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Topic: Russian moderator Xal0lex uses alt profile to insult forum members (Read 886 times)

legendary
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Rêlêå§ê ¥ðµr MïñÐ
In the last sentence it sounds like advice from moderator how to trade accounts covertly.

Xoтeлocь бы eщe ycлышaть мнeниe пo - "интepec к пoкyпкe\пpoдaжe yчeтныx зaпиceй." He фaкт кyпли\пpoдaжи, a пpoявлeнный интepec.

Moй кoммeнтapий пo пoвoдy aнглoязычныx пoльзoвaтeлeй:

Я пoлyчил нeгaтивный тpacт тoлькo из-зa тoгo чтo oтпиcaлcя в тeмe гдe пpoдaвaли aккayнты, инocтpaнeц нe читaя тeмy вcex ктo тaм oтпиcaлcя нaгpaдил нeгaтивным тpacтoм. У мeня нe былo жeлaния кyпить-пpoдaть aккayнт я пpocтo cпpocил cкoлькo этo cтoит и пoлyчил зa этo.

Oни любyю aктивнocть в тaкиx тoпикax paccмaтpивaют кaк жeлaниe пpиoбpecти/пpoдaть aккayнт(ы). Oни paccyждaют тaк: ecли зaинтepecoвaлcя цeнoй, тo в бyдyщeм, вoзмoжнo, пoявитcя интepec к пpиoбpeтeнию/пpoдaжe. Гдe-тo вcтpeчaл, в кaкoй-тo aнглoтeмe пиcaли oб этoм.

IMO, лoгичнo. A ecли интepecнo, cвяжиcь личнo c пpoдaвцoм/пoкyпaтeлeм - нe нyжнo cвeтить cвoю зaинтepecoвaннocть.
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Translation:

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My comment about English-language users. [...]

They're considering any activity in that topics like a wish to buy/sell account(s). They reason along this line: if someone was interested in price, the interest to buy/sell will appear in a future, perhaps. I have seen that somewhere in some English thread had been writing about this.

It is logical, IMO. And if you're interested, contact the seller/buyer personally - no need to demonstrate your interest.
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1655
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Xal0lex, did your removed message look like this?

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Phetis from bitcointalk.org and today is December 10th 2018.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1CryQuFjcUwXQeqfZsRBMPMJchJnhLSi1m
H3ucgBtQu/kpJ1t4aWg0oJ+q39V6flBQO9/UnVDoKG/nYmemEgMIUjxbnfi1G4i5O8wZv4bHxCcLrKf3fg8/IYc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Quoted and verified.


I set an approximate time when it was posted (December 10, 2018, 07:09:15 PM) according to LoyceV's research:

[...] Post 48584270 was created between posts 48584269 and 48584271. That gives a 10 second window (83 to 93 seconds after Phetis' post).
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
^ I thought Xal0lex was DefaultTrust member. I am not really sure when theymos added him. There is better method, archive post before quoting it (with archive.is or any other web archive) and then quote it.

This means, Xal0lex quoted Phetis's post, then deleted post and after this some random account quotes post.
It took more than 4.5 hours for Phetis' post to be quoted again. Usually, posts in that thread are quoted very fast. That would mean the post was deleted about 4 hours later (note that this is a very rough estimate). It was eventually quoted by a Newbie who also speaks Russian and created his account a day before Phetis.
Is this true @Xal0lex?
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1080
You're not wrong.
It took more than 4.5 hours for Phetis' post to be quoted again. Usually, posts in that thread are quoted very fast. That would mean the post was deleted about 4 hours later (note that this is a very rough estimate). It was eventually quoted by a Newbie who also speaks Russian and created his account a day before Phetis.
This begs the question whether we should only expect current DefaultTrust members to quote staked addresses then whenever a DefaultTrust member is excluded from the DefaultTrust list another member of DefaultTrust would then go back and quote whatever they have quoted. The reason for staking your address is to have a backup in case of lost account or you need to prove that your still in control of the account so having someone trustworthy quote the staked address is the best method.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
This means, Xal0lex quoted Phetis's post, then deleted post and after this some random account quotes post. Correct me if I am wrong.
You're not wrong.
It took more than 4.5 hours for Phetis' post to be quoted again. Usually, posts in that thread are quoted very fast. That would mean the post was deleted about 4 hours later (note that this is a very rough estimate). It was eventually quoted by a Newbie who also speaks Russian and created his account a day before Phetis.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
I deleted my post simply because I thought it redundant, unnecessary.
How quoting staked address can be redundant, unnecessary?

That post would still quote someone else. And I considered it unnecessary to post. What's wrong?

Thank you.

This means, Xal0lex quoted Phetis's post, then deleted post and after this some random account quotes post. Correct me if I am wrong.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
Freedom of speech
I remember theymos saying he'd rather have someone create an alt account if he's afraid to share his opinion for whatever reason, than not posting it at all. This was quite a while ago, so I can't easily find back the quote.
Correct. However, if you are caught and you lie about it then it is untrustworthy. I have excluded the moderator from my trust list as theymos is the only one who could confirm this with 100% certainity for now.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
To clear some (possible) confusion on my data
There's a bug with code-tags in my script (instead of removing the quote, it shows what's inside the code-tags). I've tested it by quoting the same post again: when I quote the post without adding anything, I get the exact same data. That makes me believe this post was an exact quote.

Since Xal0lex rejects all evidence, I ask somebody from community staff to post here Xal0lex' deleted comment with the time of publication and dates of all edits.
As far as I know, only Admins can see deleted posts.

I deleted my post simply because I thought it redundant, unnecessary. That's it. Is it forbidden to remove self posts?
Especially in the Stake address thread, deleting posts can be damaging if a user ever needs that quote. You've quoted posts before (here and here), which you didn't delete.

Freedom of speech
I remember theymos saying he'd rather have someone create an alt account if he's afraid to share his opinion for whatever reason, than not posting it at all. This was quite a while ago, so I can't easily find back the quote.
staff
Activity: 2436
Merit: 2347
Supposedly, you have trouble at staying in control and with the help of another account you're releasing stress by insulting people.

Are you a psychologist? I have no problems with self-control. And I'm a stress-tolerant person. Otherwise I would not tolerate all the nasty things and insults in my direction that some users write. For example, I'm a faggot, a whore, that we with xandry sex partners etc. And now you insult me, trying to expose me to the forum users by some psychopath.
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1655
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And you know perfectly well that I can directly tell any user what I think of him.

What you are doing now can be called a non-verbal manipulation since you're trying to attribute to me an opposing opinion.

I explained in the first post why you've registered another profile.

Moderator Xal0lex is using alt accounts when he wants to take off the gentleman's mask and speak rude with the forum members.

Supposedly, you have trouble at staying in control and with the help of another account you're releasing stress by insulting people.
staff
Activity: 2436
Merit: 2347
Since Xal0lex rejects all evidence...

I can't figure out what kind of evidence we're talking about. These are just your assumptions. I repeat again that I have no alts. I don't need them. And I deleted my ill-fated post not because I wanted to hide something, but because I considered it unnecessary. Not for someone but for me. I have nothing to hide. I can directly tell any user what I think of him. I don't need alts to do that.

I don't know what else to say.
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1655
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Since Xal0lex rejects all evidence, I ask somebody from community staff to post here Xal0lex' deleted comment with the time of publication and dates of all edits.

This would clearly demonstrate how much time has passed between the Phetis' post with BTC address and Xal0lex' quote, and when Xal0lex exactly has removed his message.
staff
Activity: 2436
Merit: 2347
I deleted my post simply because I thought it redundant, unnecessary.
How quoting staked address can be redundant, unnecessary?

That post would still quote someone else. And I considered it unnecessary to post. What's wrong?


To all: do you really think I'm so stupid to do such a thing? Why do I need this?
People make mistakes all the time and it makes sense for you to create an alternative account to prevent the "staff is abusing me" card that some people pull.

Why would I insult someone? Even if I wanted to offend someone (which is unlikely), I would not have created alt.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1080
I deleted my post simply because I thought it redundant, unnecessary. That's it. Is it forbidden to remove self posts? I wasn't going to hide anything. I delete a lot of my messages. Do I have to report each of my deleted messages?
That makes zero sense staked messages will always be needed and therefore you want people to quote your message so that if the account that was quoted ever gets compromised and that message is deleted then they can easily recover it because its still publicly known. This helps the community in identifying scammers too.



To all: do you really think I'm so stupid to do such a thing? Why do I need this?
People make mistakes all the time and it makes sense for you to create an alternative account to prevent the "staff is abusing me" card that some people pull.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
I deleted my post simply because I thought it redundant, unnecessary.
How quoting staked address can be redundant, unnecessary?
staff
Activity: 2436
Merit: 2347
Did you really just delete the signed message to hide the connection? If you in fact did, that is very shady.

I deleted my post simply because I thought it redundant, unnecessary. That's it. Is it forbidden to remove self posts? I wasn't going to hide anything. I delete a lot of my messages. Do I have to report each of my deleted messages?

but the funny thing is, why would he sign a message with his alt? it's a newbie account that worth nothing, why bother stake his address then quote it?

Exactly.

To all: do you really think I'm so stupid to do such a thing? Why do I need this?
legendary
Activity: 2394
Merit: 6581
be constructive or S.T.F.U
forget about the last active or any other status, it ca be as irrelevant as it is ! , you can find tons of similarities between theymos and newbies  for that matter.

quoting the signed message is indeed sketchy.

looking at the "Xal0le" last post on "stak your btc address" (August 24, 2018) " before the deleted post"

and when this happens only 2 minutes after the account was created , it get's more sketchy.

but the funny thing is, why would he sign a message with his alt? it's a newbie account that worth nothing, why bother stake his address then quote it?

legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
This user has a biased attitude towards me. We had some disagreements with him. All this is related to the topic of worldcore and the ban of the user Marina Uni for plagiarism, in due time.
This is irrelevant.

The forum has hundreds of thousands of users. The dates of the last activity on the forum can be approximately the same for many users.
 How can infer from the last activity that the accounts are alts?

Is this alts too?


.....................................................................

That's ridiculous.
FTFY.

What is connection between OP and account DownWitDaBlockChain ?

Did Veleor quoted DownWitDaBlockChain's staked address and deleted post, which all happened after newbie account posted something against you?
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
Xal0lex please clarify whether this is true or not.
I have never insulted anyone in this forum. Phetis is not my alt. I don't need alts to express my opinion. Moreover, I never answer insults in my direction. And they are enough. This user has a biased attitude towards me. We had some disagreements with him. All this is related to the topic of worldcore and the ban of the user Marina Uni for plagiarism, in due time.

The forum has hundreds of thousands of users. The dates of the last activity on the forum can be approximately the same for many users.
 How can infer from the last activity that the accounts are alts?

Is this alts too?
Did you really just delete the signed message to hide the connection? If you in fact did, that is very shady.
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