Rumours that russia will use nuclear but where ?

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Quote from: legiteum on June 12, 2024, 01:07:41 PM

Putin won't launch a nuclear weapon weapon unless he is prepared to engage in a nuclear war.

Putin won't start a nuclear war unless he is confident he would emerge victorious.

Right now, he would not win.

(Of course this could all change if Donald Trump is elected).

you sound so certain about what Putin can do or can't do! For all I know about Putin, dude could get desperate when he wants to get things done and we can't be certain of what's going on in his mind or the extent to which he would want to follow up on this war. The only reason why we can assume that he wouldn't want to make use of his nuclear weapon is the fact that the use of nuclear weapon is almost out of consideration with choosing war arsenal for a battle. Any nation that goes ahead to make use of nuclear weapon to settle a way deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.

People are so used to thinking America is a superpower they don’t realize that Russia has the technology to wipe us off the map right now if they wanted. They’re far ahead in supersonic weaponry and our defenses would be useless. We need to stop thinking we can police the world. We can’t. We need a negotiator to solve these types of issues. I know one who would be perfect for the job…

As they know perfectly well there is no celebration day after.

All your claims on weapons and technology are systematically being proven pure Kremlin propaganda. Not even half of what Ruzzia claims in all aspects are they able to actually use it in the field. As of today, they are the second best army ... in Ukraine.

The bottom line is that you cannot allow a nuclear power to invade others at will "or else", because they would simply take that as a weakness. You can only negotiate with Ruzzians once you have shown that they cannot impose their will by force. It is simply much better and cheaper to stop ~~Hitler in Poland~~ Putin in Ukraine.

They guy you are thinking of thinks he is a great eveything...but has delivered nothing internationally other than chaos.

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That is why there are treaties against nuclear proliferation, which have been signed by most of the countries on the planet. There are very few countries which are against it and still are developing their own nuclear weapons.
Those weapons you believe are unreasonable are actually called "weapons of mass destruction". They are called like that because they are designed from the beginning to inflict as much destruction as possible to the enemy indiscriminately, to both military forces and civilians, it is not only nuclear weapons, there are also chemical and biological weapons.

Because of the magnitude of the damage of nuclear weapons, that is why in these lastest years we have seen the development of smaller/micro nukes, Wich still use fission as a way to generate the explosion but just targeting a small objective: like a tank or a group of soldiers in the battle field, instead a whole city.

Doesn’t matter if they produce smaller/micro nukes, I still fear for how we humans will be the cause of our extinction. And it’s just worse to think that we’re still at the tip of it. I mean, there’s more to discover and build. We have not been here for crazily long but we have figured how to kill ourselves. I understand that there are times these weapons are needed. But knowing it exists and can be misused is worth being scared for.

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Quote from: oktana on June 13, 2024, 06:54:51 PM

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That is why there are treaties against nuclear proliferation, which have been signed by most of the countries on the planet. There are very few countries which are against it and still are developing their own nuclear weapons.
Those weapons you believe are unreasonable are actually called "weapons of mass destruction". They are called like that because they are designed from the beginning to inflict as much destruction as possible to the enemy indiscriminately, to both military forces and civilians, it is not only nuclear weapons, there are also chemical and biological weapons.

Because of the magnitude of the damage of nuclear weapons, that is why in these lastest years we have seen the development of smaller/micro nukes, Wich still use fission as a way to generate the explosion but just targeting a small objective: like a tank or a group of soldiers in the battle field, instead a whole city.

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We humans will be the cause of our extinction. I’m yet to fully read on the cause of extinction of other species that were like us, but human would end it all for no reason. Guns are understandable, grenades are understandable, but nuclear bombs? What are we trying to kill? To wipe off humanity entirely? It would be terrible if other countries have their nuclear bombs too because any slight misunderstanding, the world will be shrunk to nothing.

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It would make no sense if he did that.

First of all Putin still needs support of the people and he's already balancing on the edge because the longer the war lasts the more people lose their loved ones and will become anti-war and anti-government.
Most people don't support the use of nuclear weapons and are afraid of global war where we all get to breathe irradiated air and drink irradiated water.

Then there's a matter of retaliation. Many world leaders already think that Putin is insane, but using nukes would make him look insane to the whole world.
Countries that don't support Ukraine now might do it if nukes are used.
I'm sure that countries like Estonia, Finland and Poland would want NATO nukes to be stationed in their countries, which would be bad for Putin as it would increase the number of targets he'd have to hit in case of a global nuclear war.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on May 31, 2024, 10:51:58 AM

Wich location russia attacks first ?
They say that it's not full nuclear war russia will hit just one small place.

People try to act like no nuclear but we are going to see small nuclear attacks

The launch of a nuclear rocket will not be carried out haphazardly by a country, there will be sanctions imposed when they do that, especially since nuclear warheads are very large, they can damage areas over a wide range, so if there is news that says a country launched a nuclear weapon then be sure. It's all just a hoax, don't believe it easily

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^^^ Of course, with Russian nuke subs able to launch Satan II missiles from 300 mile away from the UK coast, the tsunamis created thereby would wipe out 90% of the UK. So everybody can see that Putin has a loving, sensitive heart.

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Quote from: Yucky on June 12, 2024, 01:43:16 PM

you sound so certain about what Putin can do or can't do! For all I know about Putin, dude could get desperate when he wants to get things done and we can't be certain of what's going on in his mind or the extent to which he would want to follow up on this war. The only reason why we can assume that he wouldn't want to make use of his nuclear weapon is the fact that the use of nuclear weapon is almost out of consideration with choosing war arsenal for a battle. Any nation that goes ahead to make use of nuclear weapon to settle a way deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.

Sure, Putin could do "anything", I guess theoretically speaking, but thus far he has never acted irrationally.

And it's unclear whether his military would follow his orders if they were so obviously suicidal. Launching a nuclear war is actually, in reality, far more complicated than "pushing a button". There would have to be planning for months, if not longer.

Quote from: OgNasty on June 12, 2024, 03:10:38 PM

People are so used to thinking America is a superpower they don’t realize that Russia has the technology to wipe us off the map right now if they wanted. They’re far ahead in supersonic weaponry and our defenses would be useless. We need to stop thinking we can police the world. We can’t. We need a negotiator to solve these types of issues. I know one who would be perfect for the job…

You make my point for me: Trump will surrender our strategic defenses to Putin if he wins again. This will cause a nuclear war to happen since Trump would so weaken the USA that Putin actually could win a nuclear war, which will cause it to start.

The reason the world has stayed out of a nuclear war for half a century is because a strong America has prevented it from happening by maintaining the strategic balance. America surrendering--or simply dissolving because of civil disunion--will mean China and Russia can do whatever they want with their nuclear weapons, and they will most certainly use them in that case.

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Quote from: Yucky on June 12, 2024, 01:43:16 PM

Quote from: legiteum on June 12, 2024, 01:07:41 PM

Putin won't launch a nuclear weapon weapon unless he is prepared to engage in a nuclear war.

Putin won't start a nuclear war unless he is confident he would emerge victorious.

Right now, he would not win.

(Of course this could all change if Donald Trump is elected).

you sound so certain about what Putin can do or can't do! For all I know about Putin, dude could get desperate when he wants to get things done and we can't be certain of what's going on in his mind or the extent to which he would want to follow up on this war. The only reason why we can assume that he wouldn't want to make use of his nuclear weapon is the fact that the use of nuclear weapon is almost out of consideration with choosing war arsenal for a battle. Any nation that goes ahead to make use of nuclear weapon to settle a way deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.

People are so used to thinking America is a superpower they don’t realize that Russia has the technology to wipe us off the map right now if they wanted. They’re far ahead in supersonic weaponry and our defenses would be useless. We need to stop thinking we can police the world. We can’t. We need a negotiator to solve these types of issues. I know one who would be perfect for the job…

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Quote from: legiteum on June 12, 2024, 01:07:41 PM

Putin won't launch a nuclear weapon weapon unless he is prepared to engage in a nuclear war.

Putin won't start a nuclear war unless he is confident he would emerge victorious.

Right now, he would not win.

(Of course this could all change if Donald Trump is elected).

you sound so certain about what Putin can do or can't do! For all I know about Putin, dude could get desperate when he wants to get things done and we can't be certain of what's going on in his mind or the extent to which he would want to follow up on this war. The only reason why we can assume that he wouldn't want to make use of his nuclear weapon is the fact that the use of nuclear weapon is almost out of consideration with choosing war arsenal for a battle. Any nation that goes ahead to make use of nuclear weapon to settle a way deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.

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Russia using even one nuclear weapon would instantly trigger an all-out war between them and NATO. And when I say "instantly", I mean, literally within milliseconds of a strategic weapon launch by Russia.

And once WWIII started, Russia would be tasked with... not losing that war.

The only way Russia would even have a snowball's chance of not losing a nuclear war would be to instantly launch all of their own strategic weapons at strategic targets in Europe and the US in order to mitigate a full counter-attack. In other words, they would need to use most of their weapons to bomb our bomb sites, submarine sites, command and control, etc. If they failed to do this (or realistically, even if they didn't), they would suffer a massive counter-attack that would annihilate their ability to make war on anything.

The "lone nuke theory" has no basis in reality. That's not how nuclear war works.

Putin won't launch a nuclear weapon weapon unless he is prepared to engage in a nuclear war.

Putin won't start a nuclear war unless he is confident he would emerge victorious.

Right now, he would not win.

(Of course this could all change if Donald Trump is elected).

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Quote from: kentrolla on May 31, 2024, 03:13:13 PM

This is bullshit as they will not use nuke else we all will be doomed if nuclear war starts, countries who have the nuclear weapon cannot use it now because there are more than one nation which possesses it and if there is any retaliation from another nuclear armed nation that's all. Why would they use it when they are fighting with much weaker opponents who are surviving due to outside support?

To me I disregard the rumour not to be true. Although it could be possible that Putin may have layed such threat as a terror tactics to demoralize a significant formation of the NATO.

We all already know the threats and warning that has been extended to him, so possibly he jus wanted to remind the World know that he is equiped with nuclear weapons too to fight back.

Literally I believe he would not do that because it has not gotten to that considering the active super weapons in used already and the fact that Ukraine can not overpower him to the extend of unleashing nuclear weapons.

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China will build a 2-million man army that will attack the Middle East, taking the pressure off Russia.

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Quote from: Volimack on June 08, 2024, 04:37:38 AM

Putin says Russia does not need to use nuclear weapons to ensure victory in Ukraine.

I fail to see how. Let's look at the facts. Ukraine has been starved of ammo for at least 6 months, Russia's production is in overdrive. Yet still failed to capitalize on this and has made no meaningful gains during this period.

The only path to victory for Putin is to move the goalposts of what actually victory looks like.

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If Western armed Ukraine were to retake these territories it would raise the risk of a nuclear attack in the region. Putin says Russia does not need to use nuclear weapons to ensure victory in Ukraine. It was the Kremlin's strongest indication yet that Europe's deadliest conflict since World War II would not escalate into a nuclear war. He is ready to use nuclear weapons if necessary to protect Russian territory and self defense.

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Putin wants to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, but he can't. China said no.

Even if he was given permission, it's still difficult to see a clear path how this would lead him to victory.
He would then have to explain to the public why he's dragged them into a nuclear war, essentially saying their conventional forces are useless.
More likely a fast track to his defeat.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 02, 2024, 02:37:03 PM

OP, it looks that you're really obessed with things like nuclear attacks, nuclear winter and similar stuff because I see similar kind of post from you not for the first time. I guess from where yoy're taking these rumours. Since the war started almost 2.5 years ago, we occasionally hear threats from Russia that they cam use nuclear weapon. But I consider risk that it can actually happen as very low and nothings has changed thatthey would use it now

He is doing his job - Putin is scared to death of a NATO intervention so wants to use the nuclear deterrent, but the fact is a nuclear escalation is likely to end Putin himself in the physical sense of the word. No, Ruzzia will not use a nuke in the current state of things, they have a lot to loose and pretty much nothing to gain from it.

Not even after HIMARS have targeted the troops in Belgorod, inside Ruzzia as it happened the last couple of days.

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OP, it looks that you're really obessed with things like nuclear attacks, nuclear winter and similar stuff because I see similar kind of post from you not for the first time. I guess from where yoy're taking these rumours. Since the war started almost 2.5 years ago, we occasionally hear threats from Russia that they cam use nuclear weapon. But I consider risk that it can actually happen as very low and nothings has changed thatthey would use it now

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They will not do that. When a nuke is activated I think the rest of the warheads will also be activated for being so paranoid and they will all shoot together against their adversaries. Russia's latest attack was just the energy sources, I guess they want the Ukrainian military to just be in the dark and neutralized just crawling in the dark.

North Korea has simple attacks done to the South. They are sending balloons with garbage lol

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I have said it before, and I think it is necessary I need to say it again. I don't like to talk about the use of nuclear weaponry in any way shape or form, the reasons are obvious. From the nuclear weapons and their use (even in small scales) can lead to further worsening of the war and the conflict.

Let us assume indeed Russia started to use small nuclear devices in small areas of Ukraine? The response for the Allies of Ukraine and the whole west it would not only be condemnation of the attack and the use of those weapons, retailiation using the same kinds of nukes would be almost guaranteed, it would be matter of time for the biggest and most powerful countries in the planet to reach mutual destruction. I somehow even assume Israel and Palestine would end up being affected, due to the nuclear capabilities of Iran.

Anyways, Whatever the rumors are, I hope they are all false and not a single nuke gets deployed Sad

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