Topic: Rollin.io is a scam !/? - page 3. (Read 6355 times)
Rollin isn't the only one, the seed was cracked long time ago.
Rollin.io is a scam, the admin can control the number you roll, so many people have said about that, even with proof shown. Avoid the site at all cost
Rollin knows the outcome here is your proof the mercenne twister, it was cracked years ago..
https://jazzy.id.au/2010/09/22/cracking_random_number_generators_part_3.html
https://jazzy.id.au/2010/09/22/cracking_random_number_generators_part_3.html
The only troll here is you clown.
This only proves my point you dont know what your talking about, apperently YOU NEVER even visted the site, yet you bashing with this "provably fair" garbage.
Both rollin and fortunejack use "mersenne twister" well apparently you know something they dont.......
Correct me if im wrong, but the seed is generated "cryptographically" by using an algorithm which is set by the operator and NOT the player.
This only proves my point you dont know what your talking about, apperently YOU NEVER even visted the site, yet you bashing with this "provably fair" garbage.
Both rollin and fortunejack use "mersenne twister" well apparently you know something they dont.......
Correct me if im wrong, but the seed is generated "cryptographically" by using an algorithm which is set by the operator and NOT the player.
I would hope not... if they use that Mersenne Twister generator, it's actually the players who can take advantage of this weak random generator and cheat the site. It's in a dice site's best interest to generate cryptographically secure random seeds.
At this point I am not sure if you are trolling or just slow in understanding. But if you are not trolling, you should really read a bit more about provably fair (https://dicesites.com/provably-fair and actually just the posts in this thread.) But I guess you are just trolling since you do no effort in trying to understand the provably fair concept and just keep saying pretty dumb things.
At this point I am not sure if you are trolling or just slow in understanding. But if you are not trolling, you should really read a bit more about provably fair (https://dicesites.com/provably-fair and actually just the posts in this thread.) But I guess you are just trolling since you do no effort in trying to understand the provably fair concept and just keep saying pretty dumb things.
Is this the algorithm code used to generate the seed?
// Create a length n array to store the state of the generator
int[0..n-1] MT
int index := n+1
const int lower_mask = (1 << r) - 1 // That is, the binary number of r 1's
const int upper_mask = lowest w bits of (not lower_mask)
// Initialize the generator from a seed
function seed_mt(int seed) {
Or this?
index := n
MT[0] := seed
for i from 1 to (n - 1) { // loop over each element
MT := lowest w bits of (f * (MT[i-1] xor (MT[i-1] >> (w-2))) + i)
}
}
// Extract a tempered value based on MT[index]
// calling twist() every n numbers
function extract_number() {
if index >= n {
if index > n {
error "Generator was never seeded"
// Alternatively, seed with constant value; 5489 is used in reference C code[45]
}
twist()
}
int y := MT[index]
y := y xor ((y >> u) and d)
y := y xor ((y << s) and b)
y := y xor ((y << t) and c)
y := y xor (y >> l)
index := index + 1
return lowest w bits of (y)
}
// Generate the next n values from the series x_i
function twist() {
for i from 0 to (n-1) {
int x := (MT and upper_mask)
+ (MT[(i+1) mod n] and lower_mask)
int xA := x >> 1
if (x mod 2) != 0 { // lowest bit of x is 1
xA := xA xor a
}
MT := MT[(i + m) mod n] xor xA
}
index := 0
}
Or this?
def _int32(x):
# Get the 32 least significant bits.
return int(0xFFFFFFFF & x)
class MT19937:
def __init__(self, seed):
# Initialize the index to 0
self.index = 624
self.mt =
for i in range(1, 624):
self.mt = _int32(
1812433253 * (self.mt[i - 1] ^ self.mt[i - 1] >> 30) + i)
def extract_number(self):
if self.index >= 624:
self.twist()
y = self.mt[self.index]
# Right shift by 11 bits
y = y ^ y >> 11
# Shift y left by 7 and take the bitwise and of 2636928640
y = y ^ y << 7 & 2636928640
# Shift y left by 15 and take the bitwise and of y and 4022730752
y = y ^ y << 15 & 4022730752
# Right shift by 18 bits
y = y ^ y >> 18
self.index = self.index + 1
return _int32(y)
def twist(self):
for i in range(0, 624):
# Get the most significant bit and add it to the less significant
# bits of the next number
y = _int32((self.mt & 0x80000000) +
(self.mt[(i + 1) % 624] & 0x7fffffff))
self.mt = self.mt[(i + 397) % 624] ^ y >> 1
if y % 2 != 0:
self.mt = self.mt ^ 0x9908b0df
self.index = 0
// Create a length n array to store the state of the generator
int[0..n-1] MT
int index := n+1
const int lower_mask = (1 << r) - 1 // That is, the binary number of r 1's
const int upper_mask = lowest w bits of (not lower_mask)
// Initialize the generator from a seed
function seed_mt(int seed) {
Or this?
index := n
MT[0] := seed
for i from 1 to (n - 1) { // loop over each element
MT := lowest w bits of (f * (MT[i-1] xor (MT[i-1] >> (w-2))) + i)
}
}
// Extract a tempered value based on MT[index]
// calling twist() every n numbers
function extract_number() {
if index >= n {
if index > n {
error "Generator was never seeded"
// Alternatively, seed with constant value; 5489 is used in reference C code[45]
}
twist()
}
int y := MT[index]
y := y xor ((y >> u) and d)
y := y xor ((y << s) and b)
y := y xor ((y << t) and c)
y := y xor (y >> l)
index := index + 1
return lowest w bits of (y)
}
// Generate the next n values from the series x_i
function twist() {
for i from 0 to (n-1) {
int x := (MT and upper_mask)
+ (MT[(i+1) mod n] and lower_mask)
int xA := x >> 1
if (x mod 2) != 0 { // lowest bit of x is 1
xA := xA xor a
}
MT := MT[(i + m) mod n] xor xA
}
index := 0
}
Or this?
def _int32(x):
# Get the 32 least significant bits.
return int(0xFFFFFFFF & x)
class MT19937:
def __init__(self, seed):
# Initialize the index to 0
self.index = 624
self.mt =
- * 624
for i in range(1, 624):
self.mt = _int32(
1812433253 * (self.mt[i - 1] ^ self.mt[i - 1] >> 30) + i)
def extract_number(self):
if self.index >= 624:
self.twist()
y = self.mt[self.index]
# Right shift by 11 bits
y = y ^ y >> 11
# Shift y left by 7 and take the bitwise and of 2636928640
y = y ^ y << 7 & 2636928640
# Shift y left by 15 and take the bitwise and of y and 4022730752
y = y ^ y << 15 & 4022730752
# Right shift by 18 bits
y = y ^ y >> 18
self.index = self.index + 1
return _int32(y)
def twist(self):
for i in range(0, 624):
# Get the most significant bit and add it to the less significant
# bits of the next number
y = _int32((self.mt & 0x80000000) +
(self.mt[(i + 1) % 624] & 0x7fffffff))
self.mt = self.mt[(i + 397) % 624] ^ y >> 1
if y % 2 != 0:
self.mt = self.mt ^ 0x9908b0df
self.index = 0
It's a scam, so dont be stupid by depositing your money there. I'm beeing constantly asked "prove" it, the only way to "prove" it in, you would need
1. a group of professional and experienced web designers/developers and programmers (which ironically, the operators of all these gambling sites just happen to be
2. Full administrative acess to the site
For the reasons listed above, it can not be other wise proven in technical terms, at least not by me.
1. a group of professional and experienced web designers/developers and programmers (which ironically, the operators of all these gambling sites just happen to be
2. Full administrative acess to the site
For the reasons listed above, it can not be other wise proven in technical terms, at least not by me.
this website confirmed scam?
I try register account and never found sign up link anywhere
dead?
As soon as you visit the website an account is created for you. It has a random username that you can change, and you can also set a password for your account. There's no need on the website for a sign up link so they didn't include one. I try register account and never found sign up link anywhere
dead?
this website confirmed scam?
I try register account and never found sign up link anywhere
dead?
I try register account and never found sign up link anywhere
dead?
Actually, it proves nothing there is a way to minipulate the outcome. It maybe true that the seed is randomly generated, but its generated by the operator. While he mught not actually program the seed for the outcome directly, he can still minipulate it in othwer ways. "You can check that the server_seed was not changed after making the bet" but not before
there is a way to minipulate the outcome. It maybe true that the seed is randomly generated, but its generated by the operator. While he mught not actually program the seed for the outcome directly, he can still minipulate it in othwer ways. "You can check that the server_seed was not changed after making the bet" but not before i can not explain how they are exactly manipulating, my acknowledge is limited in this space.
Maybe you shouldn't be making these accusations if you don't know how bitcoin casinos, and their seeds work. NLNico disproved this scam theory on the first page of this thread.
We can argue about this till the sun explodes, fact remains its rigged. And rollin isnt the only one. The site/s are operated by computer engineer/s and web developer/s, and not actual gamblers, loan shark or bookies. Its true, i can not explain how they are exactly manipulating, my acknowledge is limited in this space.
Rollin.io is not a scam they are one of the larger bitcoin dice sites I have never had a problem with them, there faucet system is really good too the reward increases the more you roll.
Haha, it dosent matter what you think or post, bitcointalk will delete your comments if it conflicts with their personal point of view.
Its rigged end of story. And rollin isn't the only one.
tl;dr you are a potatoIn case you didn't get the hint, I was mocking your stupidity and ignorance even when all the evidence and proofs are presented
The random seed is not even used in the roll result.
How about you actually do some reading before making these useless idiotic posts?
How about you actually do some reading before making these useless idiotic posts?
No its not, the seed is not generated until the bet is placed. You people scammed and stole millions.
... the fact remains, that the operator can see your bid, and yet hes the one that generating "random" and "encrypted" seed there after. You dont see anything strange with that? That the "random" seed is generated only after you place a bid, while he knows your exact bid and the ammount!
That is wrong. The random seed is generated before you place your bet. It is part of the hash that you get in advance. There is no way for Rollin to modify this seed without you noticing (if you verify your bets.)
I begg to differ, it was childish to bring up an old issue that was previously clarified some time ago. In any case, they throwing around all rhis technical mumbo jumbo jargon, but the fact remains, that the operator can see your bid, and yet hes the one that generating "random" and "encrypted" seed there after. You dont see anything strange with that? That the "random" seed is generated only after you place a bid, while he knows your exact bid and the ammount!
This only show's how immature you are by even trying to imply that i waste my time by starting silly and useless threads on online forums.
You sure have to work on your english mate, because your definition of "immature" is just wrong. Talk abut starting the same argument when the answers are in the previous page. Jump to: