in a month or so (I have a move tentatively set up next month into a MUCH better place).

 For getting your fiat into / out of BTC/ETH/LTC I find Coinbase works reliably, though their ATH transfer times are a bit slow that seems to be true for everyone that uses ATH.

 Poloniex and Bittrex have NO option to deal in fiat at all.



 See my last post for *MY* estimate of when the current very nice profitability will come to a screeching halt.


 IMO LINUX is the way to go for mining, though it would be nice if it had better tools like Afterburner for tweeking cards with.


 Open air rigs are usually a hair noisier, but you don't need MASSIVE fan volume on them like a "in a box" rig does to stay cool so sometimes they're quieter - and they're almost ALWAYS cooler.

 They are also a little less expensive (no case cost), and they use a little less power (no case fans needed, or you can get by with a MUCH LOWER POWER fan at most).

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May 22, 2017, 05:32:48 AM
#33
Sounds like starting out with 3x 1080 ti nvidia cards is better than starting out with with a different brands/model GPU x 6,  and I have the capability to add 3 more cards in the future as I pay off the current set up.


I assume things like the Operating system (Windows 10 versus Linux), and what memory, SSD brand, etc don't matter too much... 

But for the MOTHERBOARD and PDU,  can anyone make any recommendations? I need a motherboard that can eventually support 6 x GPU, and a PDU that will be able to handle 6 as well.


Also, how noisy is an open-air system versus closed air?  Is it as loud as for example, when you turn in a 2U server or loud commercial router? What options if you want something as quiet as possible?


What is the advantage of an open air that so many people go this route?  Does it cool better?


Thanks
legendary
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May 21, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
#32
my friends ~3K investment in gpu rigs nets him currently a little over 1K/mo.

He did wait for people selling cards at a deal.

Typical GPU rigs ROI in 3-6mo.  in today's market, as low as 2 months.  but that can always change drastically.

yeah  no one knows how long it will last.

but I am netting 80 dollars a day using 2kwatts of power.

mining with:

 9 x 1080 ti nvidia cards. 
 3 x 1070 nvidia cards.

my mother boards,psus,cases etc were paid off last year.

and the cards above will be paid off in a little bit.

a 3 card nvidia can be built for

mobo = 80
cpu   = 90
ssd/os = 50
psu    =  110
ram =     30
riser = 10

370

3 1080 ti as low as 1930

2300 all new open air rig.

it will net 30 a day

will it do it for 77 days  I don't know
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May 21, 2017, 10:17:06 PM
#31
for faster ROI, i recomended buy some vga at second condition, so we get it cheaper than buy new vga, i  have 14vga buy at 2nd
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May 21, 2017, 10:12:03 PM
#30

With a 100% ROI of 2-3 months on average, ATM GPU mining is a no lose proposition as long as you don't mind dealing with the noise and heat. Trading is a good option for those with limited funds or space to setup a mining operation. The risk of trading/holding is large price fluctuations and the coins you buy could go down and you may be stuck holding the bag. With mining you always have the hardware that can be resold.

Bad exchanges are also a risk, but it can be minimized by sticking with reputable exhanges that have been around a while and only keeping what you can afford to lose in your account at one time. Overall I have made more profit by trading and holding than mining by far. The hard part is knowing what to buy.

What exchanges do you recommend?  These are the top top 5 (in no particular order) that I came up with...Since I'm in the U.S., prefer U.S. based exchanges.

Poloniex
kraken
bitfinex
GDAX
Bittrex


Any of those would be a good choice. There is aslo Cryptopia that is good for new coins and it's been around a while.

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz

There have been many exchanges that have come and gone since I began in Crypto in 2014. The few I lost coins on were from not paying attention to the warning signs that were there.

https://bravenewcoin.com/news/36-bitcoin-exchanges-that-are-no-longer-with-us/
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May 21, 2017, 09:40:36 PM
#29

With a 100% ROI of 2-3 months on average, ATM GPU mining is a no lose proposition as long as you don't mind dealing with the noise and heat. Trading is a good option for those with limited funds or space to setup a mining operation. The risk of trading/holding is large price fluctuations and the coins you buy could go down and you may be stuck holding the bag. With mining you always have the hardware that can be resold.

Bad exchanges are also a risk, but it can be minimized by sticking with reputable exhanges that have been around a while and only keeping what you can afford to lose in your account at one time. Overall I have made more profit by trading and holding than mining by far. The hard part is knowing what to buy.

What exchanges do you recommend?  These are the top top 5 (in no particular order) that I came up with...Since I'm in the U.S., prefer U.S. based exchanges.

Poloniex
kraken
bitfinex
GDAX
Bittrex


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