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Topic: Ruh Roh, bitcoin on the radar of the IMF? - page 3. (Read 12525 times)

newbie
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I recommend one of this for your backpack

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7609612/pictures/2013-06-06_002112.jpg

http://www.voltaicsystems.com/

and then with a laptop you can be a moving bitcoin ATM ... (you can get part of the blockchain on a usb to speed things up and sell that data to others or leave them suffering the modem speed for ages)

Now you're gettin' it!  We'll set up a p2p network of solar-powered laptops!!  We'll bring back can-tennas too!
full member
Activity: 172
Merit: 100
I'm wondering what they are actually] going to do?

So far its just scaremongering (and taking down other vulnerable systems like LR).

I would like to seem them actually try something (and fail).

Getting a little bit boring...  Cheesy

Given the IMF's track record...(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324299104578527202781667088.html) They will probably wait until its too late and then do the wrong thing Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250

Another issue. What would happen on a war economy. We have been living a long period without wars but that won't continue for long (i hope that is not true). On a war economy and under war laws states could exert extreme violence to anyone using bitcoin or entire regions of countries could just shutdown the internet like north korea or lybia during revolts. What would happen? many forks?


Haven't we been at war for the last 12 years?

well that is not my case. If you are american, you haven't suffered one in your home land (i think), disrupting electricity, comunications, bombings, health problems, etc that would be severe enough to disrupt bitcoin. If you are on a civil war on Congo you probably would have problems using bitcoins.
legendary
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I'm wondering what they are actually going to do?

So far its just scaremongering (and taking down other vulnerable systems like LR).

 Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250
I recommend one of this for your backpack



http://www.voltaicsystems.com/

and then with a laptop you can be a moving bitcoin ATM ... (you can get part of the blockchain on a usb to speed things up and sell that data to others or leave them suffering the modem speed for ages)
full member
Activity: 172
Merit: 100

Another issue. What would happen on a war economy. We have been living a long period without wars but that won't continue for long (i hope that is not true). On a war economy and under war laws states could exert extreme violence to anyone using bitcoin or entire regions of countries could just shutdown the internet like north korea or lybia during revolts. What would happen? many forks?


Haven't we been at war for the last 12 years?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0

Other possibility. What happens with bitcoin when there is no internet, when 3G lines are switched off and there are not even mobile lines for failing infrastructures or in zones with inhibitors? What would happen with Bitcoin?

Just some thoughts



You'll have to purchase one of these...https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLi8CdGTTAIWryt1aSoOXs2zJcMIB_zHeeqnQqi9yiOM0f1mHtYw


Yes, then i recommend to new users they start to download the blockchain now.

And getting a nice pots line.  And swapping ips for phone numbers.
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250

Other possibility. What happens with bitcoin when there is no internet, when 3G lines are switched off and there are not even mobile lines for failing infrastructures or in zones with inhibitors? What would happen with Bitcoin?

Just some thoughts



You'll have to purchase one of these...


Yes, then i recommend to new users they start to download the blockchain now.

I think bitcoin would be far more secure if there were some kind of open wifi or similar project around the world to provide internet no matter what happens. Who knows, one of those computers for 10 bucks for underdeveloped countries that appear sometimes in the news. Maybe would be nice to have one of those in case of war.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0

Other possibility. What happens with bitcoin when there is no internet, when 3G lines are switched off and there are not even mobile lines for failing infrastructures or in zones with inhibitors? What would happen with Bitcoin?

Just some thoughts



You'll have to purchase one of these...https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLi8CdGTTAIWryt1aSoOXs2zJcMIB_zHeeqnQqi9yiOM0f1mHtYw
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
The internet is designed to survive in a global war.
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250
What if the "peak oil extraction" has been already left behind and we find that more and more and more electricity is just too expensive? What would happen? ASICs would have to be more power efficient and many miners would be left behind. Mining companies could get too centralized and at one point be infiltrated by states? Even banksters could have a big share of many mining companies (like jpmorgan and similars now own a great slide of the world) and decide to perform constant 51% attacks.

Another issue. What would happen on a war economy. We have been living a long period without wars but that won't continue for long (i hope that is not true). On a war economy and under war laws states could exert extreme violence to anyone using bitcoin or entire regions of countries could just shutdown the internet like north korea or lybia during revolts. What would happen? many forks?

Other possibility. What happens with bitcoin when there is no internet, when 3G lines are switched off and there are not even mobile lines for failing infrastructures or in zones with inhibitors? What would happen with Bitcoin?

Just some thoughts

hero member
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Bitcoin Mayor of Las Vegas
There is a difficulty target which recalculates about every two weeks to see whether the difficulty should rise or be lowered. A single retarget never changes by more than a factor of 4 to prevent large changes in difficulty.

Difficulty is recalculated every 2016 blocks regardless of the time it took to make them. It's *suppose* to be 2 weeks, but in the context of some cryptographic super horsepower device that can do googolhashing, it only lasts a very short while. only about 8000 blocks can be generated in a short time before it goes back to 10 minute blocks at that hash power.
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
Further down in the document, another solution is discussed. That the IMF might incorporate bitcoin and make it a member.

I quote the possible outcome from the document:

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This solution is not, however, without its drawbacks. Collecting Bitcoins via a quasi-membership scheme creates a collective action problem. Because Bitcoin operates through a decentralized network of users, aggregating the necessary amount of Bitcoins would be difficult. There is no centralized institution for the IMF to go to, and no easy way for the IMF to contact Bitcoin users directly. The IMF would have to enter online Bitcoin exchanges like any other prospective Bitcoin user. Even if the IMF were able to transact with Bitcoin users directly, the recognition-in-exchange-for-trading scheme creates a tragedy of the commons: all Bitcoin users benefit from the increased legitimacy of IMF recognition, but no one individual user has an incentive to transact with the IMF. In fact, Bitcoin users might very well have incentive not to transact with the IMF right away. Recall that Bitcoin’s mining software is programmed to cap the generation of Bitcoins by approximately 2025.168 Once the availability of Bitcoins becomes finite, we can expect the value of Bitcoins to increase. Thus, Bitcoin users have a short-term incentive to hold on to their Bitcoins rather than trade them. Since the proposed system relies on the completely voluntary participation of Bitcoin users, the incentive to hold on to Bitcoins creates a serious problem.


I raise you!!! $10mil per coin!!!!  Grin
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 257
bluemeanie
Why does the Impossible Mission Force care about Bitcoin?   Smiley  

Agreed, that any news is good news.

My thought exactly. There is an easy way for them to deal with bitcoin, all they have to do is buy them all and erase the wallets.

But alt currencies are like potato chips, we'll make more.


so if I hold out and don't sell, my coins will be worth big $$$$!
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
... One year guys, just one more year and we are immortal!  Grin

/sorry, i'll stop.
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
I quote from the document:

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In order to mitigate the potential impact of Bitcoin, the meaning of Article IV, Section 5 could be expanded to include digital currencies. Rather than limiting its scope to currencies used by colonies or overseas territories, the IMF could use Article IV Section 5 to label Bitcoin—or other digital currencies like it—a “separate currency.”159 As such, the IMF could require member nations to pay part of their subscription quota with Bitcoins.160 This would require member nations to purchase Bitcoins independently. They would then contribute that amount to the IMF’s general fund as part of their quota, receiving an amount of their own currency or special drawing rights equal to the value of the Bitcoins paid in exchange.161 In short, expanding the meaning of Article IV, Section 5 would grant the IMF a means of indirectly accumulating Bitcoins through its members.



...which means that IMF's member countries (ie the world over, the exception being North Korea) would have to buy ... you guessed it ... bitcoins!!!

$1mil per bicoin anyone? Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 381
Merit: 255
If Bitcoin walks this fine line the next years time, I think that Bitcoin will never be shut down. Right now we are in transition periods, with our network speed still going up. Once it hits a high peak it will show how strong Bitcoin really is. One year guys, just one more year and we are immortal!  Grin
member
Activity: 102
Merit: 10
They can buy mining hardware  equipment for unlimited amount of funds and mine the rest of the coins to corner / control the market

They would need clearance and no committee would agree to wasting that much money.
The US can print as much as it wants so "wasting" is impossible.
I suppose the IMF could benefit from US money printing
The FED is currently printing 85 billion a month (quantitative easing)
Well,
If this is true
From the mouth of (at the time) FED chairman Alan Greenspan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6vi528gseA

You can't argue with his logic.  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
Ah, the chicago school of economics...  Fascist scumbags, brainwashed idiots, and psychopathic criminals.
I will contact them again. I spoke to them in 2011 and was invited to come back. Let's charm them, not hate on them. If they can be brainwashed once, then I can do it to them also.  Wink

http://www.chicagobooth.edu/alumni/events/showEvent?eventId=2868
Look at this.

which one is you?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
What is everyone talking about?  This is a nothing paper, written by a non-entity Prof jr., who isn't associated in any way with IMF.  Bitcoin's not on IMF radar -- it appears in a paper to be published in "Chicago Journal of International Law ("CJIL") is a semiannual, student-edited law review published by the University of Chicago Law School since spring 2000."  In other words, Bitcoin makes it into a school rag.
Everyone:  you still got time to ebay your gamer boxen before jackbooted law students kick down your door.
 Cheesy
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