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March 17, 2012, 02:11:57 AM
#68
Congratulations, S3052.

You're saying that he was the one that caused the price to go so down? I call BS. Here's my reasons for this:


S3052 claims to predict the movements - the congratulations seem quite adequate.

In that case - yes. But there are unite a few people around here that seem to think that he is "the manipulator" and his analysis moves the market in whatever direction he wants it to, which is BS.

I agree with you.
The bitcoin market is small, but way to big for my analysis to move the market in any significant way. The forecast only works if the analysis is spot on. I have observed  that if my forecast is wrong, the market tells me quickly.
Fortunately my analysis is more right that wrong.


I have to disagree with the premise that S3052 does not influence the Bitcoin market. I will share my personal experience. I am not a subscriber, but I do follow S3052 on this forum,  http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/ and http://chart.ly/. Now over the last 30 days my own Bitcoin trades have amounted to 2% of the volume on the Canadian Bitcoin exchange https://www.cavirtex.com/. Was I influenced by S3052?  Yes. Was that the only factor? No. If one individual who is not even a subscriber can account for 2% of a not insignificant Bitcoin market, it is not at all unreasonable to conclude that the only analyst that consistently publishes Bitcoin market analysis does influence the market.

Now S3052 provides a very valuable service to this community, and I am sure that subscribers receive excellent value for their money provided the information is used correctly. Technical Analysis based upon the Elliot Wave Theory is ultimately about probabilities, as there is always more than one possible interpretation of a chart. A good Technical Analyst only needs to be right more often than not in order to provide a valuable service; however those receiving the advice whether subscribers or not need to understand the foundation behind the analysis and also the impact of the analysis on the market before making a trading decision.

Does S3052 influence the Bitcoin market? Yes
Does S3052 provide a very valuable service to subscribers and non subscribers alike? Yes


Pretty much the last nail in the coffin of this thread
legendary
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March 16, 2012, 07:12:15 PM
#67
Congratulations, S3052.

You're saying that he was the one that caused the price to go so down? I call BS. Here's my reasons for this:


S3052 claims to predict the movements - the congratulations seem quite adequate.

In that case - yes. But there are unite a few people around here that seem to think that he is "the manipulator" and his analysis moves the market in whatever direction he wants it to, which is BS.

I agree with you.
The bitcoin market is small, but way to big for my analysis to move the market in any significant way. The forecast only works if the analysis is spot on. I have observed  that if my forecast is wrong, the market tells me quickly.
Fortunately my analysis is more right that wrong.


I have to disagree with the premise that S3052 does not influence the Bitcoin market. I will share my personal experience. I am not a subscriber, but I do follow S3052 on this forum,  http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/ and http://chart.ly/. Now over the last 30 days my own Bitcoin trades have amounted to 2% of the volume on the Canadian Bitcoin exchange https://www.cavirtex.com/. Was I influenced by S3052?  Yes. Was that the only factor? No. If one individual who is not even a subscriber can account for 2% of a not insignificant Bitcoin market, it is not at all unreasonable to conclude that the only analyst that consistently publishes Bitcoin market analysis does influence the market.

Now S3052 provides a very valuable service to this community, and I am sure that subscribers receive excellent value for their money provided the information is used correctly. Technical Analysis based upon the Elliot Wave Theory is ultimately about probabilities, as there is always more than one possible interpretation of a chart. A good Technical Analyst only needs to be right more often than not in order to provide a valuable service; however those receiving the advice whether subscribers or not need to understand the foundation behind the analysis and also the impact of the analysis on the market before making a trading decision.

Does S3052 influence the Bitcoin market? Yes
Does S3052 provide a very valuable service to subscribers and non subscribers alike? Yes
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March 15, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
#66
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I was just making fun.  I think the phrase you originally intended to use may have been, "dot the 'i's and cross the 't's" ...

But I could be entirely mistaken.
Cheesy understood. It is amazing. How many different dialects .. When translating from English, I've adapted, learned "in mind" to change the meaning of words. but on the contrary - it's hard .. Grin
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March 15, 2012, 10:09:29 AM
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is the time come also to horizontal line draw "t"?
No, this expression means roughly "to clarify, to solve all problems"

I was just making fun.  I think the phrase you originally intended to use may have been, "dot the 'i's and cross the 't's" ...

But I could be entirely mistaken.
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March 15, 2012, 10:07:11 AM
#64
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is the time come also to horizontal line draw "t"?
No, this expression means roughly "to clarify, to solve all problems"
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March 15, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
#63
S3052 You can bark at me for my hard English, but I want to ask an honest question - did you yesterday have made these large purchases? Please answer honestly .. I gathered a few big players, I would not say they are long or short, but yesterday they were specifically not doing ​​purchases or sales. I watched. Usually, after some time on the chart appears the change. (after reports of players). But this time - no message = no movement. Like a week ago. Just a few big purchases. And the silence....
 I just thought that everyone would be interested to know. And if there is trading only 2 sides - you and we, then it was much worse than I thought before... It's time to "put the points on the "i"

is the time come also to horizontal line draw "t"?
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March 15, 2012, 05:12:05 AM
#62
S3052 You can bark at me for my hard English, but I want to ask an honest question - did you yesterday have made these large purchases? Please answer honestly .. I gathered a few big players, I would not say they are long or short, but yesterday they were specifically not doing ​​purchases or sales. I watched. Usually, after some time on the chart appears the change. (after reports of players). But this time - no message = no movement. Like a week ago. Just a few big purchases. And the silence....
 I just thought that everyone would be interested to know. And if there is trading only 2 sides - you and we, then it was much worse than I thought before... It's time to "put the points on the "i"
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March 15, 2012, 03:20:22 AM
#61
... hate triumphs over ignorance ...

lol...

Is this what it comes down to:

hate and ridicule vs ignorance?

Is there no other alternative?  Perhaps enlightenment?


Perhaps.  I see enlightenment not as anything to obtain, but as a beginning on a path toward universal altruism.  It is literally the most challenging and difficult and yet rewarding path in existench.
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March 12, 2012, 05:38:08 AM
#60
(it is related to Kaballah also, but I do not yet have the sufficient knowledge of the occult to accurately explain my thoughts on this at this point).

"Do as thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Love is the Law:  Love under Will".

I expect many would like to Know whether you Will Dare to (pretty please?) Be Silent.

-MarkM- (Grand Poohbah of the AntiBobulated ComBobuMat.)


I have my Official, Divine, All-Inclusive Excuse as well.
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March 12, 2012, 05:12:50 AM
#59
I see. It will obtain stability if it becomes large enough. The Forex is massive compared the the GDP of the most developed countries, and even with all that speculation the fiat currencies are relatively stable.

Speculation adds stability. I can only imagine how volatile Bitcoin would be without it.

+1
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March 12, 2012, 05:04:42 AM
#58
(it is related to Kaballah also, but I do not yet have the sufficient knowledge of the occult to accurately explain my thoughts on this at this point).

"Do as thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Love is the Law:  Love under Will".

I expect many would like to Know whether you Will Dare to (pretty please?) Be Silent.

-MarkM- (Grand Poohbah of the AntiBobulated ComBobuMat.)
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March 11, 2012, 04:23:39 PM
#57
Every single observing (and otherwise participatory) entity manipulates all the time whether it observes the manipulation or not.  This is the basis of the creation of reality, if the observer is the creator, and that is precisely what economic markets model, albeit at a level abstracted above the physical universe (Of course, it is still technically physical, because it consists of information, and information is subject to the laws of physics).  I predict that economics will be the proverbial foot-in-the-door to the next quantum jump in virtualization of existence (it is related to Kaballah also, but I do not yet have the sufficient knowledge of the occult to accurately explain my thoughts on this at this point).

"Do as thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Love is the Law:  Love under Will".
legendary
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March 11, 2012, 01:10:39 PM
#56
I agree with you.
The bitcoin market is small, but way to big for my analysis to move the market in any significant way. The forecast only works if the analysis is spot on. I have observed  that if my forecast is wrong, the market tells me quickly.
Fortunately my analysis is more right that wrong.


It's probably been a reaction to all the haters, but you sure have grown much more cocky in the year+ I've been observing you S3052.  You should consider slowing your roll a little before you make a big slip.

Thanks for the feedback. I have to admit that I got a bit too emotional...


EDIT. And you are also right that it is normal to have some haters. And I have observed that these appear typically around major changing points.
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March 11, 2012, 12:57:08 PM
#55
I agree with you.
The bitcoin market is small, but way to big for my analysis to move the market in any significant way. The forecast only works if the analysis is spot on. I have observed  that if my forecast is wrong, the market tells me quickly.
Fortunately my analysis is more right that wrong.


It's probably been a reaction to all the haters, but you sure have grown much more cocky in the year+ I've been observing you S3052.  You should consider slowing your roll a little before you make a big slip.
legendary
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March 11, 2012, 12:06:45 PM
#54
Congratulations, S3052.

You're saying that he was the one that caused the price to go so down? I call BS. Here's my reasons for this:


S3052 claims to predict the movements - the congratulations seem quite adequate.

In that case - yes. But there are unite a few people around here that seem to think that he is "the manipulator" and his analysis moves the market in whatever direction he wants it to, which is BS.

I agree with you.
The bitcoin market is small, but way to big for my analysis to move the market in any significant way. The forecast only works if the analysis is spot on. I have observed  that if my forecast is wrong, the market tells me quickly.
Fortunately my analysis is more right that wrong.
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March 11, 2012, 11:40:12 AM
#53
I know, I subscribed for both S3052 and waveaddict. And fuck the 1st one. Let him to choke with his newsletter.
legendary
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March 11, 2012, 11:05:35 AM
#52
That is how all technical analysis works.
Not in such volumes.

Market needs other analysts to get this manipulator fuck out of his throne.

Waveaddict is doing a great job in my opinion.  He has told me many times to be disciplined and that sometimes the best move is to stay out of the market.  No crazy RALLY or CRASH short term updates over here.
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March 11, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
#51
That is how all technical analysis works.
Not in such volumes.

Market needs other analysts to get this manipulator fuck out of his throne.
legendary
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March 11, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
#50

This is actually no longer a technicial task of prediction, but competition who will be the first in reading your update.

Fuck this.
That is how all technical analysis works.
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March 11, 2012, 10:51:59 AM
#49
Every analysis we do, be it for subscribers only or for the public contains unbiased analysis based on technical analysis methods, and this can be verified by the charts we display. If anyone disagrees with our analysis, they are all free to post their alternative.
Technicial analysys is the one. Not always adequate. You are patalogic bull. Your recent change of short term to DOWN was two or three weeks after it was obviously went to down. I dont say about your trend markers during Jul-Nov downtrend.

And manipulation is the two. The spikes in a way of your "prediction" are happened after minutes of mail with update received.

So the scheme of insider trading is obvious:

1. Open position
2. Issue short term update
3. Take profit

This does not depend whether you issued correct prediction or not. Looks like most of subscribers are stupid and just follow "predictions" blindly.

This is actually no longer a technicial task of prediction, but competition who will be the first in reading your update.

Fuck this.
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