Topic: Sanctions against Russia spark AK-47 buying frenzy in US - Sanctions be good (Read 1780 times)

Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 03:37:54 PM

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

yes, that's why i said in the "are we going to see WW3 soon?" that it is not likely. no one wants to fight with another developed nation, or one that has nuclear weapons. they'll just do what has been happening - gain resources, make your enemy rely on it, and if they mess with you, sanction their ass. and then fund proxy wars.

one could even make the argument that nuclear weapons has improved world peace for this very reason

yeah, until entire continents get blown up. peace and prosperity for 100 years, and then world annihlation.. is not worth it to me.

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Sanctions against Russia spark AK-47 buying frenzy in US
http://rt.com/usa/175652-kalashnikov-sanction-gun-sales/

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Russian-made firearms are reportedly flying off the shelves of American gun stores after the United States Treasury Department announced sanctions last week against the maker of the popular AK-47 rifle.

And Russian stocks are up after the European sanctions.

Sanctions be good. Grin

There was some study done somewhere that any economic sanctions are not effective and in fact have an opposite effect: the country under sanctions starts to develop other sectors of its economy, the countries that impose the sanctions suffer from loss of business, etc. The same is going to happen here.

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You know, this thread was supposed to be about H.Obama's illegal, arbitrary and unjustified executive order and it has now turned into something else entirely.

Why do you guys do that?

Oh, by the way, in case you haven't noticed, H.Obama is now enforcing the terms of international treaties on individaul American citizens who had no vote in the matter.

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Quote from: beetcoin on July 26, 2014, 08:01:25 PM

Quote from: 5dollarbill on July 26, 2014, 07:58:57 PM

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

yes, that's why i said in the "are we going to see WW3 soon?" that it is not likely. no one wants to fight with another developed nation, or one that has nuclear weapons. they'll just do what has been happening - gain resources, make your enemy rely on it, and if they mess with you, sanction their ass. and then fund proxy wars.

one could even make the argument that nuclear weapons has improved world peace for this very reason

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Quote from: 5dollarbill on July 26, 2014, 07:58:57 PM

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

That was during the cold war...Russia is far smaller and less powerful now to be doing that ( I remember those days as I'm a product of the 80's Grin

.) The US and EU are still gaming
the system to this day.

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i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

yes, that's why i said in the "are we going to see WW3 soon?" that it is not likely. no one wants to fight with another developed nation, or one that has nuclear weapons. they'll just do what has been happening - gain resources, make your enemy rely on it, and if they mess with you, sanction their ass. and then fund proxy wars.

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i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 26, 2014, 01:21:00 PM

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

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Quote from: michaelwang33 on July 26, 2014, 01:05:18 AM

Quote from: bitsmichel on July 26, 2014, 08:15:51 AM

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

That is exactly what they are doing. They are supplying money, training, and weapons to the seperasts. They are not admitting to doing this, but it is well known that they are.

I beg to differ. Even if Russia helps the freedom fighters, which is nothing but speculation, they are helping Russians living on the land that was exclusively a part of Russia prior to 1917 and wasn't technically another country until 1992, to defend themselves from an invasion, with the residents of said land voting at a referendum of 1993 against split of USSR and being split from Russia, and again during a referendum of 2014 voting for independence. That's not "the other side of the world", as done by another country that we all know of. This is a big difference.

Quote from: michaelwang33 on July 26, 2014, 01:05:18 AM

Is AK-47 intellectually protected?

Who is gaining the most? Russian IP or American weapon manufacturer?

It's not intellecually protected as far as I know, the gun originates from communistic times, 1948,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

It all depends if IzhMash factory took a copyright on it. I cannot find any info about it.
Here is the factory's website. The US embargo is basically targeting this factory:
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/trade/

That would be a trademark and/or a patent, rather than a copyright and no, the design was never patented and has been in the public domain almost since the beginning.

"3. The inventor of the AK-47 did not profit from the gun. Communist states had no patents, and until its collapse in 1991, Kalashnikov was simply an employee of the Soviet Union."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mikhail-kalashnikov-dead-10-things-2957513

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Quote from: bitsmichel on July 26, 2014, 08:15:51 AM

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

That is exactly what they are doing. They are supplying money, training, and weapons to the seperasts. They are not admitting to doing this, but it is well known that they are.

I beg to differ. Even if Russia helps the freedom fighters, which is nothing but speculation, they are helping Russians living on the land that was exclusively a part of Russia prior to 1917 and wasn't technically another country until 1992, to defend themselves from an invasion, with the residents of said land voting at a referendum of 1993 against split of USSR and being split from Russia, and again during a referendum of 2014 voting for independence. That's not "the other side of the world", as done by another country that we all know of. This is a big difference.

Is AK-47 intellectually protected?

Who is gaining the most? Russian IP or American weapon manufacturer?

It's not intellecually protected as far as I know, the gun originates from communistic times, 1948,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

It all depends if IzhMash factory took a copyright on it. I cannot find any info about it.
Here is the factory's website. The US embargo is basically targeting this factory:
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/trade/

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Quote from: michaelwang33 on July 26, 2014, 01:05:18 AM

Is AK-47 intellectually protected?

Who is gaining the most? Russian IP or American weapon manufacturer?

It's not intellecually protected as far as I know, the gun originates from communistic times, 1948,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

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i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

That is exactly what they are doing. They are supplying money, training, and weapons to the seperasts. They are not admitting to doing this, but it is well known that they are.

Another copy & paste of unproven statement.

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