Round #5 Users Rewriting/Spinning/Paraphrasing/synonymize

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Quote from: aesma on August 21, 2020, 04:35:33 PM

Except a software/website is doing the spinning, I can't believe it's done manually.

If rewriting should be done en masse, there are paid services, which produce quite readable texts. But fortunately, there are the same services for detecting plagiarism, and on the detection of paraphrasing of texts. Free versions do not do deep searches, but again, if it is very important, then for such services you can pay. And plagiarism will still be discovered.

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Quote from: aesma on August 21, 2020, 04:35:33 PM

Doing that for a long time, he might manage to learn English, you never know !

Except a software/website is doing the spinning, I can't believe it's done manually.

There are many software's available on the internet which do the automatic sniping of texts but in most cases those texts can't be used to post because their grammer is sometimes not correct. It takes additional effort to correct the grammar and re-post it. Just a waste of time in my point of view.

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Doing that for a long time, he might manage to learn English, you never know !

Except a software/website is doing the spinning, I can't believe it's done manually.

LeGaulois

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I reported the user @BTCWALK previously and I see him/her back again today. So, I understand they're not permanently banned but receive some days/weeks. It's a bit surprising to me but well.

Today he/she is back, but do you think the user learned a lesson from the ban? Nope. The first post is a mix of copy-paste and rewriting.
Ahh, giving a second chance... Roll Eyes

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5270464 (archived)
https://cointelegraph.com/news/top-5-cryptocurrencies-to-watch-this-week-btc-eth-eos-xtz-atom

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This act of plagiarism is strictly against this bitcoin forum discussion, this users is mainly here for creating a plagiarised post than commenting naturally and sharing ideas, this is shitty and should be stopped instead.
Again if s(he) had had that talent of creating and fast translating of plagiarised contents, it would have been better for him to make a natural and self post here because talents gives a hints of creating new things out of nothing. He thinks his smarter enough to hide, thanks OP for this decent investigation.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 19, 2020, 06:39:22 PM

Quote from: LeGaulois on July 10, 2020, 08:47:58 AM

An example:

Question: When finding people using text spinners, how do you find the original? I have some ideas as to how to quickly check two sentences to see if they are very "similar" but I am stumped as to how to quickly find the original to check against.

Hi

I take some keywords from their posts and extract the SERP from Google (but mainly from Google news, sometimes from Google alert) in a .txt file and check manually each result.
Sometimes using the topic title is enough Grin

it's the least time consuming thing. Sometimes they spin a whole text but forget to change the title Cheesy

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 19, 2020, 06:39:22 PM

Quote from: LeGaulois on July 10, 2020, 08:47:58 AM

An example:

Question: When finding people using text spinners, how do you find the original? I have some ideas as to how to quickly check two sentences to see if they are very "similar" but I am stumped as to how to quickly find the original to check against.

I think we should not discuss here all the ways of finding plagiarism or paraphrasing texts. Just think about it, that we open all the cards to scammers. Perhaps if someone knows about these methods, he can write you a private message
Just based on the experience of finding fake photos, I know that the more we told how to find fake photos, the more difficult it was to detect scams.
Just a thought.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 10, 2020, 08:47:58 AM

An example:

Question: When finding people using text spinners, how do you find the original? I have some ideas as to how to quickly check two sentences to see if they are very "similar" but I am stumped as to how to quickly find the original to check against.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on August 19, 2020, 12:16:15 PM

They even managed to grab merits out of it on the below post. Looks like an serious issue and an good trick working out there.

Post link by Agios : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/51-attack-against-blockchain-of-ethereum-classic-etc-5267029

Source: https://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-classic-suffers-second-51-attack-in-a-week

Quote from: Agios on August 06, 2020, 08:49:13 AM

Hijacking via the 51 percent attack on the blockchain is no joke. In fact it happened three times against the Ethereum Classic (ETC) blockchain on July 29 2020, August 1 2020, as well as August 6, 2020.

In the first attack, it was estimated that the perpetrator of the attack managed to double spend as much as 800 thousand ETC (equivalent to US $ 5.6 million). Meanwhile, the attack cost was equivalent to 17.5 BTC (US $ 204,000).

Reporting from Coindesk, Ethermine, Bitfly and Binance mining pools reported the reorganization. According to them all ETC withdrawal and deposit transactions have been suspended, because of the attack.

On Thursday, 6 August 2020, another attack occurred. The value is not yet known. However, with the US $ 23.44 block reward on Ethereum Classic, the attacker will likely have pocketed around US $ 93,760.

Coindesk:

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This fresh attack to Ethereum Classic’s network follows on from a recent attack that occurred between July 29 and Aug. 1, according to blockchain analytics firm Bitquery.

While Ethereum Classic developers initially said the network did not suffer from a reorganization or a 51% attack in that previous attack, Bitquery said Wednesday that an attacker double-spent a little over 800,000 ETC (about $5.6 million), and paid about 17.5 BTC ($204,000) to acquire the hash power for the attack.

Mining pool Ethermine’s parent entity Bitfly and crypto exchange Binance reported the reorganization, announcing all Ethereum Classic payouts, withdrawals and deposits had been suspended due to the attack.

The monetary value of Thursday’s 51% attack in terms of the double spends is not yet known. However, at $23.44 per block reward on Ethereum Classic, the attacker has most likely earned $93,760 from block rewards alone.

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@Harlot Paraphrasing, synonymize, plagiarism. Call it as you wish, I can still add a few in the title. In my country, it's also called Paraphrasing

Wikipedia says

Quote from: Agios on June 21, 2020, 12:45:48 AM

More than 40 companies, including Ripple, Brave, Huobi,
BitGo, BitPay, Bitrue, Bitso, Blockchain.com, Bitstamp, BTC Markets, CipherTrace, Coinone, Crypto.com, Independent Reserve, Liquid, and others, worked together to form the Open Payments Coalition and launch a universal PayID payment system.

Targeting more than 100 million customers, the new payment process helps users send or receive money anywhere in the world using any payment network in real time.

Users can provide an e-mail address or mobile number associated with their bank account to receive money instantly without the need for a bank account, international code, channel number or SWIFT ID.

PayID aims to make it easy to make global payments fast and easy, like we send emails, or write short messages,

PayID has been used extensively in Australia, where the system was introduced gradually over the last three years. Most banks and crypto exchanges in the country can send and receive instant money at any time.

Cointelegraph

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More than 40 companies including Ripple, Brave and Huobi have joined forces to form the Open Payments Coalition and launch universal payments system PayID.

Reaching more than 100 million consumers, the new payment process will allow users to send or receive money anywhere in the world across any payment network in real time.

Users can provide an email address or a phone number linked to their bank account to instantly receive money without requiring complicated bank account numbers, international codes, routing numbers or SWIFT IDs

PayID is already in wide use in Australia, where it was progressively introduced over the last three years. The majority of bank and crypto exchange users in the country can send and receive instant money transfers at any time, 24/7.

I reported the user previously and I have no idea why this person isn't banned. So here is another example and I think I will have no problem to give another example. It's just that I have others users on my list

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Quote from: Lucius on August 19, 2020, 07:05:17 AM

Personally, I can't help but wonder that some people do things like this, instead of writing their own posts like most - and what's even weirder is that they do it after they've been permanently banned from the forum for the same thing.

I've always assumed that most plagiarism that happens on bitcointalk is due to members wanting to increase their post count in the face of a language barrier, i.e., those members can't write posts in clear English which is what is required by most bounties/campaigns.

And of course they're going to keep doing it even if they're banned. Most of them know they can get away with it, at least for a while, so they take their chances.

Quote from: LeGaulois on July 11, 2020, 09:20:29 AM

Round #2
User @Agios

Definitely word-spinning and not paraphrasing.

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Quote from: Harlot on August 19, 2020, 10:12:01 AM

what counts as paraphrasing or still counts as plagiarism but I forgot on which topic it was but I remembered text spinning still counts as plagiarism.

If you're taking someone else's intellectual property, and it so happens that they are not credited for their ideas, then you have committed intellectual theft. And if you submit your post with all that in mind, that should be plagiarism.

Harlot

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That's not paraphrasing because you just changed some words in order to make it on your own. Paraphrasing on the other hand is something where a writer tries to interpret on what he understand based on the original text. That kind of word swapping doesn't need some kind of thinking needed because you just look for synonyms while the structure of the sentences are almost the same. I remembered theymos commented on what counts as paraphrasing or still counts as plagiarism but I forgot on which topic it was but I remembered text spinning still counts as plagiarism.

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This remind me for the time when the cheaters were using a tools to post a the same text full of weird synonyms and were using the homographs to they won't be detected. I thought that, this time was over but looks like it isn't.

I took the two texts in a a plagiarism checker and I got 25% match. See below.

So they are managing to fool the computer but the humans not so easy fooled.
I have to get back to searching for not so popular synonym keywords again and see what is the current situation.

Hope the mods will take away his change to post his garbage here.

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Personally, I can't help but wonder that some people do things like this, instead of writing their own posts like most - and what's even weirder is that they do it after they've been permanently banned from the forum for the same thing. I'm just wondering if it's possible for someone to test maybe AI this way - because we've seen that this way you can generate pretty good quality posts?

Good catch again LeGaulois Wink

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Quote from: LeGaulois on August 18, 2020, 05:57:36 PM

Sorry I needed to post it since it may be difficult to report such posts sometimes, and also to save the time to the person who moderates the post/user)

It appears that this account owner is not drawing conclusions about their previous bans. He already has two bans, and still does not lose hope to stay on the forum. I think we will see his "creation" more than once in the future.
Such characters very often make the same mistakes.
I applied to be banned from this account
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Ban evasion.

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Post in question

Quote from: Toracee on August 17, 2020, 11:19:30 AM

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I summarize it
Title: REASONS WHY MANY TRADERS FAIL AND LOSS MONEY
1.Overtrading
2.Ridiculous Expectations
3. Lack of Capitalization
4.Addiction to trading Forex/crypto market
5.Inability to adapt the condition of the market
6. Poor Risk Management
7. Lack of Following a Trading Plan or not having a trading plan
8 SUMMARY

Now there is this article published here
I summarize it
Title: Top Reasons Why Forex Traders Fail and Lose Money
- Overtrading
- Insufficient capitalisation
- Trading Addiction
- Not Adapting to the Market Conditions
- Poor Risk Management
- Not Having or Not Following a Trading Plan
- Unrealistic Expectations
- In Summary

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Quote from: Toracee on August 17, 2020, 11:19:30 AM

1.Overtrading:
The most widely recognized motivation behind why Forex merchants or traders come up short is overtrading. It is either exchanging too large or trading too often. Overtrading may be brought about by ridiculously high benefit objectives, lack of capitalisation and market addiction. I was just trading too much then just to meet my high-profit goal daily with my low equity or capital.

Quote from: Toracee on August 17, 2020, 11:19:30 AM

2.Ridiculous Expectations
It's significant for first-time dealers to recall that Forex isn't a way to get rich rapidly. Similarly, as with any business or expert profession, there will be acceptable periods, and there will be awful periods, alongside hazard and misfortune. By limiting the market introduction per exchange, a merchant can have true serenity that one losing exchange ought not to bargain their general execution over the long haul.
Try to comprehend that persistence and consistency are your best partners. Brokers don't have to make a little fortune with a couple of huge exchanges. This just strengthens awful exchanging propensities and can prompt generous misfortunes after some time. Accomplishing positive compound outcomes with littler exchanges over numerous months and years is the most ideal alternative.

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Unrealistic Expectations
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It's important for first-time traders to remember that Forex is not a means to get rich quickly. As with any business or professional career, there will be good periods, and there will be bad periods, along with risk and loss. By minimising the market exposure per trade, a trader can have peace of mind that one losing trade should not compromise their overall performance over the long-term.

(Sorry I needed to post it since it may be difficult to report such posts sometimes, and also to save the time to the person who moderates the post/user)

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I never thought that this topic would be the place for you to do those surveys Cheesy

It will take some time to browse through all the new members of this forum, I'm still curious, how do you know its verbatim? Did you read it anywhere else? Should we warn these users and start counting violations?

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Round #2
User @Agios

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Lately there seems to be a link between crypto asset price movements and increasingly authoritarian government policies. When President Donald Trump ordered the mass dissolution of peaceful protests in the White House region on June 1, the price of Bitcoin jumped more than 8 percent.

original

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There has been some unproven correlation between the rising and falling prices of cryptocurrencies and governments acting more authoritarian. When United States President Donald Trump ordered the forced dispersal of peaceful protesters near the White House grounds on June 1, the price of Bitcoin surged more than 8%.

Also reported for copy-pasting

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Quote from: Nellayar on July 10, 2020, 08:12:39 PM

Why does paraphrasing happens?

Negative Side:
1. Lack of ideas.
2. In order to make your post smarter than others.
3. Post boosting

Lack of ideas or to become smarter than others are not reasons why people plagiarise something. They are lazy and want to get post counts for their bounties, campaigns or to build up a scam project with stolen ideas from white paper, ANN thread, website, and other documents.

Why do you think doing plagiarism can make one looks smarter? I don't catch the opinion.

To be helpful, you can translate good documents to your local language to help your locals, with sources and (if possible acceptance from authors). Do legit translations and don't plagiarise to make you look better.

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