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July 22, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
This said, the blockchain will grow larger than bitcoin one, by a linear factor. Price to "pay" for unlinkability and untraceability.

For now.  I'm pretty sure there will be a much smaller chain with adapted cryptonote before too long.


Boolberry was designed from the beginning with smaller blockchain in mind. The ring signatures can easily be cut off reducing the size by 50%.
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July 22, 2014, 04:05:05 PM
[wrong interpretation of the situation]



You clearly are not up to speed when it comes to XC

I know parts are closed sourced and eventually going to be released as open source, it takes care of bloat size that Cryptonote has, transaction times are faster, some of the same features Jasinlee talks about coming for Cache are also listed on XC (anonymity nobody was using was mentioned some months back - sidechain stuff mentioned on the website also mentioned on the Cachecoin thread).  The XC website hits me as way over marketed.  http://xc-official.com/community/

It's just trying wayyyyy too hard.

Admittedly I've only spent about a 15 - 20 min absorbing random info.  I'd be happy to be corrected.  

But from what I can tell Cachecoin = XC = Fib = Jasinlee in some odd assortment of backdoor collaborators.  
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Still wild and free
July 22, 2014, 03:57:31 PM
Primecoin (XPM) is extremely undervalued at the moment folks. Gains of 2000% + are coming with the next Bitcoin bubble.

Please read my Technical and Fundamental breakdown of Primecoin at www.coingroup.ca

Primecoin is a nice proof of concept but nothing more.
It has zero benefit to the user of the currency wrt other "classic" coins such as bitcoin/litecoin. Note also that the scientific contribution of the PoW function is not so clear.

I don't see anything that would justify a 2000% gain, or even that it is undervalued. If you are saying that just because it's cheaper than it was in the past, it's a fallacy.
Price decrease is because media hype is fading away, and the price was partly (mostly?) based on media hype. Media hype is not a fundamental, in fact it is the same as a shitcoin short-term hype, but instead of the dev promotting his shit in a bitcointalk thread, it's an often clueless "journalist" doing it on coindesk. Different scales but same lack of fundamentals behind the price.
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July 22, 2014, 03:52:34 PM
[wrong interpretation of the situation]



You clearly are not up to speed when it comes to XC
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July 22, 2014, 03:51:26 PM
Perhaps amateur hour at over promising, selling on hype, under delivering would be a better description.

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July 22, 2014, 03:49:31 PM
An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague.  

Best collaboration in Alt-history.. Remember this

wanna know why?

Once the rewrite is complete we will begin building out the interchain which will allow communication between blockchains (without the need of sidechains). This will build out the basis for the network that will allow end to end encrypted communication and transfer of data. Think of it like TOR, if TOR was not created by the US military with likely multiple backdoors. There is a lot to do still before we get to that point, but the amount of flexibility that the coins wallet will support will likely be shocking. This is what you get when you write the code with a goal in mind rather than patching it with little knowledge of how to write the code in the first place.

Yup - I know.  Preparing for another pump -> dump.  Maybe I should get in at $0.15 & join the dump ...

Pump -> dumps are created by market manipulators not (this) dev team(s)

People like this do that

U all need to seriously take a hard look at who is running you P.R. because he has over promised to community and under delivered yet again...(this has nothing to do with DEV he doesn't run announcements for the community)Don't go promising a solution and bring us TESTNET..P.R. Im sorry but i said it way back when in forums... Ive been here for long hall and you have consistently blown your portion of the job.. Its not a unreasonable complaint to file.. don't tell us it will be a workign trust-less answer and simply provide this

or

https://twitter.com/CryptoBoh
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July 22, 2014, 03:48:14 PM
An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague.  

Best collaboration in Alt-history.. Remember this

wanna know why?

Once the rewrite is complete we will begin building out the interchain which will allow communication between blockchains (without the need of sidechains). This will build out the basis for the network that will allow end to end encrypted communication and transfer of data. Think of it like TOR, if TOR was not created by the US military with likely multiple backdoors. There is a lot to do still before we get to that point, but the amount of flexibility that the coins wallet will support will likely be shocking. This is what you get when you write the code with a goal in mind rather than patching it with little knowledge of how to write the code in the first place.

Yup - I know.  Preparing for another pump -> dump.  Maybe I should get in at $0.15 & join the dump ...
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July 22, 2014, 03:46:32 PM
An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague. 

Yup ... FWIW your post inspired me to make a quick mention over in the XCurrency thread. 

Thanks for that!
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July 22, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague. 

Yup ... FWIW your post inspired me to make a quick mention over in the XCurrency thread. 
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July 22, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
Any opinions on Monero's blockchain size?  I mean ... there's already a 1.7GB blockchain size.  In 3 months it's half as large as the litecoin blockchain - so when it's litecoin's age if adoption doesn't increase any we'll be seeing 17GB since litecoin has been around 10X as long? 

If adoption increases by 4X - 5X to knock litecoin off as #2 - we'll see a 68 - 85GB blockchain in a few years?

FWIW - I've got no horse in the anon race.  Darkcoin is a borderline scam IMO.  An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague.  Just not seeing a clear winner in anon ATM

I addressed this in the general monero thread as I have been monitoring the actual size on disk which the graph on monerochain.info doesn't show. If you can be bothered go back and find it and if not I will be updating the sizes tomorrow as I haven't done it in a few days.

Basically as has been said there was an initial bloat of the chain due to pool dust and that has been fixed and is currently growing at a much more stable and slower rate. It is likely to be a few times larger than Bitcoins blockchain but that is a fair price to pay for privacy. Again as has been said the cost/GB and general cost of HDD's will go down quicker than the blockchain will grow.
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amarha
July 22, 2014, 03:39:05 PM
This said, the blockchain will grow larger than bitcoin one, by a linear factor. Price to "pay" for unlinkability and untraceability.

For now.  I'm pretty sure there will be a much smaller chain with adapted cryptonote before too long.


Chain is going to be larger for this one, probably some 5-20x larger than that of Bitcoin's. That being said, that means maybe hundreds of GB at worst in a few years, which isn't an impossible tradeoff (for now) with privacy.

There are a lot of propositions for means to reduce the size of the blockchain, and we're reviewing them all carefully.

Having most people use thin clients isn't really a big deal, is it? Cryptos in general are moving towards that point anyway. The only issue in general is making sure enough people have incentive to run full nodes.
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July 22, 2014, 03:34:28 PM
An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague.  

Best collaboration in Alt-history.. Remember this

wanna know why?

Once the rewrite is complete we will begin building out the interchain which will allow communication between blockchains (without the need of sidechains). This will build out the basis for the network that will allow end to end encrypted communication and transfer of data. Think of it like TOR, if TOR was not created by the US military with likely multiple backdoors. There is a lot to do still before we get to that point, but the amount of flexibility that the coins wallet will support will likely be shocking. This is what you get when you write the code with a goal in mind rather than patching it with little knowledge of how to write the code in the first place.
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July 22, 2014, 03:23:27 PM
This said, the blockchain will grow larger than bitcoin one, by a linear factor. Price to "pay" for unlinkability and untraceability.

For now.  I'm pretty sure there will be a much smaller chain with adapted cryptonote before too long.


Chain is going to be larger for this one, probably some 5-20x larger than that of Bitcoin's. That being said, that means maybe hundreds of GB at worst in a few years, which isn't an impossible tradeoff (for now) with privacy.

There are a lot of propositions for means to reduce the size of the blockchain, and we're reviewing them all carefully.
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Sine secretum non libertas
July 22, 2014, 03:06:48 PM
This said, the blockchain will grow larger than bitcoin one, by a linear factor. Price to "pay" for unlinkability and untraceability.

For now.  I'm pretty sure there will be a much smaller chain with adapted cryptonote before too long.
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July 22, 2014, 03:04:31 PM
Any opinions on Monero's blockchain size?  Looking at the anon coins Monero seems to be the one everybody's interested in.  But there's already a 1.7GB blockchain size.  In 3 months - what am I missing?

P.S.  I've got no horse in the anon race.  Darkcoin is a borderline scam IMO.  Not interested in XCurrency.  One of the devs did a massive pump & dump on cachecoin.


See these posts:

blockchain is 1,6 GB ? Is that a joke ?
After the pool dust problem was fixed it's currently growing with ~10 MB a day: http://monerochain.info/charts/bcsize

blockchain is 1,6 GB ? Is that a joke ?

No, that is correct. It's about 1.7 GB here. It does depend a bit on the platform, but 1.6 GB seems in the right ballpark.

Some amount of that is database bloat (the same data being stored more than once) and can be improved with a better database implementation. The chart on monerochain records the actual size of blockchain data, currently 738 MB.


This said, the blockchain will grow larger than bitcoin one, by a linear factor. Price to "pay" for unlinkability and untraceability.
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July 22, 2014, 02:54:04 PM
Any opinions on Monero's blockchain size?  I mean ... there's already a 1.7GB blockchain size.  In 3 months it's half as large as the litecoin blockchain - so when it's litecoin's age if adoption doesn't increase any we'll be seeing 17GB since litecoin has been around 10X as long? 

If adoption increases by 4X - 5X to knock litecoin off as #2 - we'll see a 68 - 85GB blockchain in a few years?

FWIW - I've got no horse in the anon race.  Darkcoin is a borderline scam IMO.  An XCurrency dev did a massive pump pump job on cachecoin & appears to be dropping his ASIC project for LTC so I'm avoiding that like the plague.  Just not seeing a clear winner in anon ATM
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July 22, 2014, 02:51:58 PM
I dont see them stop me paying in crypto at some underground stripclub if The owner decided to accept it as payment

Or at any other service or internet business

Same thing as with prohabition.. Aint gonna work

They do not intend to prevent you from doing this.  In fact, Lawsky positively encourages it.  There are things the regulations choose to regulated, and things which the regulations choose not to regulate.  Buying stuff with crypto and selling stuff with crypto is not in general an activity targeted by the regulations.  Exchange for liquidity instruments is an activity regulated by the proposed rules.


Yes, I understand the fiat-gateway problem very good. And I agree with Bitcoin (related businesses) complying to this. Establish a trusted protocol and brand a #1 crypto is what they should do. Alt(s) should focus on widening the scoop of adoption by serving they're expertise to special niches (insert any niche you want). Adopters of Alt(s) will come to Bitcoin definitely by design (of the current exchanges).

If someone makes his money in a cryptocurrency and never goes back to fiat there will be no taxation. Eventually the hole business cycle will be in crypto. Good luck to regulators when that point comes  
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July 22, 2014, 02:43:49 PM
I dont see them stop me paying in crypto at some underground stripclub if The owner decided to accept it as payment

Or at any other service or internet business

Same thing as with prohabition.. Aint gonna work

They do not intend to prevent you from doing this.  In fact, Lawsky positively encourages it.  There are things the regulations choose to regulated, and things which the regulations choose not to regulate.  Buying stuff with crypto and selling stuff with crypto is not in general an activity targeted by the regulations.  Exchange for liquidity instruments is an activity regulated by the proposed rules.
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July 22, 2014, 12:33:39 PM
Closed source can be everything and nothing.

When and if they open source I think maybe someone can peer review it and then we can discuss it further.
You should remember that open source is only as good as the time you spend at actually checking the code.
=> open source is good, audited open source is better
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July 22, 2014, 11:54:19 AM
Cryptographic contests and bounties where the systems inner working are not published, are generally not accepted among cryptographers.

While Kerckhoffs's principle mainly applies to cryptographic systems, following Shannon's maxim, I believe it should be applied analogously to anonymity systems. If the way the system works is opaque, you cannot reason well about its security.

Yes we have plans for external testing of the XC app around the official public launch (Rev 3). They'll need access to the code.

However the last time we did this (Rev 1) a reviewer cloned XC, so we'll try to be strategic about it.

   - it's not coinjoin, because it’s not centralised or semi-centralised. There's nothing akin to masternodes in XC either.
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This is a very strange claim. CoinJoin was originally designed to be decentralized and trustless. To me, it sounds more like you have implemented CoinJoin the way it was originally supposed to be built.

Apologies, I should've been clearer on this point; I was combining the Darksend coinjoin implementation with gmaxwell's general concept for it.

XC is not coinjoin, so say the devs.

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Let us hope for their sake that nobody hex edits name and certain other things in the binary to launch a clone coin. :-)

Indeed!

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