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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 08, 2022, 12:52:38 PM

the safest way would probably use a system where data is stored briefly in a cryptographic way and deleted after verification
but I bet most of the websites store it indefinitely.

The regulations I know about KYC (and which are valid in the EU, for example) require exactly that, yes. Companies like Roobet are not allowed to do the checks themselves, but KYC is done by an external and certified company. However, since Roobet is not based in the EU, I do not know if this also applies here.
But the main thing is: the data would have to be deleted immediately after the review and may not be kept. Whether anyone adheres to this is of course another question ...

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 07, 2022, 11:03:25 PM

Quote from: vv181 on June 06, 2022, 08:05:12 PM

If it doesn't have any SSL/TLS or only HTTP, not HTTPS, which is more known. Then anyone who monitors the network can see whatever data is being sent, including ISP, governments, NSA, Hacker, or any adversaries you can name.

As far as I know, highly sensitive data may only be transmitted between different parties via extra-secured data channels, and in addition to HTTPS - which is of course mandatory - separate encryption and certificates are also used or, in extreme cases, must even be transmitted offline.

For sure, in an extreme case, if I'm not mistaken either CIA or NSA have a private network which is inaccessible to the world but only between departments. And offline storage is also plausible, that is what some of us have been doing when using cold storage wallets.

To not make the term any data too broad, merely using TLS/SSL(HTTPS) to transmit user personal data to the server(Roobet&3rd-party) is safe enough.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 07, 2022, 07:00:31 PM

This has to do with the issue of acceptance and it is very common, I know that the issue of privacy and anonymity is something that many always want to keep, what happened is that in Rootbet as in any casino platform they have their rules and it is That is why the T&C are so important and infallible to read, which, sometimes we do not read because we want to play quickly on the platform to enjoy the games, and when a certain security scheme needs to be passed, it is when we run into a level of KYC, which is necessary for them, that's where we have to have the maturity to do it or just accept that we can't have more fun here, it's a matter of acceptance, well that's how I see it.

In the end, suspensions often occur due to user carelessness when registering. If dealing with KYC is indeed hard to avoid, now it is back to the gambler whether he reads all the rules or not. Like most people here, people tend to focus on the tantalizing game and don't pay attention to the rules as a whole. It is a bad tradition to continue to complicate gambling because of the negligence of the players. Casinos have followed the rules to operate safely, although crypto gambling is now tied to KYC which is quite contradictory. But again, there are plenty of options to choose from if you're not willing to provide data.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 08, 2022, 12:48:49 AM

if we happen to be a user of the platform listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_data_breaches
https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches

I don't think our personal data is still safe. Breaches and hacks happen even with the most secure platform. So I think we shouldn't be concerned about KYC and possible data leak if ever someone successfully hacked the Roobet database. As far as we are concerned, I believe Roobet will safeguard its users' data. They are in a business and they don't want to lose any clients due to the data hacking incident. But let us understand, as businesses complying with the authority's regulation, they must implement the needed procedure so that they can operate in peace. It is either we cooperate or stop playing, the choice is ours to make, yes?

the safest way would probably use a system where data is stored briefly in a cryptographic way and deleted after verification
but I bet most of the websites store it indefinitely.

there's a third option for them: to decide not to comply and go decentralized / anonymous teams, but of course they'll end up losing market share if opting to go this way.

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Quote from: aysg76 on June 08, 2022, 05:01:39 AM

Maybe end to end encryption channels are used but if the government are interested in having those data they will impose many restrictions in order to have that data but i think Roobet has previously also stated that your data is safe with them and not shared with anyone.Security protocol must be followed but we should be careful at our end also.

When you sent and submitted your identity documents for KYC, you should accept that your identity documeng lost forever. It can be leaked or breached anytime in future. You can not control that and even a platform on which you submit your document can not control it completely too.

So afford personal data breach before you do KYC. A good platform will invest into security which is helpful to prevent data breach. However, they can not secure their database 100%.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 07, 2022, 11:03:25 PM

Quote from: vv181 on June 06, 2022, 08:05:12 PM

If it doesn't have any SSL/TLS or only HTTP, not HTTPS, which is more known. Then anyone who monitors the network can see whatever data is being sent, including ISP, governments, NSA, Hacker, or any adversaries you can name.

As far as I know, highly sensitive data may only be transmitted between different parties via extra-secured data channels, and in addition to HTTPS - which is of course mandatory - separate encryption and certificates are also used or, in extreme cases, must even be transmitted offline. I don't know exactly what this looks like at Roobet, but it would of course be very interesting.

Maybe end to end encryption channels are used but if the government are interested in having those data they will impose many restrictions in order to have that data but i think Roobet has previously also stated that your data is safe with them and not shared with anyone.Security protocol must be followed but we should be careful at our end also.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 08, 2022, 01:33:35 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on June 08, 2022, 12:48:49 AM

I don't think our personal data is still safe. Breaches and hacks happen even with the most secure platform. So I think we shouldn't be concerned about KYC and possible data leak if ever someone successfully hacked the Roobet database.

Your reasoning makes zero sense. You are basically saying that we should submit our KYC since data breaches happen even to the most secure platforms. Silly logic.

Don't cut the sentence

Take my reply as a whole because it may lead to misunderstanding. And yes it makes a silly logic if you make it look that way. Another thing, we should submit our KYC if we intend to play in a platform that requires it.

Quote from: serjent05 on June 08, 2022, 12:48:49 AM

if we happen to be a user of the platform listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_data_breaches
https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches

I don't think our personal data is still safe. Breaches and hacks happen even with the most secure platform. So I think we shouldn't be concerned about KYC and possible data leak if ever someone successfully hacked the Roobet database. As far as we are concerned, I believe Roobet will safeguard its users' data. They are in a business and they don't want to lose any clients due to the data hacking incident. But let us understand, as businesses complying with the authority's regulation, they must implement the needed procedure so that they can operate in peace. It is either we cooperate or stop playing, the choice is ours to make, yes?

This reply is implying that if you are a registered user of a site that has been data breached, and your personal data had been gathered, it doesn't make any change if another site that has your data got hacked again. Since the hacker already had your personal data on the first hack. While giving confidence in the next sentence that Roobet will safeguard its users' information

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Quote from: Taskford on June 07, 2022, 07:25:32 PM

Those legit platform has been required to pass a KYC requirements to their users because they are dealing money with them that's why its better that now we should trust platforms ask KYC especially they are old enough and been tusted by so many years of existence. Most provably Roobet are protecting their users privacy as well their business so I guess we are in low risk for submitting what roobet require to us.

All legit platforms don't require KYC in any form currently. Most of them request KYC only if they detect something suspicious related to your account or if you win big. On the other hand, Roobet made it mandatory while registering which sucks to be honest.

I agree that the risk is low due to Roobet's top-notch security protocols, but it's still there and it isn't impossible to hack them or anything.

Quote from: serjent05 on June 08, 2022, 12:48:49 AM

I don't think our personal data is still safe. Breaches and hacks happen even with the most secure platform. So I think we shouldn't be concerned about KYC and possible data leak if ever someone successfully hacked the Roobet database.

Your reasoning makes zero sense. You are basically saying that we should submit our KYC since data breaches happen even to the most secure platforms. Silly logic.

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if we happen to be a user of the platform listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_data_breaches
https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches

I don't think our personal data is still safe. Breaches and hacks happen even with the most secure platform. So I think we shouldn't be concerned about KYC and possible data leak if ever someone successfully hacked the Roobet database. As far as we are concerned, I believe Roobet will safeguard its users' data. They are in a business and they don't want to lose any clients due to the data hacking incident. But let us understand, as businesses complying with the authority's regulation, they must implement the needed procedure so that they can operate in peace. It is either we cooperate or stop playing, the choice is ours to make, yes?

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Quote from: vv181 on June 06, 2022, 08:05:12 PM

If it doesn't have any SSL/TLS or only HTTP, not HTTPS, which is more known. Then anyone who monitors the network can see whatever data is being sent, including ISP, governments, NSA, Hacker, or any adversaries you can name.

As far as I know, highly sensitive data may only be transmitted between different parties via extra-secured data channels, and in addition to HTTPS - which is of course mandatory - separate encryption and certificates are also used or, in extreme cases, must even be transmitted offline. I don't know exactly what this looks like at Roobet, but it would of course be very interesting.

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Quote from: aysg76 on May 30, 2022, 07:55:29 AM

As it can be seen from the image they are addressing Ontario players which means they already have players from there who are enjoying their time over there so it's all available in there information page.

And the fact that Roobet addresses the regulation compliance over there should give assurance to the community, we can say that it means that Roobet will follow any regulation that is needed. If some users didn't comfortable passing the KYC level 1 which is required on here, well, unfortunately, they simply shouldn't play on here or try to figure the other way around.

This has to do with the issue of acceptance and it is very common, I know that the issue of privacy and anonymity is something that many always want to keep, what happened is that in Rootbet as in any casino platform they have their rules and it is That is why the T&C are so important and infallible to read, which, sometimes we do not read because we want to play quickly on the platform to enjoy the games, and when a certain security scheme needs to be passed, it is when we run into a level of KYC, which is necessary for them, that's where we have to have the maturity to do it or just accept that we can't have more fun here, it's a matter of acceptance, well that's how I see it.

Before crypto is all about anonymity but since we want to see crypto growing and be adopted also in legal ways then expect KYC is also included on all of that because by its growing adoption for sure many rules changes over the years. Those legit platform has been required to pass a KYC requirements to their users because they are dealing money with them that's why its better that now we should trust platforms ask KYC especially they are old enough and been tusted by so many years of existence. Most provably Roobet are protecting their users privacy as well their business so I guess we are in low risk for submitting what roobet require to us.

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Quote from: vv181 on May 31, 2022, 12:52:11 PM

Quote from: aysg76 on May 30, 2022, 07:55:29 AM

As it can be seen from the image they are addressing Ontario players which means they already have players from there who are enjoying their time over there so it's all available in there information page.

And the fact that Roobet addresses the regulation compliance over there should give assurance to the community, we can say that it means that Roobet will follow any regulation that is needed. If some users didn't comfortable passing the KYC level 1 which is required on here, well, unfortunately, they simply shouldn't play on here or try to figure the other way around.

This has to do with the issue of acceptance and it is very common, I know that the issue of privacy and anonymity is something that many always want to keep, what happened is that in Rootbet as in any casino platform they have their rules and it is That is why the T&C are so important and infallible to read, which, sometimes we do not read because we want to play quickly on the platform to enjoy the games, and when a certain security scheme needs to be passed, it is when we run into a level of KYC, which is necessary for them, that's where we have to have the maturity to do it or just accept that we can't have more fun here, it's a matter of acceptance, well that's how I see it.

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Quote from: arwin100 on June 06, 2022, 06:54:23 AM

Compare to any other casino which is not been tested over the years I can also say that its quite safe to provide KYC in roobet because their reputation is good assurance that they will not rug or endanger us by leaking our data's in any forums or anywhere. For sure in future many platform will require this before registration on every legit casino so people needs to accept it but take precaution and only do it on reputable casino not with those risky our shady ones.

The comparison to Roobet to some unknown casino would make sense, in that situation you should be giving your KYC to roobet instead of gambling in an unknown brand new casino that doesn't ask your KYC, that is understandable. However, if we are talking about known places, that do not ask your KYC as well, then it gets a bit more difficult to make a decision.

I am not saying that leave roobet, but I have to say that roobet has a big difficult choice to make and people have the same choice as well. I am not going to name any names because it is a shady thing to do, but there is a HUGE casino in crypto that doesn't ask your KYC for example, roobet needs to give a reason to come here and give it and gamble here.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 03, 2022, 07:30:47 AM

Quote from: dezoel on June 02, 2022, 09:41:23 AM

KYC has been a thing I disliked and forced into as well, and I dislike it and wish it never happened as well.

I don't think anyone here enjoys KYC, especially not in our "crypot space" where anonymity and independence are very important - otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Roobet has certainly not introduced KYC because they would like to have it so much, but most likely have to perform KYC in order to be allowed to operate their website at all.
I also fear that KYC will become more and more the standard. First crypto exchanges already refuse the deposit of coins from unregulated gambling platforms (or if the user can't prove where they come from).

it'll be a tug of war game with governments asking for more regulation, some websites specially the biggest ones who want to comply and add users and revenue (but not so worried about principles) will just comply and this will open up a huge parallel market making strong DEXes and descentralized casinos for those who wish to remain private.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 06, 2022, 06:11:00 AM

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 06, 2022, 03:28:20 AM

I feel that it’s safe to share KYC data with Roobet, because they’re taking extra precautions for protecting the user’s KYC details eg using 256 bit encryption, hence there’s very little chance of KYC details ever getting leaked.

The 256-bit encryption isn't an extra precaution but it is pretty much an industry standard, it's being widely used. You can see that Roobet is using it for the SSL/TLS, so it is surely safe in terms of transmitting any data.

Hardly anyone will attack the transport route itself if someone wants to access the data. The encryption of the transmission path therefore plays no/hardly any role. ~

SSL/TLS is the tip of the iceberg regarding security concerns, but surely it does what it needed to do to protect how the data being transmitted. And by what I mean about data is any information that you shared or will share with Roobet and to/within its third party.

If it doesn't have any SSL/TLS or only HTTP, not HTTPS, which is more known. Then anyone who monitors the network can see whatever data is being sent, including ISP, governments, NSA, Hacker, or any adversaries you can name.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 06, 2022, 07:56:36 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on June 06, 2022, 06:54:23 AM

Compare to any other casino which is not been tested over the years I can also say that its quite safe to provide KYC in roobet because their reputation is good assurance that they will not rug or endanger us by leaking our data's in any forums or anywhere.

Even if I trust Roobet 100% and consider my data "safe" at Roobet, this is by no means a guarantee that the data cannot be stolen. There are a lot of possibilities what could happen without Roobet being able to take countermeasures, e.g. a deliberate leak of an administrator.

What I want to say is that even if the reputation of a casino is good, you should never assume that the data is safe and nothing can happen to the data.

That’s collateral damage for our data and no one can really assure the safety of same. It’s not in the Roobets hand whether there is data leak due to an human error or hacks and shit. Well in all these may be they can overcome human errors and have well paid staff to create safe heaven for us but other stuff can always happen. We have seen examples on different sites like exchangers with their 2FA and their over added extra layer of security also had breaches.

But as casino site I’m pretty sure roobet is taking well care of our data and privacy. I can vouch for that too and let’s hope this continues Forever.

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Quote from: arwin100 on June 06, 2022, 06:54:23 AM

Compare to any other casino which is not been tested over the years I can also say that its quite safe to provide KYC in roobet because their reputation is good assurance that they will not rug or endanger us by leaking our data's in any forums or anywhere.

Even if I trust Roobet 100% and consider my data "safe" at Roobet, this is by no means a guarantee that the data cannot be stolen. There are a lot of possibilities what could happen without Roobet being able to take countermeasures, e.g. a deliberate leak of an administrator.

What I want to say is that even if the reputation of a casino is good, you should never assume that the data is safe and nothing can happen to the data.

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KYC is not really a problem because we need to live with it since most provably in future we will deal this on legit platforn where we want to go. And since Roobet has proven for so many times that they are one of the best casino then providing little personal detals will provably fine to its existing users. I will be worried about this if unknown or unreputable ask about this since I don't trust anything new and directly ask for your identity.

Talking about being legit, there is no denying that Roobet is a legit Casino, but when it comes to KYC, we must be prepared for anything that might happen in the future, such as our data being leaked, either because the website was hacked or the platform itself misused user data. Agreed in the future KYC will be something hard to avoid.

Even the casino didn't want that but to comply the rules they have to enforce such requirements so they can operate and this is business so they just want to give smooth user experience also complying all the regulations needed. Anything in the internet can be leaked because even the most secured website hacked twice if I am not wrong so we have to be prepared when we are agreeing those KYC terms who knows in future these government will enforce more KYC which completely may take someone's privacy.

I feel that it’s safe to share KYC data with Roobet, because they’re taking extra precautions for protecting the user’s KYC details eg using 256 bit encryption, hence there’s very little chance of KYC details ever getting leaked. Furthermore as rightly said above we can’t escape KYC, but if a casino in this case Roobet has proper mechanism to safeguard our KYC details then there’s no harm in sharing it with them.

Compare to any other casino which is not been tested over the years I can also say that its quite safe to provide KYC in roobet because their reputation is good assurance that they will not rug or endanger us by leaking our data's in any forums or anywhere. For sure in future many platform will require this before registration on every legit casino so people needs to accept it but take precaution and only do it on reputable casino not with those risky our shady ones.

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Quote from: vv181 on June 06, 2022, 05:25:42 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on June 06, 2022, 03:28:20 AM

I feel that it’s safe to share KYC data with Roobet, because they’re taking extra precautions for protecting the user’s KYC details eg using 256 bit encryption, hence there’s very little chance of KYC details ever getting leaked.

The 256-bit encryption isn't an extra precaution but it is pretty much an industry standard, it's being widely used. You can see that Roobet is using it for the SSL/TLS, so it is surely safe in terms of transmitting any data.

Hardly anyone will attack the transport route itself if someone wants to access the data. The encryption of the transmission path therefore plays no/hardly any role. In the past, major hacks always took place in such a way that someone was able to gain access to the system and tapped the raw data there.

Roobet does not store the KYC data in plain text but encrypts it again, but this is not something that Roobet came up with on its own but is required when handling KYC data.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 06, 2022, 03:28:20 AM

I feel that it’s safe to share KYC data with Roobet, because they’re taking extra precautions for protecting the user’s KYC details eg using 256 bit encryption, hence there’s very little chance of KYC details ever getting leaked.

The 256-bit encryption isn't an extra precaution but it is pretty much an industry standard, it's being widely used. You can see that Roobet is using it for the SSL/TLS, so it is surely safe in terms of transmitting any data.

Quote from: Juggy777 on June 06, 2022, 03:28:20 AM

if a casino in this case Roobet has proper mechanism to safeguard our KYC details then there’s no harm in sharing it with them.

Pretty naive to say there is no harm, there is always a risk for everything that is shared online on any site.

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