Sapphire GPU are poorly built? Or just not rugged

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Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

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I'm not that professional about specific details and all those ideas I said based only on experiences. Technically for other applications like guessing something or deeper, I don't tackle any of those because I'm not into deeper applications. I'm more focused on hardware set-up and servicing that's why I gave my opinions related to Op's subject.

Man, don't be upset with me, but I'm an engineer too. If I tell my colleagues that sapphire is shit, I might get beat up

I can say that MSI Armor and MECH have poor cooling, Palit Dual has poor cooling, Asus OC also has poor cooling.
The shittiest OC I've written is Armor. I won't talk about gigabytes, because here we need to talk about models.

Gaming, mining, rendering, password guessing are different calculation algorithms for a video card, but I still don't understand why sapphire is only suitable for software applications?

Why are these graphics cards of poor quality? What's not to like: Cooling system, power system, thermal pads... etc?

If you share your experience, tell us specifically about the problem?

There's nothing to be upset man, I respected what's your reaction for this matter about specific problems I experienced. Sorry to tell I just base all those statements I said from my customers who let me fix their personal computers, because most of them was used in gaming and internet cafe's before pandemic days. It's a long enumeration if I would specify those previous concerns I got, but anyways big thanks for you.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on August 27, 2021, 03:40:39 PM

Unfortunately I also have a bad experience with the Sapphire RX480 8 GB Nitro models. Out of 24 of those cards, 4 pieces died for me. I maintained them regularly, blew them with a compressor, put the best thermal paste "Thermal grizzly kryonaut", I have a very high quality and reliable power supply. I am very disappointed. So I went back to MSI again. Now I only use the MSI 5700XT Gaming-X series graphics cards . I used to have several MSI 7950 Twin Frozr IIIs and have been mining with them for years. None of them ever died. Fans did go, but graphics cards never did.

How did they die on you exactly? Did something blow up OR did you just get a BSOD on bootup?

If you got the BSOD or they started to crash on cold start... I think I know what happened.

Most likely since you said you replaced the thermal paste, you might of pulled a little too hard when seperating from heatsink and created micro-cracks. At first you don't get issue because they are small. However on every heat cycle, the cracks get larger and larger. Eventually one day when you stop mining to do a reboot, it crashes all of a sudden or fails to boot or you get BSOD. Then you find out the GPU is dead.

I also killed a few of my GPUs this way. Now i never do the thermal paste job unless the GPU is less than a year old.

I didn't change the paste then. One piece died in operation and 3 pieces died after blowing with a compressor (I blew them regularly until then, every 3 months). All pieces died after the 3-year warranty expired and not all died at once. For example, one would die today, the other after a month - 2 months and so on. They do not give any video signal, the fans do not turn. It's not a GPU failure, that's what the master told me. He fixed all the graphics cards and says there were several breakdowns on each.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on August 27, 2021, 03:40:39 PM

Unfortunately I also have a bad experience with the Sapphire RX480 8 GB Nitro models. Out of 24 of those cards, 4 pieces died for me. I maintained them regularly, blew them with a compressor, put the best thermal paste "Thermal grizzly kryonaut", I have a very high quality and reliable power supply. I am very disappointed. So I went back to MSI again. Now I only use the MSI 5700XT Gaming-X series graphics cards . I used to have several MSI 7950 Twin Frozr IIIs and have been mining with them for years. None of them ever died. Fans did go, but graphics cards never did.

How did they die on you exactly? Did something blow up OR did you just get a BSOD on bootup?

If you got the BSOD or they started to crash on cold start... I think I know what happened.

Most likely since you said you replaced the thermal paste, you might of pulled a little too hard when seperating from heatsink and created micro-cracks. At first you don't get issue because they are small. However on every heat cycle, the cracks get larger and larger. Eventually one day when you stop mining to do a reboot, it crashes all of a sudden or fails to boot or you get BSOD. Then you find out the GPU is dead.

I also killed a few of my GPUs this way. Now i never do the thermal paste job unless the GPU is less than a year old.

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I have 6 Sapphire nitro plus - rx 580. Since 2017 up to now running ETH smoothly with any issue all BIOS mod
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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on August 27, 2021, 03:40:39 PM

Unfortunately I also have a bad experience with the Sapphire RX480 8 GB Nitro models. Out of 24 of those cards, 4 pieces died for me. I maintained them regularly, blew them with a compressor, put the best thermal paste "Thermal grizzly kryonaut", I have a very high quality and reliable power supply. I am very disappointed. So I went back to MSI again. Now I only use the MSI 5700XT Gaming-X series graphics cards . I used to have several MSI 7950 Twin Frozr IIIs and have been mining with them for years. None of them ever died. Fans did go, but graphics cards never did.

And what is the reason? These video cards have a 3-year warranty. Did they break in the first 3 years or after?
Various models broke down for me, but I even got a profit from this, because the store returned the money to me.
I have a lot of Sapphire 5600 XT and these GPUs are the best.

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Unfortunately I also have a bad experience with the Sapphire RX480 8 GB Nitro models. Out of 24 of those cards, 4 pieces died for me. I maintained them regularly, blew them with a compressor, put the best thermal paste "Thermal grizzly kryonaut", I have a very high quality and reliable power supply. I am very disappointed. So I went back to MSI again. Now I only use the MSI 5700XT Gaming-X series graphics cards . I used to have several MSI 7950 Twin Frozr IIIs and have been mining with them for years. None of them ever died. Fans did go, but graphics cards never did.

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Quote from: senyorito123 on August 25, 2021, 06:16:58 PM

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Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

On my experience as a pc technician, sapphire was only good for software applications but not really effective with mining because of its poor quality. Better switch to other expensive one that has good performance and most efficient. We can't force everybody to stop using it, but at least we're reminding them for their own benefit.

And where did you get such statistics?
From your experience?
And how is the use of software applications different from mining, if, for example, I will use these video cards in software for guessing passwords?
A professional always speaks in detail about each device model, and does not say that all products are crap.

I'm not that professional about specific details and all those ideas I said based only on experiences. Technically for other applications like guessing something or deeper, I don't tackle any of those because I'm not into deeper applications. I'm more focused on hardware set-up and servicing that's why I gave my opinions related to Op's subject.

Man, don't be upset with me, but I'm an engineer too. If I tell my colleagues that sapphire is shit, I might get beat up

I can say that MSI Armor and MECH have poor cooling, Palit Dual has poor cooling, Asus OC also has poor cooling.
The shittiest OC I've written is Armor. I won't talk about gigabytes, because here we need to talk about models.

Gaming, mining, rendering, password guessing are different calculation algorithms for a video card, but I still don't understand why sapphire is only suitable for software applications?

Why are these graphics cards of poor quality? What's not to like: Cooling system, power system, thermal pads... etc?

If you share your experience, tell us specifically about the problem?

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Quote from: senyorito123 on August 24, 2021, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

On my experience as a pc technician, sapphire was only good for software applications but not really effective with mining because of its poor quality. Better switch to other expensive one that has good performance and most efficient. We can't force everybody to stop using it, but at least we're reminding them for their own benefit.

And where did you get such statistics?
From your experience?
And how is the use of software applications different from mining, if, for example, I will use these video cards in software for guessing passwords?
A professional always speaks in detail about each device model, and does not say that all products are crap.

I'm not that professional about specific details and all those ideas I said based only on experiences. Technically for other applications like guessing something or deeper, I don't tackle any of those because I'm not into deeper applications. I'm more focused on hardware set-up and servicing that's why I gave my opinions related to Op's subject.

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Quote from: senyorito123 on August 24, 2021, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

On my experience as a pc technician, sapphire was only good for software applications but not really effective with mining because of its poor quality. Better switch to other expensive one that has good performance and most efficient. We can't force everybody to stop using it, but at least we're reminding them for their own benefit.

And where did you get such statistics?
From your experience?
And how is the use of software applications different from mining, if, for example, I will use these video cards in software for guessing passwords?
A professional always speaks in detail about each device model, and does not say that all products are crap.

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Every GPU makers have bad versions of GPUs, for example zotac have different versions of gtx1660, I have two types of the GPU same name same brand but different cooling method, one is good and one is bad, it's same with MSI cards, some are poorly build while some are better

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Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

On my experience as a pc technician, sapphire was only good for software applications but not really effective with mining because of its poor quality. Better switch to other expensive one that has good performance and most efficient. We can't force everybody to stop using it, but at least we're reminding them for their own benefit.

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Quote from: adaseb on August 22, 2021, 05:11:42 PM

Yeah the worst GPU fans are probably Gigabyte. I'd had most of my Gigabyte GPUs with failing or almost failing fans. I used to buy them on Aliexpress however those new ones also failed. They had a very bad design because some of their models featured 3 fans per GPU and even those fans started to all fail and they were all under low loads.

I got so bad that I either basically slapped on a few case fans to cool the GPUs or I just took some dental floss, put it on the fan blades, pulled off the fan to see the bearing and lubricated it from time to time. Did it so many times that I managed to do this while the GPU is inside the rig and mounted vertically. Re oiling the fans made them good for another 90-365 days.

I never had problems with Gigabyte fans,usually I had Gigabyte cards only in the Nvidia side mostly as I only have on Rx 5700 xt from the Amd side which is running pretty well.I had a lot of 1070,1070 ti,1060 and 1050 ti in my first mining rigs during 2016-2017 and I still have some of those cards,one Gtx 1050 ti running as my primary card in my workstation,mining perfectly Ethereum Classic with 58 degree Celsius and doing so from quite some time.I had problems only with the ASUS brand which may sound strange to many people here but a lot of Rx 580 with triple fan died to early.

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Yeah the worst GPU fans are probably Gigabyte. I'd had most of my Gigabyte GPUs with failing or almost failing fans. I used to buy them on Aliexpress however those new ones also failed. They had a very bad design because some of their models featured 3 fans per GPU and even those fans started to all fail and they were all under low loads.

I got so bad that I either basically slapped on a few case fans to cool the GPUs or I just took some dental floss, put it on the fan blades, pulled off the fan to see the bearing and lubricated it from time to time. Did it so many times that I managed to do this while the GPU is inside the rig and mounted vertically. Re oiling the fans made them good for another 90-365 days.

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If you having problems with sapphire cards then you got yours from miners who don't take much care of the cards, this is why I don't buy used cards randomly from different sellers, I always make sure I'm getting from people who use the cards for other means and also locally

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Quote from: FP91G on August 20, 2021, 01:52:46 PM

Quote from: Skinny48 on August 20, 2021, 11:03:12 AM

Gigabyte and zotac has the worst cooling materials on them ( cheap thermal pads) while maxsun and yeston have worst cooling mechanism over all but Msi, Asus, sapphire and others are the first on my list, they never failed me, I'm shocked you said they die easily it depends on how the owner took care if the cards, no matter which brand if care is not taken the cards will die fast

I think this is not true. I have 4 year old Gigabyte and zotac graphics cards and they work great. Somewhere I changed some thermal seals, because they deteriorated when removing the cooling system.
Each model has its own problems and here you need to talk specifically. For example, I would not buy MSI MECH or Armor video cards, because this is the worst cooling, and I would buy GAMING with pleasure.

He is probably judging old zotac cards, zotac just learnt about their mistakes year ago there old GPU has worst cooling pads, I had to change the pads on my zotac 1660 super the pad melted on the chips and I found out they using cheap pads

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MSI Gaming has always been the best video card and cost $ 20-30 more. They overclocked well and were more popular with miners than Sapphire. But I have never seen a Sapphire with poor cooling, and this is a huge plus for this graphics card manufacturer. I would not be afraid to buy Sapphire with any cooling.

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Quote from: FP91G on August 20, 2021, 01:52:46 PM

Quote from: Skinny48 on August 20, 2021, 11:03:12 AM

Gigabyte and zotac has the worst cooling materials on them ( cheap thermal pads) while maxsun and yeston have worst cooling mechanism over all but Msi, Asus, sapphire and others are the first on my list, they never failed me, I'm shocked you said they die easily it depends on how the owner took care if the cards, no matter which brand if care is not taken the cards will die fast

I think this is not true. I have 4 year old Gigabyte and zotac graphics cards and they work great. Somewhere I changed some thermal seals, because they deteriorated when removing the cooling system.
Each model has its own problems and here you need to talk specifically. For example, I would not buy MSI MECH or Armor video cards, because this is the worst cooling, and I would buy GAMING with pleasure.

My Msi Mech are no where near the quality of my Msi Gaming.

I have some msi 5600 gaming that are likely the best of all my cards for cooling.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CKDLN91/ref=dp_iou_view_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

these were great amd cards.

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Quote from: Skinny48 on August 20, 2021, 11:03:12 AM

Gigabyte and zotac has the worst cooling materials on them ( cheap thermal pads) while maxsun and yeston have worst cooling mechanism over all but Msi, Asus, sapphire and others are the first on my list, they never failed me, I'm shocked you said they die easily it depends on how the owner took care if the cards, no matter which brand if care is not taken the cards will die fast

I think this is not true. I have 4 year old Gigabyte and zotac graphics cards and they work great. Somewhere I changed some thermal seals, because they deteriorated when removing the cooling system.
Each model has its own problems and here you need to talk specifically. For example, I would not buy MSI MECH or Armor video cards, because this is the worst cooling, and I would buy GAMING with pleasure.

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Quote from: Skinny48 on August 20, 2021, 11:03:12 AM

Gigabyte and zotac has the worst cooling materials on them ( cheap thermal pads) while maxsun and yeston have worst cooling mechanism over all but Msi, Asus, sapphire and others are the first on my list, they never failed me, I'm shocked you said they die easily it depends on how the owner took care if the cards, no matter which brand if care is not taken the cards will die fast

They probably do that to void your warranty with them because they know you will change the crap thermal things and doing so, they will not do do with you, yeah shady business, my take on this is to look for manufactures who puts the best thermal pads, so you dont need to change anything.

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Gigabyte and zotac has the worst cooling materials on them ( cheap thermal pads) while maxsun and yeston have worst cooling mechanism over all but Msi, Asus, sapphire and others are the first on my list, they never failed me, I'm shocked you said they die easily it depends on how the owner took care if the cards, no matter which brand if care is not taken the cards will die fast

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