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Quote from: LeGaulois on August 11, 2020, 11:33:17 AM

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

Isn't it a smart method? Testing stuff on other populations so you protect your, and you say your daughter tested it already so as not to make people worry. You just say she had a little fever, as they say. (At the same time their president want to be the first country to test it on a large scale, so...)
I suppose it will be considered the last trial before releasing it to the public.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

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I miss one story and find out that the Russians are testing an (untested in Phase 3) on citizens of the Philippines to see if it works. Well shit, that's something. Not sure on why they would agree to something like this.

If it works though that's great and all, but this doesn't seem like the right road to go down to find out if it does work. Seems like a risk to Duerte. Putin -- eh -- his people probably won't find out the truth on their state run news network so it really doesn't matter for him, eh? Dictators usually don't have to face much resistance from within their country.

Putin is making all of this shit up as a propaganda event for his people and to prop himself up, artifically, on the world stage. Not sure who he thinks hes fooling, but I guess it works if he always pulls shit like this.

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Quote from: franky1 on August 11, 2020, 01:45:21 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 11, 2020, 01:19:49 PM

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

those doctors stitched in labels into their white lab coats of 'frontline' but they are not frontline doctors

Some of them are frontline doctors. Even doctors do their own stitching now and again. The important thing is that they are right about HCQ.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 11, 2020, 01:19:49 PM

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

those doctors stitched in labels into their white lab coats of 'frontline' but they are not frontline doctors

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Quote from: franky1 on August 11, 2020, 12:15:27 PM

read the real news folks

UK done phase 1 and started phase 2 and then started phase 3 before phase 2 finished. UK also already prepped 100m doses before getting phase 2 or 3 results

russia done phase 1 and done(completed) phase 2.
it is about to start making(but not releasing) huge amounts of the vaccine. and will start phase 3 in october
phase 3 in october is not a 'everyone that wants it' mass vaccination campaign. it is the phase 3 of just volunteer doctors and teachers.

western media are trying to spin it as if russia is releasing the vaccine to everyone in october and saying its bad
yet thats not whats happening

i can already predict the news in october
western news will say that other countries refused to buy russia's vaccine in september due to no results
the truth is russia is not even handing it out.
western media jsut dont like it that russia passed its phase 2 while UK/US are still waiting on phase 2 results
so they make russia's efforts to move forward to phase 3 hidden by suggesting there is no phase 3. and suggesting its a mass vaccination campaign instead

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

Or get the 1 death per million (rather than 431 deaths per million as in the USA) like the six African nations listed near the middle of this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI.

If you don't have long-term safety studies, you might as well drink bleach right out of the bottle.

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I really don't understand what made the Russians so eager to risk things... Do they still want to simply show that their model of governance is better?

But at what cost 🧐

It is downright stupid to risk these through...

However do keep an eye on human challenge trials... Maybe this is just one in the making 😅

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anyone who needs vaccinated for covid will likely volunteer as guinea pig really. if i am infected by covid, i'd gladly be the first to offer my arm for their syringes.
but Putin must really have to test it to their people as well. each individual has different reaction to the vaccine after injected. it has to be tested to lots of volunteers so side effects could already be seen and fixed before giving it to all.

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read the real news folks

UK done phase 1 and started phase 2 and then started phase 3 before phase 2 finished. UK also already prepped 100m doses before getting phase 2 or 3 results

russia done phase 1 and done(completed) phase 2.
it is about to start making(but not releasing) huge amounts of the vaccine. and will start phase 3 in october
phase 3 in october is not a 'everyone that wants it' mass vaccination campaign. it is the phase 3 of just volunteer doctors and teachers.

western media are trying to spin it as if russia is releasing the vaccine to everyone in october and saying its bad
yet thats not whats happening

i can already predict the news in october
western news will say that other countries refused to buy russia's vaccine in september due to no results
the truth is russia is not even handing it out.
western media jsut dont like it that russia passed its phase 2 while UK/US are still waiting on phase 2 results
so they make russia's efforts to move forward to phase 3 hidden by suggesting there is no phase 3. and suggesting its a mass vaccination campaign instead

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Quote from: AjithBtc on August 11, 2020, 12:06:03 PM

WHO has requested for the safety data review for the vaccine with Russia's vaccine for corona virus. Months back itself human trials in my country for covid-19 vaccine have started. Bharat Biotech International with collaboration with the Indian council of medical research and zydas cadila healthcare limited is doing the first and second phase of clinical trials on human.

Our Prime Minister revealed statement of the vaccine coming to usage by August 15th(independence day). Further there is no information about it. Hope the vaccine from any of the country will soon be found for usage.

That's this week already, Aug 15. If it will push thru, you are one of the earliest recipients of this vaccine. But with the population in your country, they really have to deploy the vaccine as soon as possible to lessen if not prevent more deaths.

With regards to Russian vaccine, if it is untested, then what is the assurance that it is effective to combat the virus?

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WHO has requested for the safety data review for the vaccine with Russia's vaccine for corona virus. Months back itself human trials in my country for covid-19 vaccine have started. Bharat Biotech International with collaboration with the Indian council of medical research and zydas cadila healthcare limited is doing the first and second phase of clinical trials on human.

Our Prime Minister revealed statement of the vaccine coming to usage by August 15th(independence day). Further there is no information about it. Hope the vaccine from any of the country will soon be found for usage.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on August 11, 2020, 11:33:17 AM

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

We started human trials two months ago with the UK vaccines so I don't think 3 months is long enough to determine there are no long term health effects. And testing it on the Philippines and not members of your own population sounds a bit strange (almost as if they don't have confidence).

Long term health effects from certain things can take months or years to show which a lot of vaccines probably won't be able to protect against. I think a vaccine would probably be better offered to everyone who wants it and prioritise those who need it and not just be given to everyone...

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Quote from: jackg on August 11, 2020, 11:20:58 AM

Russia have developed a vaccine that is yet to have clinical trials and yet to be proven effective against the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus.

Yes, it raised concerns since the vaccine didn't go through the usual phases and trials as what other countries did. As reported last April, Russia passed a law to bypass the requirements for Phase 3 trials to be conducted before approval. The reason the vaccine was developed fast and not with the usual timeline of at least 1 year (as per health experts). And since Russia hasn't shown any medical data for some tests they did, it adds more concerns. But Russian President Putin also claims that one his daughter received a vaccine dose and after a certain period, she's now feeling well. Maybe to lessen the worries.

However, despite all these concerns, the demand is now high and at least 20 countries showed interest in their vaccine. And I believed, Putin won't announce it to the world if they aren't sure about the safety of their vaccine.

Whether it's risky or not, it honestly creates positive views by most people globally. We are all waiting for the vaccine. I just hope everything will be fine and this Russian vaccine will really eliminate the COVID-19. Hope other counties that also developing a vaccine will successfully pass their respective trials too.

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The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

Isn't it a smart method? Testing stuff on other populations so you protect your, and you say your daughter tested it already so as not to make people worry. You just say she had a little fever, as they say. (At the same time their president want to be the first country to test it on a large scale, so...)
I suppose it will be considered the last trial before releasing it to the public.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

the previous OP is quoted below and wasn't edited since the post date until now afaik.

Russia, instead of what most people were lead to believe, have now started a stage 3 safety trial on the vaccine.

This is the point at where other countries are currently at, if you'd like to check the stages and what they mean, I'd suggest this wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_trial

The Oxford trial and a few other countries trials have already entered this stage and russia is technically a month behind the rest - probably why they came out with such bold statements when it started to move into phase III.

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Russia have developed a vaccine that is yet to have clinical trials and yet to be proven effective against the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus. I think most health boards were under the assumption that 1 in 15 vaccines prove to be effective and safe (and collectively Europe and the US have around 17 currently being tested - or a similar number).

It's also a bit worrying that they're giving doses to healthcare workers and teachers at a fairly fast pace soon however they might reconsider what they're doing or wait for better results before going forward.

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