Round #5 Users Rewriting/Spinning/Paraphrasing/synonymize - page 2.

LeGaulois

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Alright. I was observing the person for several days, with another user, and seeing them continuing day by day I started to be in doubt.

Quote from: Nellayar on July 10, 2020, 07:12:39 PM

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We have been discussed it on local board and thanks for Baofeng in mentioning this cite to search for a plagiarized content.

Quote from: Baofeng on June 10, 2020, 07:01:43 AM

1. https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker

2. https://www.duplichecker.com/

3. https://www.copyscape.com/

That doesn't help in such cases.

Quote from: pugman on July 10, 2020, 11:10:41 AM

I mean, I wouldn't perma-ban this person, only because the person put a little effort in changing words etc.

But I suppose, considering the user is relatively new, the mods could delete his synonymized posts, ban him for a day or two, and give a one-off warning regarding such posting and giving them the benefit of the doubt. My take on this might be considered to be quite controversial, but I still want to believe the good in people so. Undecided

When someone does that as soon as they register on a forum I doubt the intentions are good.

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Quote from: erikoy on July 10, 2020, 08:46:47 AM

Parapharsing is alright as long as the author of that phrase were being recognized or mention if not then it is still plagiarism taking ideas from others.

That's one thing that we should not forget. Well, that's one thing I do personally — including the original source where I got the idea. And when I was in college, our teacher in research always remind us to always give credit to the owner of the idea and do not merely copy-paste something. Read it first and then write your own understanding of the article using your own words. But even if you did that, it's always best to include the source.

Quote from: erikoy on July 10, 2020, 08:46:47 AM

In this case it is already considered as plagiarism because sentence by sentence clearly being copy intentionally.

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Yep, it's not paraphrasing. He just changed the words by using the synonyms and even the arrangements of thoughts are still the same. I must also say that this is an act of plagiarism.

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As far as I know, the forum allows paraphrasing if there is citation/reference to be cited.

This is the main problem of every users who paraphrase an idea without a proper citation of the author. We may call it as an intentional plagiarism (as what tbct_mbt2 said) because there was an intention to copy the idea came from the author and modifying the some words which are synonymous to the original text.

Why does paraphrasing happens?

Negative Side:
1. Lack of ideas.
2. In order to make your post smarter than others.
3. Post boosting

Positive Side (if there is reference cited):
1. To give a justification that will support your idea.
2. To make your post more credible and informative.

We can paraphrase/translate an idea, if we just cite the reference we have used. For me, it is good to have a wrong grammar as long as you justify it by your own words. I don`t believe that paraphrasing coincidentally happens specially if the words are purely similar to the original text. That is why we have our own finger prints, because we have our own identity and style.

We have been discussed it on local board and thanks for Baofeng in mentioning this cite to search for a plagiarized content.

Quote from: Baofeng on June 10, 2020, 07:01:43 AM

1. https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker

2. https://www.duplichecker.com/

3. https://www.copyscape.com/

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Quote from: gentlemand on July 10, 2020, 04:23:47 PM

I thought text spinning made you automatic toast? Am pretty sure I've seen it highlighted elsewhere and the consensus was that it's not only plagarism, it's sneaky plagarism.

It must be just as time consuming as writing your own drivel so it's never been something I've understood why people indulge in.

I would assume they don't spin by typing different words in. There are websites that can do it so it's just one extra copy-paste compared to plain plagiarism.

But yeah, amazingly they think they're smart enough to evade detection - and to be fair it's not easy to detect text spinning - but once there is a suspicion it will all unravel quickly. And suspicion could be raised by something as simple as one odd word spotted by someone who has experience with that sort of shitheadery.

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I thought text spinning made you automatic toast? Am pretty sure I've seen it highlighted elsewhere and the consensus was that it's not only plagarism, it's sneaky plagarism.

It must be just as time consuming as writing your own drivel so it's never been something I've understood why people indulge in.

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I've checked BTCWALK's entire post history and to no surprise, it is filled with text-spinned articles, from top to bottom.

Nearly half, if not more, of his total 32 posts are plagiarized, mods should nuke his ass. He is your typical cheater trying to rank one more account.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on July 10, 2020, 08:31:59 AM

No, it is not accepted.

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism. It is an old way to plagiarise and is classified as Text spinning/disguised plagiarism.

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on April 18, 2019, 08:48:25 PM

2. Intentionally plagiarism
2.1. Fake Paraphrasing
It is a lowest level of plagiarism when people usually change just a few words from original texts/ posts.
2.2. Text Spinning
They intentionally use posts of others, and over paraphrase them using softwares.
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
2.3. Translation Abusement
They intentionally use posts or part of posts of other members, such as from English, then using Google Translate in order to automatically translate those texts into local language, such as Russian or any local language they want; and vice versa.
New sort of plagiarism

Agree, That is unacceptable and very obvious.

He just changes a few words or something we can already consider it plagiarism. Even paraphrasing should not be allowed since you just copy some sort of text in the internet and make it to something that is yours.

But in general, if you really know what you are saying you are constructing it on your mind anyway. And kind of answers could be or will be similar but copying the construction of the sentence etc. is not acceptable.

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What do we have here? He asserts that it is his idea Cheesy

Damn guy! Already clear to understand when not having any links or sources mentioned in his post

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 10, 2020, 09:29:04 AM

Yeah, assuming he didn't use a bot to do it. And if he didn't, why not just put that same amount of effort into writing a post with your own thoughts? I don't get it.

My opinion, he can be a guy without any knowledge in this field, or simply he doesn't want to use his brain to create things for himself. It is always easier to rewrite ideas and analysis of others in his language than to think and write for himself. Maybe his brain feels lazy to think Roll Eyes

He is hardworking compared to spammers, but a lazy when compared to content creators

He may also never be aware of this topic, and he will deny the allegations Cheesy

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I mean, I wouldn't perma-ban this person, only because the person put a little effort in changing words etc.

But I suppose, considering the user is relatively new, the mods could delete his synonymized posts, ban him for a day or two, and give a one-off warning regarding such posting and giving them the benefit of the doubt. My take on this might be considered to be quite controversial, but I still want to believe the good in people so. Undecided

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This user caught my eye as I frequent the economy section and it was their style of writing (centering their texts and changing the color) that attracted me.
I replied to one of his post recently, which may have prompted him/her to switch to the press board;

Quote from: Upgrade00 on July 07, 2020, 01:23:33 PM

This board is meant for discussions on speculations on the price of bitcoin. If you want to share articles without any context you can do so in the press board, although it has a prerequisite for only notable press hits.
Bitcointalk as a whole is meant for discussions and if you're sharing external contents it's usually better to include your own perspective to encourage discussions.

The user sometimes linked the source of their post or stated that it's not their opinion, I still however considered it unethical behavior contributing very little to discussions and simply sharing (paraphrased) contents. Checking their post history first page; the user has started 13 threads and made only 7 replies (all on their thread). This indicates a lack of interest in joining forum discussions.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 10, 2020, 09:29:04 AM

That's not paraphrasing, OP; that's word-substitution plagiarism.

I think the same, he is just replacing words not using different words for the same construction, thus can't be considered paraphrasing.
Interestingly enough, I also doubt he was using an automatic tool, I've tried to spin the text with all the text spinners in the first 20 results on google for such tools, none managed to get even close, so de did put some effort into it.

Original:

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Why the system is so unfair is not at all obvious and is the source of much political confusion. People on the left think the rich get there through exploiting the poor.

Quote

But the reason for its unfairness is not entirely clear, and this in itself is the source of most political confusion. Leftists believe that the rich are abusing the poor.

No free text spinner will manage this.

In his defense, he did say in the beginning that it's now his work:

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Jimmy Song is a well-known Bitcoin developer, writer, and entrepreneur. In his new paper, he explains why there is no balance in the world economic system and explains why Bitcoin can solve the problem. You can read this article below

but then why did he change the wording in the text?

Unless the user comes here and explains why did he do that probably will never find out why, as it makes little sense, even with all the desperate moves for merit fishing we're all seeing every day.

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

I remember seeing some threads pop up in "Services" about "word spinning" services, where someone is hired to use synonyms and similar phrases to rephrase an article and post it on several places, can be different forums. This reduces the chances of being nuked due to direct plagiarism but it is still a type of copy pasting.

I have also seen people do this - convert one article from English(1)>Russian(2)>English(3) and then the end result is that article (1) and (3) are not completely same. Maybe they used more than one machine translation service as well.

Chinese Whispers game anyone? Roll Eyes

Anyway IMO it is similar to plagiarism and the user should be given same punishment that a plagiarist would get.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 10, 2020, 07:47:58 AM

An example:

Quote from: BTCWALK on July 06, 2020, 09:15:58 AM

The system has no balance. We can all see in the luxurious mansions of the wealthy San Francisco that only a few blocks away from the poor tents of the homeless. We can well feel this in individuals and certain businesses that do nothing better for civil society but earn ridiculous amounts of money. We can understand this by looking at those who are just as eager to spend money, and on the other hand, we are witnessing a very difficult situation for those whose debts have crushed their souls.

original text:

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The system is rigged. We all can see it in the opulent residences of the rich in San Francisco which lie blocks away from the squalid tents of the homeless. We can feel it in the way that certain people and businesses do little to better civilization yet make ludicrous amounts of money. We can hear it in the frivolity with which certain people spend money and the morbid gravity of those whose souls are crushed by debt.

This was indeed a plagiarism. Paraphrasing is changing the whole context, from the positioning of the parts and figures of speeches to the whole context itself, onto your own vocabulary and your own word styling, AND indicating your idea's source (This is a common issue in academic papers and researches). The text you've accused didn't paraphrased at all, but rather synonymized ^[1] other words yet remains most of the literal words used, the idea, and the parts of speech.

[1] synonymize

Quote from: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/synonymize#:~:text=synonymized%3B

to give or analyze the synonyms of (a word).

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 10, 2020, 09:29:04 AM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 10, 2020, 08:45:06 AM

I think he took the time to rewrite it Cheesy

a hard-working guy Cheesy

Yeah, assuming he didn't use a bot to do it. And if he didn't, why not just put that same amount of effort into writing a post with your own thoughts? I don't get it.

Better question: why would anyone spend a large amount of effort in writing a post that takes ideas from another source, only to subsequently not mention to source even though the core parts are taken ~~word-for-word~~ idea-for-idea?

Intellectual dishonesty is not difficult to detect. Unless you're an idiot or if you have already absorbed the knowledge fully (and thereby transformed it into your own unique idea), it's never a bad idea to say, "taking from the ideas of , ...," so I don't expect anyone to sympathize in this situation.

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That's not paraphrasing, OP; that's word-substitution plagiarism.

We probably unknowingly paraphrase other people's ideas off the top of our heads when we write here, but most of us aren't looking at someone else's text when we're writing a post--and that's the difference. That text-spinning shit is straight up plagiarism.

Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 10, 2020, 08:45:06 AM

I think he took the time to rewrite it Cheesy

a hard-working guy Cheesy

Yeah, assuming he didn't use a bot to do it. And if he didn't, why not just put that same amount of effort into writing a post with your own thoughts? I don't get it.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 10, 2020, 07:47:58 AM

Should it be moderated? I don't know if I'm the first one to notice him and nobody reported before, or it's considered ok "to steal the intelligence" of someone else?

I noticed the user in question because he started thread spamming in the Speculation board recently, and yesterday he switched to the Legal and Press board (that is deleted). I didn't report any posts because I wasn't sure if it was really plagiarism or something else, but now it's more than obvious that this is just a slightly more sophisticated type of plagiarism.

The user claims that this is his analysis, but it is definitely about plagiarism, and we know that the rules in this regard are quite clear.

Quote from: BTCWALK on July 09, 2020, 01:16:06 PM

Recently, I have posted many posts every day that contain my own analysis.

Quote from: BTCWALK on July 09, 2020, 02:53:13 AM

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Parapharsing is alright as long as the author of that phrase were being recognized or mention if not then it is still plagiarism taking ideas from others. In this case it is already considered as plagiarism because sentence by sentence clearly being copy intentionally.

This is a rare case and have not seen like this. Usually a post like this could not be hard to detect unless there is a keen observation being made. Well this is a good catch. This will lead others to investigate also other users that might doing this as well.

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I think he took the time to rewrite it Cheesy

a hard-working guy Cheesy

Quote from: LeGaulois on July 10, 2020, 07:47:58 AM

Should it be moderated? I don't know if I'm the first one to notice him and nobody reported before, or it's considered ok "to steal the intelligence" of someone else?

I think it should be censored, it's purposeful plagiarism. Anyone who uses the ideas and words of others to use, it's plagiarism. Although the words he uses maybe different, the content doesn't change, he just avoids plagiarism detection. LeGaulois, you have great finding!
For every issue, what I have always been concerned about is its purpose, what does he do it for?

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No, it is not accepted.

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism. It is an old way to plagiarise and is classified as Text spinning/disguised plagiarism.

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on April 18, 2019, 08:48:25 PM

2. Intentionally plagiarism
2.1. Fake Paraphrasing
It is a lowest level of plagiarism when people usually change just a few words from original texts/ posts.
2.2. Text Spinning
They intentionally use posts of others, and over paraphrase them using softwares.
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
2.3. Translation Abusement
They intentionally use posts or part of posts of other members, such as from English, then using Google Translate in order to automatically translate those texts into local language, such as Russian or any local language they want; and vice versa.
New sort of plagiarism

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General rule of thumb: if I know that I am willfully taking someone else's idea, I should be crediting them. This avoids the whole pedantically semantic trap of 'but what if it's general knowledge?' and all other crap.

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