Topic: Russian vs Foreign Companies (Read 363 times)

it makes me wonder.  if they want to make a "domestic product" software to be great in their own country ^{(like the Chinese government have been successful do)} then what they have to do is raise the spirit of nationalism among its citizens so that they really love "domestic products".

mandating a Russian-made app on every smartphone that is there suddenly like this, i think it will only increase the suspicion of its own citizens and feel they are really being watched.  The question is whether Russians are like Chinese citizens "lol" ^{(which is comfortable under the supervision of the government)}

Lol, how does having software installed in smartphones helps with their competitiveness? And if I may ask, what kind of software is that, is it a software that is run by the Russian government, maybe some kind of software that will help them keep an eye on citizens or something like that? Or do they mean that they just want any software that are Russian software installed? I don’t see how that’s going to help them. I think if they are trying to be competitive, there are more important areas where their focus should be, and not this. So, I am believing that their main purpose for doing this is not really just about what you have said, it might be something else.

None of that addresses the facts. Russian corporations are propped up by the Russian government because their products are inferior and not competitive in the global market. Nobody expects a level playing field in Russia. At the end of the day, Russia gonna Russia.

Of course, this is about controlling your population. It is much easier to incorporate various means of control over people into your software. In addition, Russia's isolation from the outside world and from foreign markets is now rapidly growing. Silly international policies based on the use of military force, blackmail and intimidation are leading to ever tougher international sanctions and this can lead to trade restrictions or to complete isolation of Russia from the outside world. Therefore, it is better to prepare for this in advance.

You confuse "warm with soft" as they say
You either do not own the real information, or you are deliberately distorting it. Both are bad. In fact:
1. Sputnik 5 did not go through the specified verification procedure, therefore there is such an attitude towards it. And that's okay. If Pfizer had released the same "unfinished" vaccine, he would not have been allowed on the market in the same way. Before talking about the article on the Lancet, read the answer of a group of specialized specialists, there is a lot of dubious data and a lot of unanswered questions. For one thing, read what a strange situation with Sputnik5 has developed in Slovakia. Look for information on SUKL. The crux of the problem, get ready, "The lots of vaccine used in the preclinical trials and clinical trials described in the Lancet do not match the characteristics and properties of the lots sent to Slovakia." Tell me honestly - with other vaccines there are so many "incomprehensibility", "ambiguity", forgeries and other things?
Yes, for the sake of completeness, the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which supplied two batches of 100,000 doses of Sputnik to Slovakia in early March, declined to comment on the conclusions of the Slovak Medicines Administration (SUKL).


2. Nord Stream 2. You are being disingenuous here too! I can describe in great detail the essence of "Russian gas terrorism" (read about it, and if you do not know where to find it, ask, I will show you everything), but it will take a long time. But you somehow, it seems deliberately, tried to "forget" about this, and present the sanctions against Nord Stream 2 as a purely political showdown between the United States and Russia


And also - do not forget that many politicians in Germany are very much interested, financially, in gas supplies from the Russian Federation. Remind me where Gerhard Schroeder works? I can also tell you about other financial dependence of German politicians on Kremlin money!


But back to the EU in 2021. According to them, by 2035, the gas deficit in the EU will amount to approximately 120 billion cubic meters. But if you read these "miscalculations", you will see the exclusively ordered nature of the article, pure advertising of Russia as in fact the only one who can solve this problem!
At the same time, not a word about TANAP, or liquefied gas from the United States, or gas from Qatar, and of course other suppliers. But in fact - this project for Russia is an attempt to influence the EU, and sanctions are sanctions for Russia's crimes against Ukraine, and I hope they will add for others too, nothing more. Of course, the sanctions should be sensitive, therefore this project also fell under the "distribution". Until 2015, there were no sanctions! But at the same time, the United States is well aware that even a complete stop of this project will not bring problems to the EU.

Most smartphone companies are Chinese and Korean so these are nothing related to the economic war between Russia and US but completely to destroy the human privacy because data is the 21st century's gold which I read somewhere so which government has such assets will be making better decision politically and also can influence the people even can manipulate them.

The purpose of this bill has no economic goals at all. The goal is an exceptionally stricter monitoring of the population, its actions, and the prevention of anti-government movements. Like any totalitarian government, the Kremlin government is afraid of the free population and the dissemination of information that does not correspond to the "policy of the Kremlin." Well, plus "the pernicious influence of the West on the immature minds of Russians" - an eternal song, since the times of the USSR
Refer to the history of the USSR, read about total control and restrictions in the USSR, the "Iron Curtain" and more

It is not about whether the software is good or bad. Russian firms are being denied a level playing field elsewhere. Even in case of the vaccination against CoVID 19, the American regime forced many countries not to order the Sputnik V vaccine. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline is hit by sanctions from the US, although the German government is firmly in favor of its completion. When this is the case, why should the Russian government allow Western corporations to make profit in their jurisdiction?

It's obviously bad for consumers. If Russian software was any good and desired by consumers, they wouldn't need the government to force it onto devices in the country. Russia is an authoritarian country like China, and it's not surprising to see them attempting to prop up their uncompetitive businesses artificially through strongarm tactics like this.

At this point Russians are probably used to not having the same level of freedom as other countries so they will go along with this. I don't know if it's about making Russian companies more competitive or if they just want to have more control over their population. Giving people less choice doesn't lead to better products, it is always worse.

They've tried, twice! Failed miserably.... twice!
Smart-gift: Putin presents Chinese leader with dual-screen YotaPhone
It was a Russian phone running android, with a snapdragon processor, an LG display, and so on, marketed as something revolutionary and a total flop despite all the propaganda. But if you force it down people's throats leaving them no alternative of course your;e going to have customers.
The same for any app, it doesn't matter how much it sucks if there is no other options people will be forced to use it.


I had no experience with Huawei products so I can't be sure about it but it seems the bigger Xiaomi's market share becomes the more crap comes with their newer Miui, especially for Europe so I don't know if it's the CCP ordering them this or simply they are taking advantage of the situation but there used to be at maximum 10-15 of them now the list got to 30-40, the last one I cleaned was worse than my Samsung I bought from my phone company and came with their custom apps in it.



 Vietnam being China's ally? Things have changed dramatically since the Vietnam war, if they are going to chose a side they are going now to chose the US, at least the US is not claiming islands from Vietnam or trying to build artificial ones close to their territorial waters.
Things are changing

It's because of propaganda and that Russia is notorious in doing this kind of covert things. The problem with this one is that it invades privacy and we all know that in this day and age that privacy is a commodity that only a ver few can sought after. That is what I have thought so, I mean this is kind of taking it to the extreme.

No need to underestimate Russian software. At least in the field of anti-virus protection and surveillance, the Russian software is much ahead of their Chinese competitors. But the fact is that Russian government doesn't have the same control over its citizens that the Chinese regime enjoys. But I don't think that this step has anything to do with spying or surveillance. The new proposal is more like a retaliation against Western sanctions.

Apple has always tried to protect their hardware from external competition so they are not going to like this, but I do not really think this is going to help a lot, after all we know that now most phones and computers come with bloatware that you cannot get rid of unless you make some modifications to the host system, but Apple could make it incredibly easy for people to dispose of that software and if given the opportunity people will do it, so this is not going to help Russian companies at all.

can not be denied, it is a kind of spyware....if Russian government really want to grow love for domestic products then you don't have to force it like that.  countries that still have a bit of communist ideology will not be separated from "spying the citizens".  

Chinese and Russian technological developments are completely different, China may be successful in doing this to its citizens but Russia is not necessarily able to do that.

Well.... I don't know whether it is as simple as that (the foreign companies can get away by making a Russian version of the software). But the truth is that cold war is far from over and after a brief lull, it has re-emerged as a fill-blown proxy war between the West (US and it's NATO allies) on the one side and the East (Russia, China and their allies such as DPRK and Vietnam) on the other side. I won't be surprised if the situation results in military confrontation, similar to what happened in Donbass.

Forcing companies to use a certain number of local products can always lead to problems. It might be easier for the government to control it, but its no guarantee for success. Companies usually choose software which works best for them, having the government now forcing the companies changes that. The software developers also might become less competitive.

In fact, the Russian government is taking next steps towards self-isolation from the outside world. Recently, Putin and his government have been leading this country to a quick catastrophe, seeking to resist the whole world by force. If Russia does not provoke a third world war, which will lead to its death, then the fall of the economy, and possibly territorial disintegration, cannot be avoided. Against the background of these global problems, the problem of Russian software on smart technical devices seems to be a trifle. In Russia, it is also high time to switch to using its own cars, clothes, household appliances, and so on. So that later it does not look like a shock.

Why do I assume that this "Russian software" is going to be some sort of spyware.
Every country has the right to protect it's economy from foreign monopolies,but such type of protectionism isn't going to work.Can the Russian government control what software is installed on every smartphone device owned by a Russian citizen?I don't think so.
Smartphones can be rooted and the software that was installed on them can be deleted or modified.

So the software they are talking about is a software that is owned by the Russian government? How will having one software in phones that are being sold in the same country increase their competitiveness against other countries when the devices are only being sold in their country and also used by their citizens?

I guess they just want to be tracking their citizens and be able to have some records and things like that. For me, I wouldn’t really like that, I will prefer that they allow companies to just produce and sell their phones and other devices with the company’s apps only, and as for any other software, it should be based on the interest of the users and nothing more, people shouldn’t be forced to use anything.