I have mixed feelings about this move. On one hand, I have to say that this particular move will hinder free-market and competition, by giving an advantage to the Russian software firms. But on the other hand, Russia is under sanctions from US and some of the other Western nations, and they are perfectly justified if they want to discourage their citizens from using software from companies which are based in these Western nations. Russian companies such as Gazprom are being denied a level playing field, so I can understand the move from the Russian government.
How would it hinder free market and competition though? I get that this discourages the Western companies but that doesn't mean that they will comply, they can just make a Russian version of the device if they need to. It's not that Western countries are trying cripple Russia, the wounds of Cold War is still lingering. 
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Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."
source....The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."
I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....
what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule. do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!
Just for everyone to be aware about versions/models of the same product. This is more prevalent to mobile phones and all you need to know is that there will always be Global and Native versions for that kind of Cellphone and this versions will vary from each country including the pre-installed apps you will have depending on what version you will get. One of the most popular examples out there is the mobile manufacturer like Xiaomi where it has a native version as well as a global version and their apps vary depending on what version you have. I believe this will be the same for Russia's requirement for the help of their own software developers. Chinese brands have done this with their phones like including Alipay, Alibaba, and WeChat in their phones as it is one of the most used services out there. I think this is what Russia is striving for in what they are doing right now.
I have mixed feelings about this move. On one hand, I have to say that this particular move will hinder free-market and competition, by giving an advantage to the Russian software firms. But on the other hand, Russia is under sanctions from US and some of the other Western nations, and they are perfectly justified if they want to discourage their citizens from using software from companies which are based in these Western nations. Russian companies such as Gazprom are being denied a level playing field, so I can understand the move from the Russian government.
governments solve problems by the stupid short way they can force users to install applications and no one force them to use them.
only users dowload by real incentives to use these applications, all the solutions provided are considered useless.
The TikTok app succeeded in achieving leadership in downloads, and no one was forced to download it.
it can be done by motivating Russian developers and thinking instead of a policy of coercion and imposition.
only users dowload by real incentives to use these applications, all the solutions provided are considered useless.
The TikTok app succeeded in achieving leadership in downloads, and no one was forced to download it.
it can be done by motivating Russian developers and thinking instead of a policy of coercion and imposition.
I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....
what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule. do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!
This is not a positive sign as we are aware that the smart phones are the worst when it comes to personal privacy and if a government wants to install preinstalled software and make them mandatory then one thing is certain that the government wants to monitor everything that is happening with you and they will be collecting all the data directly, earlier the government will have our data through private parties and that is how most countries function and it looks like Russia wants to collect them directly. what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule. do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!
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Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."
source....The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."
I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....
what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule. do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!
There are some who cannot ban, and it is "the best technological option". I do not know what Russian software is like, but it does not escape the reality of Venezuela, they think in a similar way, in the small laptops that were given to children and young people by the government for educational training, the software was Linux, and when it They tried to install Windows had a patch that did not allow it, but if you do some tricks you can install Windows having Linux pre-installed, it is similar to what happens in Russia, you will find a way to skip that pre-installation of technology, people will always prefer it better.
What they do is not bad either, at least they believe in their technology and that is good, although competing with Apple is something difficult to beat because they are unique in their style.
The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.
looks like that, they do the tracking and also increase the competition as @stompix said....
as I have said above, and in essence it is done to control movement which is considered a suspicious action.
That's the pattern, and I think Russia had a plan like this from the start. where full access can be controlled. No wonder the war between the allied nations has shown each other their superiority.
It is clear that Russia wants to follow in the footsteps of China, which wants to prioritize their software which is used by the majority there. *that's the country that still adheres to communism
The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.
as I have said above, and in essence it is done to control movement which is considered a suspicious action.
That's the pattern, and I think Russia had a plan like this from the start. where full access can be controlled. No wonder the war between the allied nations has shown each other their superiority.
what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule. do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!
Russia appears to be isolating itself from outside influence, news and ideas the way north korea and china do.
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Russia threatens to ban Twitter over illegal content
Russian authorities on Tuesday said they are prepared to block Twitter in a month's time if the social media giant does not comply with demands to remove upwards of 3,000 posts of banned content, AP reports.
Driving the news: Russia claims Twitter failed to heed previous warnings to remove posts about child suicide and pornography, and information about drugs. Authorities in the country have a fraught relationship with social media platforms, which for years have provided a forum for political dissent.
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-threatens-ban-twitter-over-163153656.html
Russian authorities on Tuesday said they are prepared to block Twitter in a month's time if the social media giant does not comply with demands to remove upwards of 3,000 posts of banned content, AP reports.
Driving the news: Russia claims Twitter failed to heed previous warnings to remove posts about child suicide and pornography, and information about drugs. Authorities in the country have a fraught relationship with social media platforms, which for years have provided a forum for political dissent.
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-threatens-ban-twitter-over-163153656.html
Authoritarian measures like these are in my opinion -- purely political. They're attempts to control information & data residents in a country come into contact with from the outside world. To better shape and control public sentiment. Influence views and narratives people are allowed to have.
Oh, I don't think it's about economy or profit, I don't think it's about that at all. This is about politics. From the economical point of view - sure, it's a reasonable move, why pay to foreign countries, while you can return this money to the government and broaden the software market, create new workspaces.
However, something tells me this is more about Russia becoming more autonomic with a perspective of cutting off the world and becoming more like North Korea. It's been going on for years now. For instance, in 2019 there were talks about a possible ban of FB, Instagram, and YouTube in Russia, but they didn't go that far. You take social media from people - there will be consequences
However, something tells me this is more about Russia becoming more autonomic with a perspective of cutting off the world and becoming more like North Korea. It's been going on for years now. For instance, in 2019 there were talks about a possible ban of FB, Instagram, and YouTube in Russia, but they didn't go that far. You take social media from people - there will be consequences
Makes sense. These devices are spying on you. Google and Apple's #1 goal isn't making the best consumer electronics. It is, creating the best spy agents.You talk to friend on the phone and talk about eating a pizza, The next thing you know google ads will show you the nearest pizza restaurants. If they weren't listening to your calls, how could that be possible?
China already blocked almost all the US bigtech products and if Russia had any sense left in them, they would too.
China already blocked almost all the US bigtech products and if Russia had any sense left in them, they would too.
The Russian government has every right to requires all gadget companies in their country to have their native software preinstalled but they are doing it in the wrong way because if they actually want their software companies to compete with international companies they ought to create a gadget company for themselves which will make use of their native software companies software just like the Chinese do with Huawei.
2) Is the preinstallation of Russian a good step? No, and most of the world may also not like the idea so there is chance people who are from Russia may not use the gadget that has the preinstalled software of Russian.
2) Is the preinstallation of Russian a good step? No, and most of the world may also not like the idea so there is chance people who are from Russia may not use the gadget that has the preinstalled software of Russian.
It is not a competition at all. They are not trying to ban or regulate any foreign companies. Instead, they try to govern the citizen and perhaps protect them on some scales. For example, citizens of China are 100% centralized by the government so every step you work, each thing you eat and your hobbies are all in their governmental data. Thus, criminals are harder to make crime but on the order hand, criticize the government will make you go to jail
I don't think it's about competitiveness as government intervention is always bad for competition. It's about national security, and it's a tradeoff between economic interest vs. security. Look at the great firewall of China as it has many similarities.
Anyway, if you are a citizen of Russia, would you rather be monitored by Putin or Biden? It's a loss-loss situation, lol.
lucky I don't live in the both (them) area....living in a country where always keeping an eye on its citizens sounds terrible to me "lol".Anyway, if you are a citizen of Russia, would you rather be monitored by Putin or Biden? It's a loss-loss situation, lol.
How will increase the competitiveness?
It doesn't and it makes actually things worse, Russian apps will no longer have to compete with others for Russian users, so with limited choice and trapped consumers, their need to innovate will follow the same trends as their entire industry during the Soviet era,
sounds creepy....we will probably see a strange device, hardware, software created by the Russian government specifically for its citizens and not avail in other countries "lol".It doesn't and it makes actually things worse, Russian apps will no longer have to compete with others for Russian users, so with limited choice and trapped consumers, their need to innovate will follow the same trends as their entire industry during the Soviet era,
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Unfortunately for them with every step they make they run out of options, right now they are like some vegans boycotting burger king, with their economy taking hit after hit a dwindling population they should understand that they are no longer in a position to threaten economically the UE alone, not combined with the US. Furthermore, such measures also hit their so-called allies as the guys from Xiaomi or Oppo won't be that happy either, just yesterday I cleaned a miui from bloatware, and my god how much crap was there.The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.
looks like that, they do the tracking and also increase the competition as @stompix said.
They are not doing anything but telling people that yes WE ARE GOING TO TRACK YOU AND YOU CANNOT RUN AWAY. This is nothing but a violation of human rights! Literally not needed. Even if the Government says that the software is to do this and that, to help their economy or maybe for something else what's the guarantee that they are not going to use it for illegal means !? The laws are already not so lenient in Russia and knowing the country I do think that this would most certainly end bad for the local companies since people would prefer buying the stuff from abroad and then at the end of the day, the sales will go down and then the local economy will decline. But then again everyone is tracking everyone, google , apple lol. We have no where to run.
For me pre-installed softwares are always a threat.
For me pre-installed softwares are always a threat.
My question is what would the function of the software ? If it's solely to meet up the competition amongst other countries then that is a pretty good idea but anything outside this would be a way of monitoring the entire data sent and received across Russia. Would this still mean total security of private affairs? Because Russia software engineers are good coders
The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.
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Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."
source....The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."
I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....
what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule. do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!
This is a prelude to what awaits us, don't laugh at Russia because covid in europe is also doing its job. The same thing, just a different method. A cultural occupation - and this is only the beginning
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