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Topic: Rule change is a problem of all hunters.Bad team,scam or both - EPNEX.İO example (Read 267 times)

newbie
Activity: 30
Merit: 0
Oчeнь кoнeчнo гpycтнo. Bepил в пpoeкт дyмaл чтo вce oк ! KYC  нe cтaл пpoxoдить, этo нe былo oбязaтeльным пpaвилoм. Зaдaния выпoлнял eжeднeвнo и вepил в пpoeкт .  Пиcьмa нa пoчтy o KYC  нe былo,  в личнoм кaбинeтe этo былo нe oбязaтeльным тpeбoвaниeм!!!  MOнeт зa aиpдpoп нe пoлyчeнo, дocтyпa в кaбинeт нeт. KYC  пpoйти yжe нeльзя и тeбя пpocтo кинyли нa тoкeны.


Very sad of course. I believed in the project that everything was OK! KYC did not pass, it was not a mandatory rule. Tasks performed daily and believed in the project. There were no emails about KYC, it was not a requirement in my account! Mortar for airdrop is not received, there is no access to the office. KYC can not be passed and you just threw on tokens.
member
Activity: 448
Merit: 12
I once participated in an ICO that did something very much similar to this. Immediately i got to know we were asked to do KYC after the campaign, which was not demanded before the start of the campaign, it was then i knew it was scam.
There are also similar case like that.
I believe a time will come that there will be regulations as regards asking bounty hunters for KYC.
member
Activity: 308
Merit: 11
To be honest it is the right of any company to change or update their rules or policies as long as it will either benefit the the project or the investors and contributors(managers, devs, bounty hunters) behind it, however if these changes and update are very questionable to you or you doubt that it will benefit you it is your right to object and leave that campaign also you if you think that these people in the forum have broken its policies you can always report then or at least make other members or co-bounty hunters aware of what they are doing

Actually thats just what I am doing.I don't think I lost anything because I never do kyc for an airdrop.But people are treated very badly in the telegram group and at least other bounty hunters should hear about this and know what is going on.

Other than bounty hunters, even if it get so common to change rules after a campaign starts, that just shows lack of competence, short sightness and if I were an investor I would want to know that kind of things about an ico I am inspecting for my future investments.
hero member
Activity: 1092
Merit: 501
This is getting more and more common, to me this is just an excuse to not pay their participants, they do not really need that information what they are doing is that they are trying to save themselves a lot of coins so in the future they can organize another campaign like that and instead of reducing their own share of tokens they can use the tokens that they did not distribute.
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 10
I think every rule that changes on the bounty is only natural, maybe the bounty manager has a change from the original plan, and in my opinion every bounty that we follow must have a rule which says that the bounty manager can change the rules, time of bounty and allocation at any time.
full member
Activity: 633
Merit: 101
And ironically ppl love those kind of airdrop with KYC, saying it's legit bcoz it's airdrop with KYC, lol. They happily give their identity for a penny. Don't know maybe it only happen in crypto community in my country.

Ands important thing bounty hunter now need to remember is always join bounty with good rep. manager, coz now is common ico team change rules in the end of bounty period.
"U need to accept my new rules or no tokens, this is my project, i can do whatever i like" lol they just want free advertising
KYC on airdrops is insane even if it is a legit one. On my view, why would they require KYC on airdrops when all they want is advertisement? There must be something else behind their mind and it is not good.
On good airdrop, kyc is used to prevent cheater/fraud account/fake referral etc. But from beginning of year when i join polymath airdrop until now, i can count less than 10 were good airdrop. rest are just want to take your identity and sold it somewhere or used in wrong way.
and that polymath is my first and last i join airdrop with kyc
member
Activity: 378
Merit: 10
Lol how can we give our KYC to these people that possible scammer? Airdrop is sucked because it has been used by scammer. So many times these airdrop hunters are being scammed and the majority of them have sent their KYC to the scam ico. I guess they have been collecting so many identities.
And ironically ppl love those kind of airdrop with KYC, saying it's legit bcoz it's airdrop with KYC, lol. They happily give their identity for a penny. Don't know maybe it only happen in crypto community in my country.

Ands important thing bounty hunter now need to remember is always join bounty with good rep. manager, coz now is common ico team change rules in the end of bounty period.
"U need to accept my new rules or no tokens, this is my project, i can do whatever i like" lol they just want free advertising
KYC on airdrops is insane even if it is a legit one. On my view, why would they require KYC on airdrops when all they want is advertisement? There must be something else behind their mind and it is not good.
sr. member
Activity: 1638
Merit: 262
actually that's normal, mate. nowadays there are lots of bounties and airdrops that require kyc, but I am just like you not to do it. but if at the beginning of the bounty or airdrop does not require kyc, but in the middle of the road they require kyc, I never met it. you take the right steps because they are not necessarily trustworthy.
full member
Activity: 633
Merit: 101
Lol how can we give our KYC to these people that possible scammer? Airdrop is sucked because it has been used by scammer. So many times these airdrop hunters are being scammed and the majority of them have sent their KYC to the scam ico. I guess they have been collecting so many identities.
And ironically ppl love those kind of airdrop with KYC, saying it's legit bcoz it's airdrop with KYC, lol. They happily give their identity for a penny. Don't know maybe it only happen in crypto community in my country.

Ands important thing bounty hunter now need to remember is always join bounty with good rep. manager, coz now is common ico team change rules in the end of bounty period.
"U need to accept my new rules or no tokens, this is my project, i can do whatever i like" lol they just want free advertising
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
You are absolutely correct. All projects have fine print that the rules can change and they do change all the time. But this is unprecedented. To go from no kyc needed but will need to kyc to take off of The Exchange. Have your community check in Daily for 3 months Then straight to we need a kyc before were are even beta testing. Not only that you have 30 days where you lose everything. And by the way you're only going to find this out through Twitter or Telegram. You remember when you gave us your phone number email address well we're not going to use any of those Avenues. Basically only Telegram. And the admins are absolutely horrible. Sorry missed it get over it.
member
Activity: 462
Merit: 11
To be honest it is the right of any company to change or update their rules or policies as long as it will either benefit the the project or the investors and contributors(managers, devs, bounty hunters) behind it, however if these changes and update are very questionable to you or you doubt that it will benefit you it is your right to object and leave that campaign also you if you think that these people in the forum have broken its policies you can always report then or at least make other members or co-bounty hunters aware of what they are doing
newbie
Activity: 53
Merit: 0
yes this ico has been ruined by shortsighted management....first they dont need kyc...then they suprise everybody and say they do after they have used the community...the telegram channel has ruined this ico...the poor investors who invested in this have been ruined by this mismanagement...epnex.io is basically run by idiots
hero member
Activity: 1458
Merit: 509
I want to know if this is normal behaviour.
İs this what bounty and airdrops are going to be like, rules can change and you have to go with it.Then every bounty starts with no kyc and at the end give me your ID or I won't give you what you worked for.There is a word fo it in law.What happens when this project is live and rules can change again.
Changing the rules after the game or even if it is ongoing is not fair to bounty hunters side but they did this almost too often and this became a norm even though it is immoral. Just ignore this airdrop and look for another one that don't require KYC if you don't want to give up your identification. Anyway it is just penny as it is only airdrops.
Lol how can we give our KYC to these people that possible scammer? Airdrop is sucked because it has been used by scammer. So many times these airdrop hunters are being scammed and the majority of them have sent their KYC to the scam ico. I guess they have been collecting so many identities.
member
Activity: 308
Merit: 11
I want to know if this is normal behaviour.
İs this what bounty and airdrops are going to be like, rules can change and you have to go with it.Then every bounty starts with no kyc and at the end give me your ID or I won't give you what you worked for.There is a word fo it in law.What happens when this project is live and rules can change again.
Changing the rules after the game or even if it is ongoing is not fair to bounty hunters side but they did this almost too often and this became a norm even though it is immoral. Just ignore this airdrop and look for another one that don't require KYC if you don't want to give up your identification. Anyway it is just penny as it is only airdrops.
I already did.I never give kyc for airdrops.I only did that for an ico I believed.But never for pocket change.
I did not do the kyc in this particular project knowingly but from what I saw from their telegram group -which I have been muted- and the way they are dealing people made me angry.A couple fanboys even threatened people not to write anything in bitcointalk.

They think just because it is a small amount noone would bother to make a fuss.A lot of people do that.They say whatever and go.They want us to just that.They think noone can say anything and noone can do anything.But we should.We should at least say something and then go.

Either way unfair or calculated, people need to know about this I believe.

Also this should not be a norm.Every team in icos should know that if they change rules after the fact just to reduce the token they should give people who would invest would hear about how they handle their business.
copper member
Activity: 269
Merit: 0
I want to know if this is normal behaviour.
İs this what bounty and airdrops are going to be like, rules can change and you have to go with it.Then every bounty starts with no kyc and at the end give me your ID or I won't give you what you worked for.There is a word fo it in law.What happens when this project is live and rules can change again.
Changing the rules after the game or even if it is ongoing is not fair to bounty hunters side but they did this almost too often and this became a norm even though it is immoral. Just ignore this airdrop and look for another one that don't require KYC if you don't want to give up your identification. Anyway it is just penny as it is only airdrops.
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
I believe it is waaaaaaaay more than 500..  telegram has 14,000 followers.  Look at other social sites.  There it's like 1200 at most.  I am confident in saying it is well into the thousands of people who got scammed.
member
Activity: 420
Merit: 14
Of course, changing the rules on the part of the ICO team, especially at the end of the ICO or even after its completion, is a very big problem now for bounty hunters. In the last it happens almost in large quantities. I especially don’t like it if the team decides not to send the earned tokens to our wallets, but forces us to register on their websites or their new exchangers, to provide various additional information in order to have a personal account where the new tokens will be transferred. Sometimes it is very difficult to understand. I already have several such storage sites for tokens. I am very unhappy about this, because it all makes me nervous.
member
Activity: 308
Merit: 11
This is all, of course, not normal. The requirement to provide various additional information from participants of the ICO generosity campaign in the middle of a campaign or after it should be considered a fraud for not paying out the earned tokens. Perhaps, when this activity will be regulated by the state, then the rights and obligations of the ICO team will be clearly indicated and I hope that they will not have the right to demand any confidential information from the bounty hunters at all.
If a company tries to change the rules halfway they should at least have the deceny to give people a choise to not do the kyc and get the tokens to that point.Otherwise this is just calculated and full of bad intentions.
Lets think about an example.An airdrop announcement that says there will be no kyc.5000 bounty hunters enters the airdrop.Lets say 500 or more of them are people who would not risk their personal information for an airdrop and if there were kyc would not even apply.At the end of the campaign the team changes the rules and says there are strange things happening and all of the people has to do kyc and also if they don't do kyc their tokens are theirs.What would you do?Would you give in and give this kind of people your id for a lousy airdrop.Of course no.They just got away 500 people worth of tokens.Bam.Easy.
We should at least be able to say we are not happy.
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
Yep epiphany stuffed me around too. Had a bunch of tokens I worked for. Referred quite a few people and did the daily login thing almost every day. They just simply shut down my account never contacting me about anything. What the heck is going on?
full member
Activity: 854
Merit: 104
This is all, of course, not normal. The requirement to provide various additional information from participants of the ICO generosity campaign in the middle of a campaign or after it should be considered a fraud for not paying out the earned tokens. Perhaps, when this activity will be regulated by the state, then the rights and obligations of the ICO team will be clearly indicated and I hope that they will not have the right to demand any confidential information from the bounty hunters at all.
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