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Russia has openly offered itself to the West since the collapse of the USSR, and with just a little more feeling for its interests,
which the West could then quite painlessly incorporate with its power its strategic interests in a broader sense - everything
could have been different.

Or you could escape your medieval mentality and understand that maybe, only maybe, the people in Ukraine may actually have something to say about the future of Ukraine and their own future and choose how they want to live and what do they choose to die for.

Alas, I am asking the impossible. You live too long under someone's foot and the only thing left in your brain is trying to choose the nicest looking shoe sole to get smashed in fashion.
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Russia has openly offered itself to the West since the collapse of the USSR, and with just a little more feeling for its interests,
which the West could then quite painlessly incorporate with its power its strategic interests in a broader sense - everything
could have been different.
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On a related topic, people seem mystified that Russia hasn't taken out the bridges over the Dnieper river which, obviously, they could do without much trouble.  That would tend to slow the supply of Western weapons to the battle front.  To me it seems fairly obvious that the Russians WANT as many weapons over in the East as possible so as to have a more 'target rich environment'.
Perhaps this is due to the massive deliveries of loitering ammunition Lancet to the front, every day I see several fresh videos on the net with video recording of their combat use. It seems the favorite targets for the Lancets are radar stations and M777 howitzers. It should also be noted that Russia almost stopped missile strikes in the last month and a half (perhaps it decided to accumulate a sufficient supply of missiles for a mass strike or the missiles finally ran out) and began to actively use guided bombs, as well as high-explosive bombs with a universal planning and correction module, moreover Ukraine currently has no means to counter such strikes.

The myth of 8 years is so deep-rooted that you don't even notice that already 9 years have passed. I have a question: people like you, who have been supporting this story about the bombing of Donbass since 2014, usually also claim that Ukraine does not have an army, weapons. What then the Donbass was bombed with? Mystery... Another story you love is that there are a lot of ethnic russians living in Ukraine, we are "actually one people" in your opinion, so they are settled throughout Ukraine, and not just in the Donbass. Why, then, was the unarmed non-army of Ukraine limited itself to 8 (read 9) years by the Donbass? According to this sick logic, it should have started bombing all of the country. Oh yes, that's exactly what you think we're doing right now. We bombard our cities ourselves, kill and rape innocent people, launch rockets into our power plants. And all because we don’t want to make "relatively little" concessions that white and fluffy Russia demands of us, concerned only with the well-being of its people (which is impossible not to notice when looking at how its population lives)
People like me? It seems you are on the slippery slope of false generalizations, I am a unique specimen of the human race, there are no people like me. Grin

Updated.

I'm not going to rake in your head the crap of Ukrainian propaganda that claims that the Russians in the Donbas are shelling themselves to defame the good name of Ukraine, in the best traditions of Goebbels that the more monstrous the lie, the more willing it will be believed. Try to find on the OSCE website for yourself the recorded facts of the shelling of the Donbas by Ukraine before the Russian invasion, you may be very surprised by their number.

ps Where I live, you can meet wild bears in the forest. And if you come face to face with an adult male bear, you are unlikely to be in danger, usually bears do not come into conflict with people and prefer to retreat from the meeting place. But if you meet a little bear cub in the forest, start praying as quickly as possible. Because his mother bear is somewhere nearby and most likely you are already in the status of her victim. I hope you liked this story and you will be able to independently draw some analogies between Ukraine, Donbas and Russia.
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Few days ago I posted that Russians complaining that Ukrainians is already on the left bank of Dnipro river ner to Kherson. Then it looked more like fake, but seems that's something is really going on here:
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/36321

There is a swamp with no possibility of organizing a crossing for tanks and armored vehicles. The activity of small sabotage groups in this area does not personally bother me too much, but if this serves as a source of cheer for you, I will not disappoint you.

I would suggest to the Ukroids to not set up to many encampments near the river, even if welcomed to do so by the Russians, without drawing down some of the dams first.  The Russians seem to have unstoppable Rods From God's Little Brother) which can take out 100 meter bunkers and are accurate to a meter or so.  I doubt that such tools would have much trouble taking out a series of dams in a sequential order and causing quite a high water level for a period of time.

On a related topic, people seem mystified that Russia hasn't taken out the bridges over the Dnieper river which, obviously, they could do without much trouble.  That would tend to slow the supply of Western weapons to the battle front.  To me it seems fairly obvious that the Russians WANT as many weapons over in the East as possible so as to have a more 'target rich environment'.

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I think the main purpose of this ICC warrant was an attempt to disrupt Xi's visit to Moscow, and when this failed, everyone somehow quickly forgot about the warrant, as if it did not exist at all.
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Well that's some brain gymnastics right there. Why would it disrupt Xi's visit? Xi isn't really a price winning human rights activist either as they don't even recognize Dutch extradition treaty.
It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of the warrant. And yeah, warrant exist, you would know this if you just looked it up, why do you think it's forgotten? Don't tell me, because he isn't arrested?
Nah, that would be a stupid answer.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-prosecutor-karim-khan-kc-issuance-arrest-warrants-against-president-vladimir-putin
Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute, so for Russian citizens this warrant is a legally insignificant piece of paper. It happens, the USA, Ukraine, China and many other countries have not ratified the Rome Statute either. Moreover, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the incumbent president cannot be held criminally liable. And also in accordance with the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons (Adopted by resolution 3166 (XXVIII) of the UN General Assembly of December 14, 1973), heads of state enjoy absolute immunity. It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of this Convention. Grin

There must be thousands if not tens of thousands of "Khan" living in the UK, including, guess who? ... The current major of London, Sadiq Khan. I personally know a couple of "Khan" in my own country. It is a common name from certain region of Iran.

Now, could anyone point to any indication that this could be used, particularly since it is known and judged, to blackmail and that there is any close link between these people?

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Khan, which is more popular as a surname, is a Turkish boy's name meaning "prince," so get ready to give your son the royal treatment. Khan is a shorter form of Khagan, and was originally a historic title given to military chiefs and rulers.
Apparently my English is not that good, but I did not catch the connection between what you quoted and the content of your answer. Please rephrase if you would like a more meaningful answer.

On the "useless piece of paper"... well, your argument is plainly stupid, including a deep lack of understanding of how international law works. Of course Putin will not get arrested while in Russia, China, etc... and of course your "constitution" can give him the right to but-fuck cows in public without any consequence. You do not seem to get the real problem here: Most of the government of Putin including himself are banned from international diplomacy in many countries that do accept this sentence. Another of the great achievements of your horse loving gay hating septuagenarian idol
Do not worry about it. For foreign diplomacy Russia has a foreign minister. Also, modern technologies make it possible to replace face-to-face meetings with videoconferencing or phone calls where necessary. You can also keep your wet erotic fantasies about gays, cows and horses to yourself.

Russia wanted and still wants relatively little from Ukraine - a neutral non-bloc status and stop killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, which it has been doing for the past eight years.
Do you still believe that ''genocide'' and neutral status of Ukraine is the reason of invasion.
Yep.

Throw nazi here and there and at the same time "RF wants very little from Ukraine"... such a cynicism at this stage of the war is ridiculous. That is the true Nazi in you, imposing violently on others (from a safe distance of course, you are also a "chairborne soldier") just because the RF wants this and that...

And all covered in more lies... the RF wants nothing, it is Putin's court of psychos.
Breathe deeply, you are excited.

Few days ago I posted that Russians complaining that Ukrainians is already on the left bank of Dnipro river ner to Kherson. Then it looked more like fake, but seems that's something is really going on here:
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/36321
There is a swamp with no possibility of organizing a crossing for tanks and armored vehicles. The activity of small sabotage groups in this area does not personally bother me too much, but if this serves as a source of cheer for you, I will not disappoint you.

In general, regarding the Ukrainian offensive, whose timing is constantly shifting, I can say the following. It seems that the "Bakhmut meat grinder" operation inflicted a critical level of damage on Ukraine at the level of junior officers with real combat experience. And the offensive potential of Russia now looks much higher than the offensive potential of Ukraine.
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If you consider some countries to be bad, then you are an ordinary Nazi, cultivating enmity and hatred here, projecting your internal phobias into the public Internet space. Russia wanted and still wants relatively little from Ukraine - a neutral non-bloc status and stop killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, which it has been doing for the past eight years.

The myth of 8 years is so deep-rooted that you don't even notice that already 9 years have passed. I have a question: people like you, who have been supporting this story about the bombing of Donbass since 2014, usually also claim that Ukraine does not have an army, weapons. What then the Donbass was bombed with? Mystery... Another story you love is that there are a lot of ethnic russians living in Ukraine, we are "actually one people" in your opinion, so they are settled throughout Ukraine, and not just in the Donbass. Why, then, was the unarmed non-army of Ukraine limited itself to 8 (read 9) years by the Donbass? According to this sick logic, it should have started bombing all of the country. Oh yes, that's exactly what you think we're doing right now. We bombard our cities ourselves, kill and rape innocent people, launch rockets into our power plants. And all because we don’t want to make "relatively little" concessions that white and fluffy Russia demands of us, concerned only with the well-being of its people (which is impossible not to notice when looking at how its population lives)
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Few days ago I posted that Russians complaining that Ukrainians is already on the left bank of Dnipro river ner to Kherson. Then it looked more like fake, but seems that's something is really going on here:
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/36321

Found a cool site that is documenting every known piece of equipment that is destroyed, damaged, abandoned or captured with images of everything.

Ukraine:
Tanks (490, of which destroyed: 302, damaged: 29, abandoned: 19, captured: 140)
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (523, of which destroyed: 371, damaged: 13, abandoned: 31, captured: 108)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html


Russia:
Tanks (1907, of which destroyed: 1161, damaged: 101, abandoned: 101, captured: 544)
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (2319, of which destroyed: 1508, damaged: 73, abandoned: 129, captured: 607)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Great resource, I follow it since first months of war. Offcourse, it's not possible to get photos of every destroyed tank or armoured machine, but you can get general impression. No emotions, just facts

Russia wanted and still wants relatively little from Ukraine - a neutral non-bloc status and stop killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, which it has been doing for the past eight years.
Do you still believe that ''genocide'' and neutral status of Ukraine is the reason of invasion.

There seems to be Ukrainian troops East of the Dnipro. Looks more of a preparation, not a full blown assault. It looks quite strategic to drive the assault so far from the largest concentration of RF troops and also so close to the borders with non-combatant countries.

Of course it's everybody else that's bad. Finland and Sweden don't invade other countries, but they're bad, Ukraine never invaded, but it's bad, Poland doesn't invade but it's bad, France is bad, the whole world is to blame just not Russians. The more I watch this war going, the more I hope this fucked up country finally bombs itself into oblivion.
If you consider some countries to be bad, then you are an ordinary Nazi, cultivating enmity and hatred here, projecting your internal phobias into the public Internet space. Russia wanted and still wants relatively little from Ukraine ....

Throw nazi here and there and at the same time "RF wants very little from Ukraine"... such a cynicism at this stage of the war is ridiculous. That is the true Nazi in you, imposing violently on others (from a safe distance of course, you are also a "chairborne soldier") just because the RF wants this and that...

And all covered in more lies... the RF wants nothing, it is Putin's court of psychos.

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Few days ago I posted that Russians complaining that Ukrainians is already on the left bank of Dnipro river ner to Kherson. Then it looked more like fake, but seems that's something is really going on here:
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/36321

Found a cool site that is documenting every known piece of equipment that is destroyed, damaged, abandoned or captured with images of everything.

Ukraine:
Tanks (490, of which destroyed: 302, damaged: 29, abandoned: 19, captured: 140)
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (523, of which destroyed: 371, damaged: 13, abandoned: 31, captured: 108)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html


Russia:
Tanks (1907, of which destroyed: 1161, damaged: 101, abandoned: 101, captured: 544)
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (2319, of which destroyed: 1508, damaged: 73, abandoned: 129, captured: 607)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Great resource, I follow it since first months of war. Offcourse, it's not possible to get photos of every destroyed tank or armoured machine, but you can get general impression. No emotions, just facts

Russia wanted and still wants relatively little from Ukraine - a neutral non-bloc status and stop killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, which it has been doing for the past eight years.
Do you still believe that ''genocide'' and neutral status of Ukraine is the reason of invasion.
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I think the main purpose of this ICC warrant was an attempt to disrupt Xi's visit to Moscow, and when this failed, everyone somehow quickly forgot about the warrant, as if it did not exist at all.
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Well that's some brain gymnastics right there. Why would it disrupt Xi's visit? Xi isn't really a price winning human rights activist either as they don't even recognize Dutch extradition treaty.
It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of the warrant. And yeah, warrant exist, you would know this if you just looked it up, why do you think it's forgotten? Don't tell me, because he isn't arrested?
Nah, that would be a stupid answer.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-prosecutor-karim-khan-kc-issuance-arrest-warrants-against-president-vladimir-putin
Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute, so for Russian citizens this warrant is a legally insignificant piece of paper. It happens, the USA, Ukraine, China and many other countries have not ratified the Rome Statute either. Moreover, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the incumbent president cannot be held criminally liable. And also in accordance with the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons (Adopted by resolution 3166 (XXVIII) of the UN General Assembly of December 14, 1973), heads of state enjoy absolute immunity. It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of this Convention. Grin

There must be thousands if not tens of thousands of "Khan" living in the UK, including, guess who? ... The current major of London, Sadiq Khan. I personally know a couple of "Khan" in my own country. It is a common name from certain region of Iran.

Now, could anyone point to any indication that this could be used, particularly since it is known and judged, to blackmail and that there is any close link between these people?

Quote
Khan, which is more popular as a surname, is a Turkish boy's name meaning "prince," so get ready to give your son the royal treatment. Khan is a shorter form of Khagan, and was originally a historic title given to military chiefs and rulers.

On the "useless piece of paper"... well, your argument is plainly stupid, including a deep lack of understanding of how international law works. Of course Putin will not get arrested while in Russia, China, etc... and of course your "constitution" can give him the right to but-fuck cows in public without any consequence. You do not seem to get the real problem here: Most of the government of Putin including himself are banned from international diplomacy in many countries that do accept this sentence. Another of the great achievements of your horse loving gay hating septuagenarian idol
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Of course it's everybody else that's bad. Finland and Sweden don't invade other countries, but they're bad, Ukraine never invaded, but it's bad, Poland doesn't invade but it's bad, France is bad, the whole world is to blame just not Russians. The more I watch this war going, the more I hope this fucked up country finally bombs itself into oblivion.
If you consider some countries to be bad, then you are an ordinary Nazi, cultivating enmity and hatred here, projecting your internal phobias into the public Internet space. Russia wanted and still wants relatively little from Ukraine - a neutral non-bloc status and stop killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, which it has been doing for the past eight years.
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Of course it's everybody else that's bad. Finland and Sweden don't invade other countries, but they're bad, Ukraine never invaded, but it's bad, Poland doesn't invade but it's bad, France is bad, the whole world is to blame just not Russians. The more I watch this war going, the more I hope this fucked up country finally bombs itself into oblivion.

After Napoleon, Poland, Kaiser, almost whole world during Bolshevik revolution, Hitler...they saw USA expanding toward
their border with MILITARY pact.
I'd be nervous if I'd be Russian, too
So your "drunk man" example totally missed the point
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That "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi" policy of the West seems main culprit
Otherwise we can all surely agree that invading other countries is bad, be it USA or Russia or whoever doing it

Most countries never do, yet it's somehow fine if Russians do it, because they aren't the only country that's ever done it, right?
It's like coming to a party, making a fool of yourself, breaking some stuff, acting like an idiot, finally puking all over, but when someone mentions it, hey, I wasn't the only one that ever did it at a party. Doesn't matter that there was 100 people there, 95 of which never did anything like that, it's all fine because there were some people that did it. That's the Russian stance. We can murder Ukrainians because Americans murdered people in Afghanistan and Iraq and Nazis murdered Jews, so everything is fine.

Of course it's everybody else that's bad. Finland and Sweden don't invade other countries, but they're bad, Ukraine never invaded, but it's bad, Poland doesn't invade but it's bad, France is bad, the whole world is to blame just not Russians. The more I watch this war going, the more I hope this fucked up country finally bombs itself into oblivion.
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Meanwhile, South Africa will withdraw from the International Criminal Court (ICC) following the decision of the African National Congress (ANC) party. This was announced on April 25 by President Cyril Ramaphosa. “The decision of the ANC to withdraw from the International Criminal Court is explained by the partiality of the ICC in relation to certain situations,” he said after talks with Finnish President Sauli Niinistö.

I think the main reason for this demarche is Putin's planned visit to South Africa for the BRICS summit in August, so that there is no conflict between the legal need to arrest him and the actual unwillingness to do so.
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They simply  can't fathom that they can't make rules for the whole world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLxnIqi4Uc
Not so bad if it really were the rules for the whole world, like the universal laws of physics or something like that. It's really bad - when these are the rules for the whole world for everyone but you. A particularly bright blaze of asses begins when it turns out that this sword is double-edged. Grin

That "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi" policy of the West seems main culprit
Otherwise we can all surely agree that invading other countries is bad, be it USA or Russia or whoever doing it
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They simply  can't fathom that they can't make rules for the whole world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLxnIqi4Uc
Not so bad if it really were the rules for the whole world, like the universal laws of physics or something like that. It's really bad - when these are the rules for the whole world for everyone but you. A particularly bright blaze of asses begins when it turns out that this sword is double-edged. Grin
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Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute, so for Russian citizens this warrant is a legally insignificant piece of paper. It happens, the USA, Ukraine, China and many other countries have not ratified the Rome Statute either. Moreover, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the incumbent president cannot be held criminally liable. And also in accordance with the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons (Adopted by resolution 3166 (XXVIII) of the UN General Assembly of December 14, 1973), heads of state enjoy absolute immunity. It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of this Convention. Grin

Slobodan Milošević probably thought his arrest warrant was a legally insignificant piece of paper too.
The NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, the arrest of Milosevic and his murder in prison by the method of not providing quality medical care is perhaps the most shameful page in the recent history of Europe. It is even strange that you draw these analogies here, they are very disadvantageous for Ukraine.

They simply  can't fathom that they can't make rules for the whole world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLxnIqi4Uc
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Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute, so for Russian citizens this warrant is a legally insignificant piece of paper. It happens, the USA, Ukraine, China and many other countries have not ratified the Rome Statute either. Moreover, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the incumbent president cannot be held criminally liable. And also in accordance with the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons (Adopted by resolution 3166 (XXVIII) of the UN General Assembly of December 14, 1973), heads of state enjoy absolute immunity. It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of this Convention. Grin

Slobodan Milošević probably thought his arrest warrant was a legally insignificant piece of paper too.
The NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, the arrest of Milosevic and his murder in prison by the method of not providing quality medical care is perhaps the most shameful page in the recent history of Europe. It is even strange that you draw these analogies here, they are very disadvantageous for Ukraine.
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I am not astonished at all that ordinary russians support their government. The percentage of people living below the poverty line, without education, without prospects, without dreams and opportunities, is huge in russia.

And they also throw people in jail for not supporting Russia.

Nobody deny it. I never said that all russians are like that. But they also let much more people out of jail if they agree to go for the war and kill innocent people. And besides, some of the people they eventually threw in jail, were the ones who fully understood the consequences of their disagreement and not-supporting the regime. Those people deserve respect. And they made this decision precisely because they understand that there is no place for educated, developed people striving for a better life in the version of russia that exists now. And perhaps the fact that such people are imprisoned will make at least those who are outside of russia think about what is happening there, and that the situation has long gone beyond the internal upheavals of a particular state.
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I am not astonished at all that ordinary russians support their government. The percentage of people living below the poverty line, without education, without prospects, without dreams and opportunities, is huge in russia.

And they also throw people in jail for not supporting Russia.


Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute, so for Russian citizens this warrant is a legally insignificant piece of paper. It happens, the USA, Ukraine, China and many other countries have not ratified the Rome Statute either. Moreover, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the incumbent president cannot be held criminally liable. And also in accordance with the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons (Adopted by resolution 3166 (XXVIII) of the UN General Assembly of December 14, 1973), heads of state enjoy absolute immunity. It sounds like you are just undermining the legitimacy of this Convention. Grin

Slobodan Milošević probably thought his arrest warrant was a legally insignificant piece of paper too.
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