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Topic: Ruh Roh, bitcoin on the radar of the IMF? - page 2. (Read 12525 times)

newbie
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Who wrote this article??? Lack of basic understanding of shorting a currency. If IMF really helped, Soros won't beat the bank of england by shorting Pounds, won't attack the southeast asia by shorting their currency either. Speculative attack typically happens when a country is overly loaned and there are plenty of fiat can be borrowed at a low interest

To short a currency, you just borrow it and then sell, in forex trading you can use leveraged trading to add to your power, and buy it back at a lower price. You can always short a currency on forex market, no matter there is bitcoin or not. And there is no such thing like you must support the currency exchange price by using bitcoin to buy your currency, you can always use USD reserve to support your currency exchange price

The only valid concern is that BTC might have devastating power over some small countries if its value gained too much, but that is another topic: What rich people will gain by destroy poor people's life???

I don't understand that either. Does anyone know why bitcoin would make such an attack more feasible? I guess maybe it's just that the IMF has plans in place to try to stop a traditional attack but hasn't spent much time thinking about bitcoin.
newbie
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I agree. I feel like BTC supporters are so used to being a misunderstood minority that we react with hostility to things we don't really understand (another example: Ripple). Despite the negative reactions here, I think that this is overall a positive article.
sr. member
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Agreed.  How on earth could this paper be spun as anti-Bitcoin?  Who all here actually read it before jumping on the FUD bandwagon?

Both proposals for how the IMF member countries can reduce their risk with respect to Bitcoin require them to purchase bitcoins at market rates.  This paper is incredibly forward-looking and valuable, even if it is in an obscure journal.  Some slight misunderstanding of the block chain, mining, and the mt gox hack, but overall not too shabby.  This person's understanding of Bitcoin will only increase over time, and it's valuable to have people who understand Bitcoin publishing papers on opportunities for the IMF.
newbie
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The author also had a lot of good things to say about Bitcoin. For example, he said that digital currencies are a superior medium of exchange, a superior measure of worth, and a superior store of value. Those are the core principles of any currency.

And, my favorite:

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Hayek’s predictions about private currencies seem to be coming true before our very eyes: as the world struggles to recover from the recent global economic crisis, more and more people are losing confidence in traditional currencies and turning to Bitcoin as a private, easy-to-use, digital alternative.
sr. member
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Screw all of them!!

Bitcoin will win eventually, just you see..
legendary
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Merit: 1005
Other possibility. What happens with bitcoin when there is no internet, when 3G lines are switched off and there are not even mobile lines for failing infrastructures or in zones with inhibitors? What would happen with Bitcoin?

What happens when pigs grow to gigantic sizes, grow enormous wings, and start dropping nuclear pig shit on all of us?
legendary
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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus

"Bitcoin is our currency, but it is your problem" ... fits about here I think.

Lol!

Best post of the month year !
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
Who wrote this article??? Lack of basic understanding of shorting a currency. If IMF really helped, Soros won't beat the bank of england by shorting Pounds, won't attack the southeast asia by shorting their currency either. Speculative attack typically happens when a country is overly loaned and there are plenty of fiat can be borrowed at a low interest

To short a currency, you just borrow it and then sell, in forex trading you can use leveraged trading to add to your power, and buy it back at a lower price. You can always short a currency on forex market, no matter there is bitcoin or not. And there is no such thing like you must support the currency exchange price by using bitcoin to buy your currency, you can always use USD reserve to support your currency exchange price

The only valid concern is that BTC might have devastating power over some small countries if its value gained too much, but that is another topic: What rich people will gain by destroy poor people's life???
sr. member
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Wrote about it a few days ago. Pulled out the highlights. Some commentary at the end: https://btcgsa.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/bitcoin-and-the-imf-friends-fornever/
full member
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we the US,  has been at war since ww2

+ like several thousand to this...fucking military industrial complex
legendary
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"Since the proposed system relies on the completely voluntary participation of Bitcoin users, the incentive to hold on to Bitcoins creates a serious problem."

Can't believe this guy wrote this statement. Do they have a cookie-cutter for producing facists in economics somewhere?

"Bitcoin is our currency, but it is your problem" ... fits about here I think.

To them, voluntary is a swear word apparently. Who put them in charge again?
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
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"Since the proposed system relies on the completely voluntary participation of Bitcoin users, the incentive to hold on to Bitcoins creates a serious problem."

Can't believe this guy wrote this statement. Do they have a cookie-cutter for producing facists in economics somewhere?

"Bitcoin is our currency, but it is your problem" ... fits about here I think.
BCB
vip
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BCJ
Ah, the chicago school of economics...  Fascist scumbags, brainwashed idiots, and psychopathic criminals.
I will contact them again. I spoke to them in 2011 and was invited to come back. Let's charm them, not hate on them. If they can be brainwashed once, then I can do it to them also.  Wink

http://www.chicagobooth.edu/alumni/events/showEvent?eventId=2868
Look at this.

RodeoX

That would be awesome if you could go bank and help them UNDERSTAND!
legendary
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There is a difficulty target which recalculates about every two weeks to see whether the difficulty should rise or be lowered. A single retarget never changes by more than a factor of 4 to prevent large changes in difficulty.

Difficulty is recalculated every 2016 blocks regardless of the time it took to make them. It's *suppose* to be 2 weeks, but in the context of some cryptographic super horsepower device that can do googolhashing, it only lasts a very short while. only about 8000 blocks can be generated in a short time before it goes back to 10 minute blocks at that hash power.

Yes every 2016 blocks is right. I included the target link but I probably should have put that in parentheses too.

The super horsepower device would quickly be detected and probably provoke a response from the Bitcoin network of support. The super device might win a fair number of blocks before the Bitcoin network caught and surpassed it, but it wouldn't mine all the bitcoins which is the original point.
sr. member
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Another issue. What would happen on a war economy. We have been living a long period without wars but that won't continue for long (i hope that is not true). On a war economy and under war laws states could exert extreme violence to anyone using bitcoin or entire regions of countries could just shutdown the internet like north korea or lybia during revolts. What would happen? many forks?


Haven't we been at war for the last 12 years?
we the US,  has been at war since ww2


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But ya that wont ever really be a problem in my lifetime, we have two very large oceans that do a damn good job of protecting us from wars on our land. Barring an EMP from some terrorist/China/NK(hahahahaha ya right, you need a functioning ICBM for that)/Russia/Iran?all-the-other-palces-that-hate-us we should be ok.

I wouldn't put much faith on those canadians, you never know  Wink
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Another issue. What would happen on a war economy. We have been living a long period without wars but that won't continue for long (i hope that is not true). On a war economy and under war laws states could exert extreme violence to anyone using bitcoin or entire regions of countries could just shutdown the internet like north korea or lybia during revolts. What would happen? many forks?


Haven't we been at war for the last 12 years?
we the US,  has been at war since ww2
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250

well that is not my case. If you are american, you haven't suffered one in your home land (i think), disrupting electricity, comunications, bombings, health problems, etc that would be severe enough to disrupt bitcoin. If you are on a civil war on Congo you probably would have problems using bitcoins.


Fair enough. I have this stupid American habit of assuming that everyone who types in English must by American...forgive me I'm working on it.

But ya that wont ever really be a problem in my lifetime, we have two very large oceans that do a damn good job of protecting us from wars on our land. Barring an EMP from some terrorist/China/NK(hahahahaha ya right, you need a functioning ICBM for that)/Russia/Iran?all-the-other-palces-that-hate-us we should be ok.

As to other parts of the world that have a much higher likelihood of having a disruptive conflict within their boarders I really don't know. Even with the backpack and the laptop you still need internet access. Some sort of SAT phone connection maybe? trying to think of things that will work w/o local infrastructure and having a hard time.

yeah i am working on it, some kind of antenna for the helmet ...

damn! this guy was faster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHzz6PtwCo

Now seriously on a war economy bitcoin wouldn't be allowed probably. There would be a fair suspicion of people using it to send anonimously funds to the other party. There would be barriers and firewalls bigger than those on china or north korea to block and filter internet connections. Only a few chosen could probably use internet during a serious war conflict (i mean an all out war effort, not just a war against a small country) Possible for them? maybe not but bitcoin would probably be a hidden economy (at national scale) then and there could be forks from parts of the world not connecting to the rest of the network?
sr. member
Activity: 371
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well that is not my case. If you are american, you haven't suffered one in your home land (i think), disrupting electricity, comunications, bombings, health problems, etc that would be severe enough to disrupt bitcoin. If you are on a civil war on Congo you probably would have problems using bitcoins.


Fair enough. I have this stupid American habit of assuming that everyone who types in English must by American...forgive me I'm working on it.

But ya that wont ever really be a problem in my lifetime, we have two very large oceans that do a damn good job of protecting us from wars on our land. Barring an EMP from some terrorist/China/NK(hahahahaha ya right, you need a functioning ICBM for that)/Russia/Iran?all-the-other-palces-that-hate-us we should be ok.

As to other parts of the world that have a much higher likelihood of having a disruptive conflict within their boarders I really don't know. Even with the backpack and the laptop you still need internet access. Some sort of SAT phone connection maybe? trying to think of things that will work w/o local infrastructure and having a hard time.

yeah i am working on it, some kind of antenna for the helmet ...

damn! this guy was faster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHzz6PtwCo
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250
I recommend one of this for your backpack



http://www.voltaicsystems.com/

and then with a laptop you can be a moving bitcoin ATM ... (you can get part of the blockchain on a usb to speed things up and sell that data to others or leave them suffering the modem speed for ages)

Now you're gettin' it!  We'll set up a p2p network of solar-powered laptops!!  We'll bring back can-tennas too!

yes we just need to divide the terrain between us and don't get too close.
full member
Activity: 172
Merit: 100

well that is not my case. If you are american, you haven't suffered one in your home land (i think), disrupting electricity, comunications, bombings, health problems, etc that would be severe enough to disrupt bitcoin. If you are on a civil war on Congo you probably would have problems using bitcoins.


Fair enough. I have this stupid American habit of assuming that everyone who types in English must by American...forgive me I'm working on it.

But ya that wont ever really be a problem in my lifetime, we have two very large oceans that do a damn good job of protecting us from wars on our land. Barring an EMP from some terrorist/China/NK(hahahahaha ya right, you need a functioning ICBM for that)/Russia/Iran?all-the-other-palces-that-hate-us we should be ok.

As to other parts of the world that have a much higher likelihood of having a disruptive conflict within their boarders I really don't know. Even with the backpack and the laptop you still need internet access. Some sort of SAT phone connection maybe? trying to think of things that will work w/o local infrastructure and having a hard time.
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