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Meanwhile, there are rumors, which I can neither confirm nor deny, that as a result of one of the missile strikes, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was eliminated. At least he hasn't appeared in public for about a month. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the delay of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

I think Russians should worry less about the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and worry much more about the Victory Day parade yesterday which was a failure as only one tank of Soviet era was in show in the Moscow red square there.The fact that Wagner group is being nominated as a terrorist group from many EU countries starting from France should put a stop to their misery and cruelty and they even threatened to leave Bakhmut.The tanks overriding Russian troops there and gaining 2.6 km square should point to Russia that the war is mostly lost in all fronts and only terror by hitting the Red Cross building in Odessa is what they can do,in fact they only terrorized civilians during all this war as when it comes to military fight Russian army seem the worse and weaker of all.

The term 'terrorist group' simply isn't used by Russia. If it were, they would have labeled the US and Nato terrorists long ago. The US, via the CIA, is the most powerful terrorist organization around.

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So when is the "Great Mother Russia" going to win this planned three days war in Kiev which precipitated really fast for the worse in Russia.I only hope that you guys do not turn like the Russia of post Soviet era where children at that time were very happy to eat a piece of bread with butter during Sundays only as judging how the war is going most likely it is there that will be the end result of this unprovoked illegal invasion of a peaceful country.

Are Russians that stupid to not understand that the war is damaging more them than anyone else,well except the poor Ukrainian civilians they kill as when it comes to military fight unfortunately the true soldiers of Russia are already dead.
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 Sufficient to say that many people even in the UK call London "Londongrad" or "Moscow Upon Thames" for the immense fortunes that the RF kleptocrats have deposited in the form of empty flats and Victorian houses in Chelsea. Who would want to destroy such a expensive beauty?



Dunno...maybe those people who got their "expensive beauty" frozen/stolen?
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 Sufficient to say that many people even in the UK call London "Londongrad" or "Moscow Upon Thames" for the immense fortunes that the RF kleptocrats have deposited in the form of empty flats and Victorian houses in Chelsea. Who would want to destroy such a expensive beauty?



Dunno...maybe those people who got their "expensive beauty" frozen/stolen?
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I repeat, nothing is happening, nothing planned. Drink well, go parade. Speaking of which.... nice T-34, but my favourite part of the parade was the air show - featuring 300 state of the art and fully invisible planes that I am sure were there. Unless there were not, in which case... it speaks a lot about the loyalty of the air force and how sure is Putin of having something flying over him.
As far as I know, in Moscow and the region, the "closed sky" mode was activated to prevent possible provocations. It seems that more than 20 drones were landed by means of electronic warfare and several drones were shot down by drone strikers. The parade went smoothly, with the exception of complaints from Muscovites about the difficulty of calling a taxi, due to jamming of the GPS satellite navigation signal.

Didn't you like Yars mobile strategic complexes at the parade? More serious than tanks.

So this is you confirming that the RF has no invisible aircrafts and there were none in the parade? Be careful, you may get a few years in jail for speaking badly of the Orc army. The fact that they had to close the sky should tell you something about the difference between the "air supremacy" you have been claiming in your posts versus the "hype supremacy" that is the official press in the RF.

Oh, I love the Yars. I am sure that they work as well as everything else in your country and they will deliver a high level of "hype superiority" if not "hype supremacy". But just remember, there is no way you use one of those and do not get an equivalent response back. My take is that if it is the US, they would not even have to use nukes for a very complete retaliation.

Most Russians on telegram war channels ask for those to hit London, not Kiev
Even ordinary Russians know who's pulling the strings

Oh Branko, you are so funny ... you have not yet asked yourself why London is the last place Putin would destroy - that is, if the ICBMs of the RF army have any fuel on them and can actually take off without all the electronics that have been sold along the way.

 Sufficient to say that many people even in the UK call London "Londongrad" or "Moscow Upon Thames" for the immense fortunes that the RF kleptocrats have deposited in the form of empty flats and Victorian houses in Chelsea. Who would want to destroy such a expensive beauty?

https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/03/05/the-rise-and-fall-of-londongrad

Most Russians on telegram war channels ask for those to hit London, not Kiev
Even ordinary Russians know who's pulling the strings

Patience is a virtue.

NATO-country populations are starting to get things figured out and getting restive, but they need more softening up via the Ukraine-war treatment.  If next winter is a hard one, that will expedite the process.

The Poles, and probably the Baltics, will never get it figured out.  So happens that these are also the ones which also need some property line adjustments for a 'better Europe' moving forward.  The trick is going to be to get Polish forces to set foot in Ukraine formally.  Once that trap is set, blitzkrieg right down the the Polish/Ukrainian border.  If the Poles can be induced to fire from the Polish side, then poof!  No more Article 5.  If the rest of the European populations are sufficiently pissed about NATO mistakes and grifts, unhappy with Polish idiocy, and genuinely concerned about how far things might progress in their direction, they would tend to 'understand' that Russia/White-Russia is reacting to an attack from Poland.  Hopefully the people would, en-mass, decide that desolving NATO is vastly preferable to risking the end of the world in support of the rabid Poles.

I believe that the Russians would be just fine having a rather large but land-locked RumpPolKrainistan centered  where they are now (which so happens to be suspiciously situated over the old 'pale of settlement'.)  It would serve as dumping zone for Nazis and other associated creeps.  The important thing would be to have direct transit points to other countries for transport of goods, energy, etc, which bypasses (South and North) the garbage heap so they cannot control and tax trade.  I'll bet that Russia would be very happy to stop right there and get back to building up their country since that seems to be what the are most interested in at this time.



Yes, on that we agree. Patience is a virtue. One can spend a whole life waiting for somethings to happen. Or two lives... or ten generations.
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Most Russians on telegram war channels ask for those to hit London, not Kiev
Even ordinary Russians know who's pulling the strings

Patience is a virtue.

NATO-country populations are starting to get things figured out and getting restive, but they need more softening up via the Ukraine-war treatment.  If next winter is a hard one, that will expedite the process.

The Poles, and probably the Baltics, will never get it figured out.  So happens that these are also the ones which also need some property line adjustments for a 'better Europe' moving forward.  The trick is going to be to get Polish forces to set foot in Ukraine formally.  Once that trap is set, blitzkrieg right down the the Polish/Ukrainian border.  If the Poles can be induced to fire from the Polish side, then poof!  No more Article 5.  If the rest of the European populations are sufficiently pissed about NATO mistakes and grifts, unhappy with Polish idiocy, and genuinely concerned about how far things might progress in their direction, they would tend to 'understand' that Russia/White-Russia is reacting to an attack from Poland.  Hopefully the people would, en-mass, decide that desolving NATO is vastly preferable to risking the end of the world in support of the rabid Poles.

I believe that the Russians would be just fine having a rather large but land-locked RumpPolKrainistan centered  where they are now (which so happens to be suspiciously situated over the old 'pale of settlement'.)  It would serve as dumping zone for Nazis and other associated creeps.  The important thing would be to have direct transit points to other countries for transport of goods, energy, etc, which bypasses (South and North) the garbage heap so they cannot control and tax trade.  I'll bet that Russia would be very happy to stop right there and get back to building up their country since that seems to be what the are most interested in at this time.

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I repeat, nothing is happening, nothing planned. Drink well, go parade. Speaking of which.... nice T-34, but my favourite part of the parade was the air show - featuring 300 state of the art and fully invisible planes that I am sure were there. Unless there were not, in which case... it speaks a lot about the loyalty of the air force and how sure is Putin of having something flying over him.
As far as I know, in Moscow and the region, the "closed sky" mode was activated to prevent possible provocations. It seems that more than 20 drones were landed by means of electronic warfare and several drones were shot down by drone strikers. The parade went smoothly, with the exception of complaints from Muscovites about the difficulty of calling a taxi, due to jamming of the GPS satellite navigation signal.

Didn't you like Yars mobile strategic complexes at the parade? More serious than tanks.

So this is you confirming that the RF has no invisible aircrafts and there were none in the parade? Be careful, you may get a few years in jail for speaking badly of the Orc army. The fact that they had to close the sky should tell you something about the difference between the "air supremacy" you have been claiming in your posts versus the "hype supremacy" that is the official press in the RF.

Oh, I love the Yars. I am sure that they work as well as everything else in your country and they will deliver a high level of "hype superiority" if not "hype supremacy". But just remember, there is no way you use one of those and do not get an equivalent response back. My take is that if it is the US, they would not even have to use nukes for a very complete retaliation.

Most Russians on telegram war channels ask for those to hit London, not Kiev
Even ordinary Russians know who's pulling the strings
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I repeat, nothing is happening, nothing planned. Drink well, go parade. Speaking of which.... nice T-34, but my favourite part of the parade was the air show - featuring 300 state of the art and fully invisible planes that I am sure were there. Unless there were not, in which case... it speaks a lot about the loyalty of the air force and how sure is Putin of having something flying over him.
As far as I know, in Moscow and the region, the "closed sky" mode was activated to prevent possible provocations. It seems that more than 20 drones were landed by means of electronic warfare and several drones were shot down by drone strikers. The parade went smoothly, with the exception of complaints from Muscovites about the difficulty of calling a taxi, due to jamming of the GPS satellite navigation signal.

Didn't you like Yars mobile strategic complexes at the parade? More serious than tanks.

So this is you confirming that the RF has no invisible aircrafts and there were none in the parade? Be careful, you may get a few years in jail for speaking badly of the Orc army. The fact that they had to close the sky should tell you something about the difference between the "air supremacy" you have been claiming in your posts versus the "hype supremacy" that is the official press in the RF.

Oh, I love the Yars. I am sure that they work as well as everything else in your country and they will deliver a high level of "hype superiority" if not "hype supremacy". But just remember, there is no way you use one of those and do not get an equivalent response back. My take is that if it is the US, they would not even have to use nukes for a very complete retaliation.
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I repeat, nothing is happening, nothing planned. Drink well, go parade. Speaking of which.... nice T-34, but my favourite part of the parade was the air show - featuring 300 state of the art and fully invisible planes that I am sure were there. Unless there were not, in which case... it speaks a lot about the loyalty of the air force and how sure is Putin of having something flying over him.
As far as I know, in Moscow and the region, the "closed sky" mode was activated to prevent possible provocations. It seems that more than 20 drones were landed by means of electronic warfare and several drones were shot down by drone strikers. The parade went smoothly, with the exception of complaints from Muscovites about the difficulty of calling a taxi, due to jamming of the GPS satellite navigation signal.

Didn't you like Yars mobile strategic complexes at the parade? More serious than tanks.
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Meanwhile, there are rumors, which I can neither confirm nor deny, that as a result of one of the missile strikes, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was eliminated. At least he hasn't appeared in public for about a month. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the delay of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

I think Russians should worry less about the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and worry much more about the Victory Day parade yesterday which was a failure as only one tank of Soviet era was in show in the Moscow red square there.The fact that Wagner group is being nominated as a terrorist group from many EU countries starting from France should put a stop to their misery and cruelty and they even threatened to leave Bakhmut.The tanks overriding Russian troops there and gaining 2.6 km square should point to Russia that the war is mostly lost in all fronts and only terror by hitting the Red Cross building in Odessa is what they can do,in fact they only terrorized civilians during all this war as when it comes to military fight Russian army seem the worse and weaker of all.

The term 'terrorist group' simply isn't used by Russia. If it were, they would have labeled the US and Nato terrorists long ago. The US, via the CIA, is the most powerful terrorist organization around.

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Meanwhile, there are rumors, which I can neither confirm nor deny, that as a result of one of the missile strikes, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was eliminated. At least he hasn't appeared in public for about a month. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the delay of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

I think Russians should worry less about the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and worry much more about the Victory Day parade yesterday which was a failure as only one tank of Soviet era was in show in the Moscow red square there.The fact that Wagner group is being nominated as a terrorist group from many EU countries starting from France should put a stop to their misery and cruelty and they even threatened to leave Bakhmut.The tanks overriding Russian troops there and gaining 2.6 km square should point to Russia that the war is mostly lost in all fronts and only terror by hitting the Red Cross building in Odessa is what they can do,in fact they only terrorized civilians during all this war as when it comes to military fight Russian army seem the worse and weaker of all.
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Meanwhile, there are rumors, which I can neither confirm nor deny, that as a result of one of the missile strikes, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was eliminated. At least he hasn't appeared in public for about a month. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the delay of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

Meanwhile, nothing has happened in Bakhmut. RF troops north and south of the city went for a smoke right the moment a few tanks, which turned up to be Ukrainian tanks where passing by to make the weekly shopping in a nearby supermarket.

After nothing happening at all, the RF troops found themselves with above 60 loses due to COVID, hart strokes and old age (so, not because the tanks ran over them or anything). Also, mysteriously and due to no particular reason, around 1 km2 in the south and 3 km2 lost in the north of Ukrainian territory were returned to Ukraine.

I repeat, nothing is happening, nothing planned. Drink well, go parade. Speaking of which.... nice T-34, but my favourite part of the parade was the air show - featuring 300 state of the art and fully invisible planes that I am sure were there. Unless there were not, in which case... it speaks a lot about the loyalty of the air force and how sure is Putin of having something flying over him.
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Meanwhile, there are rumors, which I can neither confirm nor deny, that as a result of one of the missile strikes, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was eliminated. At least he hasn't appeared in public for about a month. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the delay of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
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I think they call this "Shock and Ah, FUCK!  My ammo!"

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/JUTSR6sBs9jj/

Still waiting on that 'greatest counteroffensive.'  Is it a stealth offensive, or is Ukraine now waiting for the ground to freeze over next winter?



Good thing you are waiting, it seems that others in the front got a bit nervous and decide to get in civilian clothes and escape to Crimea. The good thing is that nothing is going to happen. You are right, there is no counter offensive, drink, sleep, enjoy your victory day and look up in case there is anything falling from the sky.

Not attack is planned (wink wink).
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I think they call this "Shock and Ah, FUCK!  My ammo!"

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/JUTSR6sBs9jj/

Still waiting on that 'greatest counteroffensive.'  Is it a stealth offensive, or is Ukraine now waiting for the ground to freeze over next winter?

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Today 9th May parade happened in Moscow. Not in Kyiv as someone would like to see in his wet dreams. But this year parade was scaled down significantly. I'm wondering, why, what happened? Instead of showing new tanks like Armata, they only had one tank in aparade - T-34 from WW2 times. Some armored vehicles and few RS-24 YARS ICBM's. No air force display. In total, 51 vehicles, probably lowest numbers in many years. It looks that something happened. I can only insert this meme which relfects situation perfectly;

Meanwhile, Ukraine made some counteroffensive operations in Bakhmut and regained 3 km² of city (not official information). And Prigozhin continue to cry.

I would like to see the T-34. It is really a miracle if they managed to put one working WW II tank together and manage to find someone capable of driving it.

If those news are confirmed it is a very relevant fact. Not as much for gaining terrain in Bakhmut, which may or not matter, but because it implies a massive withdrawal of troops to the south. RF chief Orcs are scared this time.
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Today 9th May parade happened in Moscow. Not in Kyiv as someone would like to see in his wet dreams. But this year parade was scaled down significantly. I'm wondering, why, what happened? Instead of showing new tanks like Armata, they only had one tank in aparade - T-34 from WW2 times. Some armored vehicles and few RS-24 YARS ICBM's. No air force display. In total, 51 vehicles, probably lowest numbers in many years. It looks that something happened. I can only insert this meme which relfects situation perfectly;

Meanwhile, Ukraine made some counteroffensive operations in Bakhmut and regained 3 km² of city (not official information). And Prigozhin continue to cry.
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something I would say should do any European country,let them live in that "imperial Russia in their fairy lands".

Unfortunately, this desire is practically unrealizable. No matter how much you want russia to remain a closed system, to stew in its own shit, this is very likely not to happen. The problem is not that no one gives a damn anymore, the problem is that russia is not limited to the destruction of its territory and the lives of its citizens. They can't just stay within their boundaries and mind their own business. They either openly invade foreign lands, or crap in other countries with the help of hacker attacks, interference in politics and bribing officials. And these problems will not be solved if the average Europeans are indifferent. Unfortunately, attention is coming to russia, because it demands this attention with those cruel methods that it has been using for more than several decades.

The system is rotten inside out. How would anyone justify that they have been trying to take a small city from a in theory much inferior adversary during nearly a year? How about a convoy going to Kiev that simply cannot move because the fuel is not there? What about the RF asking Iran for drones and North Korea for munitions?

There isn't anything in the RF that is "true" in any sense of the word, and that starts with their leaders.

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On the war itself, it seems that Ukraine is claiming that a Patriot stopped a Kinzhal. To be honest, the missile is an air launched version of the Ishkander and can reach hypersonic speeds. However the true hypersonic capability requires a very high degree of manoeuvrability, which makes it very difficult to intercept, very difficult to know where it is heading and thus a real threat. Russia is claiming that capability, but it is simply not there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/06/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal/ba39c340-ebeb-11ed-869e-986dd5713bc8_story.html
At first Ukraine denied these news, but after some time they officially confirmed it. They told many times that Kinzhal missiles is impossible for them to intercept with systems that they have and it caused lot of problems for them. So, it's big news.

It is important certainly. These missiles were kind of the answer from China and the RF to the Carrier Groups of the USA, currently 11 in active if I remember correctly. If a Patriot can intercept, let's say with a 60% chance a modern Khinzal, Sea based systems, usually x 10 times better, can do it too. It is a game changer to have a carrier group at 200 miles from your coast and not being able to do much about it (other than nuking it I guess).



patriot is too expensive, they should shoot it down with shotgun or jar of marmelade

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They probably could - if you listen to official propaganda, the RF could send an invisible missile capable of knocking on a door and ask "trick or treat" while dancing The Swam Lake. The problem comes when the tank does not move because Boris sold the fuel, the troops get sent to a kill zone because some Capitan Igor is too afraid to tell that the recognisance unit is formed of zero vehicles (all sold) and the explosive reactive armour fails because Piotr sold it and filled it with pebbles.

Patriot is too expensive, unless it blocks a missile that is going to hit something really expensive.

You know, I think that people claiming the military capabilities actually believe they have them because they have been lied from minute zero by nearly everyone involved in the process of "creating the capability".

Russia is an isolated country now which no one gives a damn about them anymore and I say damn to just not say something worse.They are the only responsible to such failure,they have lost people,they have lost ammunition and tanks,fighters and all sort of military device in this conflict.They have been put under heavy sanctions and the average Joe in Russia is feeling the consequences,no one in US or Europe looks to any average Russian with empathy anymore and some of these countries are also closing borders with Russia,something I would say should do any European country,let them live in that "imperial Russia in their fairy lands".

I am looking toward Russia, or more accurately the economic union of which they will play a leading role, with a lot of interest for the future.  The 'collective West' looks to me like dead-end economically, functionally, and morally.  The West has a long way to go before hitting rock-bottom and there is increasingly little chance that anything will arrest their fall.

I will say that Russia, like so many other countries, seems to have had little or no concept of so-called 'liberty' among the general population.  It does seem to me that most people are very uncomfortable in a situation where there is no 'great leader' or whatever.  Not that a huge number of people in any society are much different, especially these days, but it does seem the case that most societies in most places have never had a point in time when any form of 'freedom' as very widespread and there is precious little aspiration toward achieving such a state.  If anything 'freedom' seems to be a dirty/scary word.  My upbringing in my culture actually did value and aspire to such a state of being and I am genuinely chauvinistic toward people who don't value independence and freedom although I don't discount the advantages of a population being wired for what is effectively slavery.  My guess is that I would not be very happy in Russia (or almost any other place really.)

Economically speaking they would need at least 40 years to catch up with the developed world so I wonder why are some people still saying Russia is winning the war when they have already lost it in a lot of very important fronts.

That doesn't comport with the observation the Russians are winning handily in Ukraine on almost all fronts, and especially in terms of the technical capabilities of their advanced weapons systems.  That is not what would be expected of an economy and a society which doesn't allocate resources in a sensible way.  At least not one which is rich in resources.
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Your observation does not comport with any real observation.
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On the war itself, it seems that Ukraine is claiming that a Patriot stopped a Kinzhal. To be honest, the missile is an air launched version of the Ishkander and can reach hypersonic speeds. However the true hypersonic capability requires a very high degree of manoeuvrability, which makes it very difficult to intercept, very difficult to know where it is heading and thus a real threat. Russia is claiming that capability, but it is simply not there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/06/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal/ba39c340-ebeb-11ed-869e-986dd5713bc8_story.html
At first Ukraine denied these news, but after some time they officially confirmed it. They told many times that Kinzhal missiles is impossible for them to intercept with systems that they have and it caused lot of problems for them. So, it's big news.

It is important certainly. These missiles were kind of the answer from China and the RF to the Carrier Groups of the USA, currently 11 in active if I remember correctly. If a Patriot can intercept, let's say with a 60% chance a modern Khinzal, Sea based systems, usually x 10 times better, can do it too. It is a game changer to have a carrier group at 200 miles from your coast and not being able to do much about it (other than nuking it I guess).



patriot is too expensive, they should shoot it down with shotgun or jar of marmelade

Russia is an isolated country now which no one gives a damn about them anymore and I say damn to just not say something worse.They are the only responsible to such failure,they have lost people,they have lost ammunition and tanks,fighters and all sort of military device in this conflict.They have been put under heavy sanctions and the average Joe in Russia is feeling the consequences,no one in US or Europe looks to any average Russian with empathy anymore and some of these countries are also closing borders with Russia,something I would say should do any European country,let them live in that "imperial Russia in their fairy lands".

Economically speaking they would need at least 40 years to catch up with the developed world so I wonder why are some people still saying Russia is winning the war when they have already lost it in a lot of very important fronts.

Thats a lot of (wrong) assumptions, chief
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something I would say should do any European country,let them live in that "imperial Russia in their fairy lands".

Unfortunately, this desire is practically unrealizable. No matter how much you want russia to remain a closed system, to stew in its own shit, this is very likely not to happen. The problem is not that no one gives a damn anymore, the problem is that russia is not limited to the destruction of its territory and the lives of its citizens. They can't just stay within their boundaries and mind their own business. They either openly invade foreign lands, or crap in other countries with the help of hacker attacks, interference in politics and bribing officials. And these problems will not be solved if the average Europeans are indifferent. Unfortunately, attention is coming to russia, because it demands this attention with those cruel methods that it has been using for more than several decades.
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