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400 million wagered
5% house edge = 20 million "revenue"
So we can only know their estimated/theoretical revenue for a 5% edge, not profits.

it's a shitty formula by the way.
I do not have anything to go against the numbers because they can do marketing as much as they want yet I wouldn't really feel comfortable with playing at a 5% house edge place. Now there is one other place that I play and has 5% house edge but what they give away is something more lucrative for me than what this place offers, they are not even remotely close to each other neither.

I would say this is actually one of the best number ratio I have seen with 2 dollars per bet average; that is a LOT compared to other places with few cents since people like playing with few satoshis only.
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I need a small help regarding verification of my bets in Crash. I checked the Fairness Page. It was mentioned as below-
Quote
To verify this, you can input the Server Seed to your game in the code below, and you should see the server seeds and game results for the previous 100 games.
Code:
const crypto = require("crypto");

const crashHash = "";
// Hash from bitcoin block #610546. Public seed event: https://twitter.com/Roobet/status/1211800855223123968
const salt = "0000000000000000000fa3b65e43e4240d71762a5bf397d5304b2596d116859c";

function saltHash(hash) {
  return crypto
    .createHmac("sha256", hash)
    .update(salt)
    .digest("hex");
}

function generateHash(seed) {
  return crypto
    .createHash("sha256")
    .update(seed)
    .digest("hex");
}

function divisible(hash, mod) {
  // We will read in 4 hex at a time, but the first chunk might be a bit smaller
  // So ABCDEFGHIJ should be chunked like  AB CDEF GHIJ
  var val = 0;

  var o = hash.length % 4;
  for (var i = o > 0 ? o - 4 : 0; i < hash.length; i += 4) {
    val = ((val << 16) + parseInt(hash.substring(i, i + 4), 16)) % mod;
  }

  return val === 0;
}

function crashPointFromHash(serverSeed) {
  const hash = crypto
    .createHmac("sha256", serverSeed)
    .update(salt)
    .digest("hex");

  const hs = parseInt(100 / 4);
  if (divisible(hash, hs)) {
    return 1;
  }

  const h = parseInt(hash.slice(0, 52 / 4), 16);
  const e = Math.pow(2, 52);

  return Math.floor((100 * e - h) / (e - h)) / 100.0;
}

function getPreviousGames() {
  const previousGames = [];
  let gameHash = generateHash(crashHash);

  for (let i = 0; i < 100; i++) {
    const gameResult = crashPointFromHash(gameHash);
    previousGames.push({ gameHash, gameResult });
    gameHash = generateHash(gameHash);
  }

  return previousGames;
}

function verifyCrash() {
  const gameResult = crashPointFromHash(crashHash);
  const previousHundredGames = getPreviousGames();

  return { gameResult, previousHundredGames };
}

console.log(verifyCrash());


The problem is, I don't know where to enter the Server seed of my bet to get the result. Can someone please help Embarrassed
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This isn't bad by the way, nobody has to defend like you guys are trying to justify their huge profit. No, on contrary this is awesome for them!
For me, almost all marketing is just BS, including what you see on the TV.

Nobody defending anything in this thread. I'm just pointing out:
- to jack up total wagered is easy as long as they keep paying streamers/gamblers to play;
- since they aren't a public company, no way we can know their profits;
- this xxx million wagered is just a marketing gimmick, no one pays attention to it anymore except game-protex lol. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51382138
- when you are in doubt, go to twitch > slots and see how much actual $$$ wagered there.

20 million profit
Wait wut? With your logic:

400 million wagered
5% house edge = 20 million "revenue"
So we can only know their estimated/theoretical revenue for a 5% edge, not profits.

it's a shitty formula by the way.
legendary
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^Doesn't matter if they are giving away too much or not, like give 10k per month away if you want, that is nothing even close to 20 million profit so far, how long has this website existed? At most a bit over a year? First post was by November 2019 which is not even a year old, so you are telling me a website that has been in existence for around 8 months made 20 million dollars in revenue and "that is normal because they also give back a lot"?

I mean they are making on average 2.5 million dollars in revenue PER MONTH, that means they could be giving away 2 million dollars per month, TWO MILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH and still would have half a million dollars left to them. And you are talking about 4k paid for guess the slot or 2.5k for art contest, I am sorry but that is nothing at all to them.

This isn't bad by the way, nobody has to defend like you guys are trying to justify their huge profit. No, on contrary this is awesome for them! I mean a casino means to make a profit right? They are not a charity. So, making 2.5 million dollars revenue on average is just a way to show how successful they are!
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Over 400 million dollars wagered? With around 5% house edge that is 20 million dollars estimated winnings. I am not saying that is what it is because there are people who get too lucky and get too unlucky as well but that is projected earning of this website.

Jesus Christ I knew roobet is a big place but 200 million bets on 400 million dollars means on average 2 dollars per bet, sure there were people who wagered few cents but that means there must be people who wagered hundreds even thousands of dollars quite commonly as well. I am not saying I do not believe the numbers because I do not have anything against roobet and wouldn't really care if it was true or not, but to say that there is projected 20 million dollars revenue (not profit) it means this website is one of the most high earning ones out there.
It's about $1.5 million - $2.5 million wagered per day currently, or
$1,041 - $1,736 wager per minute. This figure is huge but considered they have 900+ slots title and massive "free money" for contests winner and streamers, I wouldn't be so surprised.
To jack up the wagered figure is easy if they manage to keep the prize money available. If you go to twitch right now (or anytime), there are many players who use the Roobet site on live streaming.

The question is, is this kind of promotion yield net negative or net positive from their side...
legendary
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to say that there is projected 20 million dollars revenue (not profit) it means this website is one of the most high earning ones out there.

They also give back alot to the community so that number could be 'accurate'

They started alot of promotions on this forum and put high prizepool in each of that promotions

Here is June's rough rundown that I made myself

  • almost $4000 paid for the Guess the Slot challenge up until now and it is still continuing
  • over $700 paid in Roobet's Tower Challenge
  • over $450 paid for Total Wager challenge
  • probably close / over $1000 paid in their Youtube Review, the thread got tons of people swarming with their videos
  • This one is still ongoing with $2500 prizepool, Roobet Art Contest

P.S : I may have missed few others or even made some error in those numbers but this is just a rough rundown that I made myself. This of course exclude their signature campaign which has run since 17th March , also their past contest and their separate contest/event on their own site



Edit : Should be close to $1000 for their Crash Challenge which has ended , I kinda forgot the exact number
legendary
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Over 400 million dollars wagered? With around 5% house edge that is 20 million dollars estimated winnings. I am not saying that is what it is because there are people who get too lucky and get too unlucky as well but that is projected earning of this website.

Jesus Christ I knew roobet is a big place but 200 million bets on 400 million dollars means on average 2 dollars per bet, sure there were people who wagered few cents but that means there must be people who wagered hundreds even thousands of dollars quite commonly as well. I am not saying I do not believe the numbers because I do not have anything against roobet and wouldn't really care if it was true or not, but to say that there is projected 20 million dollars revenue (not profit) it means this website is one of the most high earning ones out there.
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yeah but it says play anonymous in op of this thread.  just wondering which one is mistake because it cant be both.
It's not anonymous in the IP (VPN/Tor) sense, but about the bet placed can be hidden from the public.

For example:


No one will know that I won the 349.55x if I didn't post it here.
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in op it says play anonymously but in my account it has place to upload documents.  is it really anonymous or do you need copy of my id to cashout?
Well, it is common to a gambling site that has required KYC if you are wanted to withdraw a huge amount. But if that is a small amount, KYC is not needed just like what @mu_enrico said above, there is no problem with the small amount.
Perhaps you did not read the AML Policy of Roobet. Read this carefully and perhaps you skipped this before you posted it here.

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Step three verification: AML 2

Step three verification, verification of the source of funds, must be done by every user which deposit over 5000$ (five thousand Dollar) or withdraws over 5000$ (five thousand Dollar) or sends another user over 3000$ (three thousand Dollar), over the period of 24 months.

yeah but it says play anonymous in op of this thread.  just wondering which one is mistake because it cant be both.



legendary
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Before roobet response to the issue, the victim needs to provide the problem with the current date. Just skipped this assumption dude, he already said no need community to help them.

So, let this case go and just mark the case only for a bunch a troll who wants to destroy some reputation casino. If you help them, wait until he saying to you stupid and other things XD. I already don't want to help him, also other people too.

Keep talking about his problem, only make him a fame.
legendary
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Alright, no need to pay attention to that accusation as there is not enough evidence yet that Roobet has scammed him. As of now, I have not yet to read a case that Roobet can claim to be a scam. Anyway, to me, that would only depend on a gambler if he relies heavily on a casino. But of course, it is not uncommon for others to think about the risks of such platforms based on past of other casinos. Maybe just avoid comparing it to an old casino because they are not the same. This does not mean that other casinos have become scams and it will be scams as well.
We still didn't manage to get roobet to talk about this? I mean that would be the important part because they are the only ones who can give a proper response to it, we can assume and assume all day and all night long and even one guy is already bored from talking about it, yet roobet hasn't responded with anything just yet. This should either be over when all of us feel bored about the subject which I feel like I won't for a little more while, or it should be over when roobet actually comes in and talks about the situation.

I think if we can PM them or just tell them on support or anywhere to come here and read the numbers and just give us a response, they might realize something is going on here and they will come here to respond to it as well, not sure if they would want to but it worths a shot.
legendary
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If the total number of players on the provider is equal, why the difference is so big?

Seems that you do not understand my previous post correctly.
The number of players on provider is obviously equal as it uses the same server (Evolutiongaming).
But the number shown on each sites can be different depends on how many games and how many tables are provided by the sites.
I suggest you to compare more sites that provides Evolution games such as fortunejack.
Do not only watch the total number of online players but also check the provided games.
1 missing table/game may give some difference already.
OK I think it is enough to talk about this, I still in my opinion that the number is a number of online player worldwide based on the provided games by each site.
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Maybe you have checked one table and this is a normal average for a single table.

Check here:

First is Pinnacle account and second SS is from Roobet:


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On unlimited tables, even 1 million people can bet at the same time because AI handles all that traffic less than 20 seconds which equates to every player.
Jesus Christ it really shows that! I thought I was looking at the right page, but now that I am looking at the page you suggested it really shows like that. Maybe it is like a combination of places and the combined number? Because, that seems like the only reasonable explanation to this, I doubt roobet would ever get 20k+ people on their website but when I check that page it shows 21k now.

It is really weird, I think they are probably showing number of players on the providers page and all the other places that uses the same provider, so if that is the combination of all the places that uses the same provider, that means that could be 20k+ it makes total sense and totally believable. But if this is roobet claiming that they have 20k+ , that is something really weird and something they would have to prove somehow.
I asked this question because I have seen the similar situation on the different gambling platforms. The access shouldn't be easy for all unregulated or regulated casinos, the conditions for joining have to be different based on the reputation of specific casinos, IMHO.
I know one casino which uses the copied data of other website and the same logic can be applied. After the disconnection from live game table, the new page forwards me to the different domains which is weird.


Btw, there are more than 57000 online players from Roobet which is impossible, is there any "merge" with other casinos(sharing the pool)? I ask because the Pinnacle sports has the 13000 max online players at the same time, I don't think the users of Pinnacle is less than Roobet.

Where did you find this number? Was it the one that you see once you open the Blackjack game by Evolution which is located on the top right next to the "Show Chat" button?
If so, IMO it is a total number of online players who play the game worldwide since Evolution is one of gaming providers where you can find it on hundreds or even thousands online casinos out there.
So that number does not show the number of online players from roobet only. Correct me if I'm wrong about it.
Yes, at the right side of window for pc, for mobile users at the bottom of the browser.
I don't think so, the difference is big and noticeable.

Didn't you notice that there is also difference in case of the available games?
Based on your screenshot of the pinnacle there are: Top Games, Roulette, Blackjack, Baccarat, Poker, Game Shows
And on roobet there are some more categories such as Sic Bo, Native Roulette, Dual Play.
IMO this is the one that make the difference of the online users number is big because pinnacle do not take the all games by Evolution.
All in all I still believe that the number we are talking about is the number of online users worldwide.
I did check the one on Fortunejack, the difference is not that big.
If the total number of players on the provider is equal, why the difference is so big? I am sure even if some of Blackjack tables are delisted from the mentioned websites, the difference have to be around ~200 max ~300 not in thousands. Convince me if you think otherwise.

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--snipped

Maybe you have checked one table and this is a normal average for a single table.

Check here:

First is Pinnacle account and second SS is from Roobet:


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On unlimited tables, even 1 million people can bet at the same time because AI handles all that traffic less than 20 seconds which equates to every player.
Jesus Christ it really shows that! I thought I was looking at the right page, but now that I am looking at the page you suggested it really shows like that. Maybe it is like a combination of places and the combined number? Because, that seems like the only reasonable explanation to this, I doubt roobet would ever get 20k+ people on their website but when I check that page it shows 21k now.

It is really weird, I think they are probably showing number of players on the providers page and all the other places that uses the same provider, so if that is the combination of all the places that uses the same provider, that means that could be 20k+ it makes total sense and totally believable. But if this is roobet claiming that they have 20k+ , that is something really weird and something they would have to prove somehow.
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in op it says play anonymously but in my account it has place to upload documents.  is it really anonymous or do you need copy of my id to cashout?
Well, it is common to a gambling site that has required KYC if you are wanted to withdraw a huge amount. But if that is a small amount, KYC is not needed just like what @mu_enrico said above, there is no problem with the small amount.
Perhaps you did not read the AML Policy of Roobet. Read this carefully and perhaps you skipped this before you posted it here.

Quote
Step three verification: AML 2

Step three verification, verification of the source of funds, must be done by every user which deposit over 5000$ (five thousand Dollar) or withdraws over 5000$ (five thousand Dollar) or sends another user over 3000$ (three thousand Dollar), over the period of 24 months.
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in op it says play anonymously but in my account it has place to upload documents.  is it really anonymous or do you need copy of my id to cashout?
I can cash out without uploading such documents. I think it's because I only withdrew a small amount of money.
If you just want to play, let's say <$100 no one will bother to ask your KYC.

Disclaimer: I have no control over the site, so it might not work for you. DWYOR!
legendary
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Btw, there are more than 57000 online players from Roobet which is impossible, is there any "merge" with other casinos(sharing the pool)? I ask because the Pinnacle sports has the 13000 max online players at the same time, I don't think the users of Pinnacle is less than Roobet.

Where did you find this number? Was it the one that you see once you open the Blackjack game by Evolution which is located on the top right next to the "Show Chat" button?
If so, IMO it is a total number of online players who play the game worldwide since Evolution is one of gaming providers where you can find it on hundreds or even thousands online casinos out there.
So that number does not show the number of online players from roobet only. Correct me if I'm wrong about it.
Yes, at the right side of window for pc, for mobile users at the bottom of the browser.
I don't think so, the difference is big and noticeable.

Didn't you notice that there is also difference in case of the available games?
Based on your screenshot of the pinnacle there are: Top Games, Roulette, Blackjack, Baccarat, Poker, Game Shows
And on roobet there are some more categories such as Sic Bo, Native Roulette, Dual Play.
IMO this is the one that make the difference of the online users number is big because pinnacle do not take the all games by Evolution.
All in all I still believe that the number we are talking about is the number of online users worldwide.
I did check the one on Fortunejack, the difference is not that big.
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in op it says play anonymously but in my account it has place to upload documents.  is it really anonymous or do you need copy of my id to cashout?



Source of image: Roobet Terms of Service
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in op it says play anonymously but in my account it has place to upload documents.  is it really anonymous or do you need copy of my id to cashout?
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Why can't I place side bets on the live Blackjack table on Evolution games? Btw, there are more than 57000 online players from Roobet which is impossible, is there any "merge" with other casinos(sharing the pool)? I ask because the Pinnacle sports has the 13000 max online players at the same time, I don't think the users of Pinnacle is less than Roobet.
You need to see a few things.
  • Did you have a balance?
  • You need to see the minimum and maximum balance can be bet.
Each blackjack table have their own rules, some of them can provide unlimited player if you want to be more specific for the rules of each table you should click the "i" button on the table list before joined the table.
1) Yes, of course
2) No one can place side bets without betting on the main hand.
I know each table has specific rules on unlimited Balkcajck games and I have played Blackjack on same table on different websites. That is why I compared Pinnacle and mentioned awkward questions that spin in my mind Smiley


Btw, there are more than 57000 online players from Roobet which is impossible, is there any "merge" with other casinos(sharing the pool)? I ask because the Pinnacle sports has the 13000 max online players at the same time, I don't think the users of Pinnacle is less than Roobet.

Where did you find this number? Was it the one that you see once you open the Blackjack game by Evolution which is located on the top right next to the "Show Chat" button?
If so, IMO it is a total number of online players who play the game worldwide since Evolution is one of gaming providers where you can find it on hundreds or even thousands online casinos out there.
So that number does not show the number of online players from roobet only. Correct me if I'm wrong about it.
Yes, at the right side of window for pc, for mobile users at the bottom of the browser.
I don't think so, the difference is big and noticeable.


^ @StephenJH Could you be mistaking it with 57 people instead of 57k? Because I just checked after I read your message and there was 49 people, which tells me 57 is more likely outcome than 57k. I mean lets be honest 57k is just plain wrong, that is for sure and I do not think that there is any website, casino, anything even if it is mainstream like pokerstars and so forth, do not have 57 THOUSAND people playing there, that's just surreal.

Roobet has a good amount of people gambling at any given moment and by no means they are an empty place, there is always 40+ people for sure in any time zone, so they do not get empty for certain hours and crowded in certain hours, you can go to roobet at any moment and there will be people playing there. However not FIFTY SEVEN THOUSAND people, that would be impossible to handle all that traffic.


Maybe you have checked one table and this is a normal average for a single table.

Check here:

First is Pinnacle account and second SS is from Roobet:


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On unlimited tables, even 1 million people can bet at the same time because AI handles all that traffic less than 20 seconds which equates to every player.
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