Sapphire GPU are poorly built? Or just not rugged - page 2.

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Quote from: DrX on August 20, 2021, 03:29:24 AM

I would try to run those under 60C, usually they start to crash on 65C. Also you could try to drop mem to 2000 or 2030...
Using REF 20?

EDIT: Just checked, i'm running those with 1950 mem, 29,7Mh/s and temp 55C (Ubermix bios with REF 20)

This is the normal temperature for these cards in the summer. Other cards worked for me in the summer at a temperature of 75 degrees Celsius, because there was poor ventilation in that room.
Despite the errors, the farm is very stable, so I don't want to do anything. I've tried different settings, but these are the most stable ones. It is better not to optimize old video cards, it can take a lot of time, but there will be no result.

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Here is my experience with Sapphire cards.

The really really old GPUS before 2013, where very solid built. I am talking about the Sapphire Radeon 7950 etc. Then in 2014 they had a bad batch of GPUs. The worst was the Sapphire Dual-X R9 280X. This card had faulty MOSFETs or something. Basically after mining for a few weeks, they all went up in a poof of smoke.

I think the Sapphire Triple Fan R9 280X was more solid built. Anyways the issue I had with the Dual-X was that if you want to RMA you need to ship it overseas. And if you want to RMA you need proof you are the original owner. They require the original bill of sale along with your RMA. Since I bought them second hand, I couldn't RMA any of them and they were all less than a year old.

Since then I never bought any Sapphire cards however I think the RX series and up were more solid built and didn't really hear of any issues with them.

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Quote from: Zotak337 on August 20, 2021, 04:22:16 AM

Is 65°C that bad for AMD GPUs ? I think they are far more safer at that temp, I have a rx580 that runs on 70°C for years and it still working fine I had to give it out to my nephew and he still do casual gaming on the GPU

I think the problem usually is the memory temp, not the core, not sure if you can see it on polaris cards, maybe gpu-z?

And of course, it depends on the card, these are just my opinions on Sapphire RX480 Nitro+ cards with samsung memory.

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I have never heard someone have a problem with Sapphire's GPU, at least in my circle which most are typical end-user gamers or miners. Heck, when there was a clearance of used mining cards, Sapphire AMD is always the one best selling even if the price is a bit higher than other GPU brands.
And Vega 56, rx580s, and 570s are quite ancient so they're bound to failure since it is way past their prime condition. Let's me give some tips, PSU is the most critical part that you should not cheap out if you want to squeeze out whatever is left of those old GPU cards.

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Quote from: DrX on August 20, 2021, 03:29:24 AM

Quote from: FP91G on August 19, 2021, 03:47:12 PM

This is how 5 year old video cards work after mining Ethereum. This is the maximum possible downvolt and overclocking, I can add more megahash, but I need stability.
One of the video cards has been dying for six months already, but I picked up a stable BIOS for it. When overclocked, she starts having problems.
This is a sapphire, I changed the thermal paste once, 3 years after the end of the warranty. All coolers are original.

I would try to run those under 60C, usually they start to crash on 65C. Also you could try to drop mem to 2000 or 2030...
Using REF 20?

EDIT: Just checked, i'm running those with 1950 mem, 29,7Mh/s and temp 55C (Ubermix bios with REF 20)

Is 65°C that bad for AMD GPUs ? I think they are far more safer at that temp, I have a rx580 that runs on 70°C for years and it still working fine I had to give it out to my nephew and he still do casual gaming on the GPU

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Quote from: FP91G on August 19, 2021, 03:47:12 PM

This is how 5 year old video cards work after mining Ethereum. This is the maximum possible downvolt and overclocking, I can add more megahash, but I need stability.
One of the video cards has been dying for six months already, but I picked up a stable BIOS for it. When overclocked, she starts having problems.
This is a sapphire, I changed the thermal paste once, 3 years after the end of the warranty. All coolers are original.

I would try to run those under 60C, usually they start to crash on 65C. Also you could try to drop mem to 2000 or 2030...
Using REF 20?

EDIT: Just checked, i'm running those with 1950 mem, 29,7Mh/s and temp 55C (Ubermix bios with REF 20)

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This is how 5 year old video cards work after mining Ethereum. This is the maximum possible downvolt and overclocking, I can add more megahash, but I need stability.
One of the video cards has been dying for six months already, but I picked up a stable BIOS for it. When overclocked, she starts having problems.
This is a sapphire, I changed the thermal paste once, 3 years after the end of the warranty. All coolers are original.

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Quote from: Ceyflix-Rez on August 19, 2021, 07:03:37 AM

Actually last time I traveled down to China most mining farms I saw are using sapphire model of GPUs the most, maybe your friend bought those GPUs from miners who don't take much care of their GPUs? Or maybe your friend don't care much about the longetivy of the GPUs and start OC too much? I don't see anything wrong with sapphire

All were brand new, maybe like somebody said, specific models, because my friend bought many of a specific model and where I live there is no warranty, so if it breaks then gameover. If warranty was given then no issues, so in many countries shops dont cover any warranty procedure, yes sapphire covers, but you need to send to usa and that costs a lot, more than the gpu itself, plus after it gets back from usa you also needs to pay tax on it hehe, so better leave it broken and be done with it.

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Quote from: deskless on August 19, 2021, 10:21:28 AM

what is life of GPUs ?

I got a bunch of 580s that have been working since 2018 and recently switch them off due to space issue. I am thinking whether to sell them or to wait till I get space again for mining. How long these GPUs can last?

There we have it, this shows that you care for those GPUs and they served you right, many just care about making dollars out of the GPUs and that is it, no dusting off the dusts that affects cooling, no thermal paste reapplying, no changing thermal pads, of cos the cards will fail faster if they aren't taken care of

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what is life of GPUs ?

I got a bunch of 580s that have been working since 2018 and recently switch them off due to space issue. I am thinking whether to sell them or to wait till I get space again for mining. How long these GPUs can last?

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Quote from: Metroid on August 18, 2021, 01:11:35 PM

The only good thing about sapphire is the fan system, anything else is crap, friend bought a lot of sapphire gpus in 2016 and 88% died during those 5 years 2021 now, friend also bought a lot of asus, gigabyte and xfx and none died, only sapphire and most are nitro.

Avoid sapphire gpus, trust me, if the fan in the asus gigabyte or xfx die, you can always replace them with something else, is not hard. Not worth having sapphire gpus because of the fan system because they break 88% more than any other brand.

Actually last time I traveled down to China most mining farms I saw are using sapphire model of GPUs the most, maybe your friend bought those GPUs from miners who don't take much care of their GPUs? Or maybe your friend don't care much about the longetivy of the GPUs and start OC too much? I don't see anything wrong with sapphire

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Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

I have Rx 570 and Rx 580 Sapphire Pulse which is not the top brand as the top is Nitro plus and they are still running fine mining Ethereum Classic right now.Probably it just happened to you as many think Sapphire is the best brand when it comes to AMD cards.

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I havent had any problems with Sapphire RX470-480 Nitro+ cards, ball bearings are the king.

Most of the cards use problematic sleeve bearings and those should be mounted vertically, like in tower case.

https://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/mro/ballVsSleeve.pdf

But both fan types are usually easy to change or fix, or even change from sleeve to ball bearing, I did this on Gigabyte RX470.

https://cryptomining-blog.com/tag/sleeve-to-dual-ball-bearing-fans/

Worst fans i had were in XFX RX570 RS 8GB XXX Edition (Red fans), 6 months and the fans were dead, locked 60% speed.

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Quote from: Bravehash on August 18, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

Avoid used sapphire GPUs, I don't know how this GPUs are made but they die easily after few years , this have happened to me with GPUs like Vega 56, rx580s and 570s, stay away from sapphire cards

These are the only video cards that work for me for 5 years - rx480-470.
Sapphire made very good cooling for video cards.
I have already installed alternative cooling on other video cards.
Most likely you are out of luck or you bought a used video card.
And the new sapphires work great for me

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owned 100+ sapphire 470-480 from 2016 ,just one died ,all others still working without any problem,gigabyte and asus strix have the worst fans,sleeve bearings fans dies very quick, changed fans 2 times already with this brands. Grin

.never problem with referance blower fans.

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Of about 200 Sapphire reference design RX 470's, 60 died over 4 years of the exact same problem - vrm mosfets blowing, usually so badly they burn through the PCB.
I believe this was a model specific issue where they cheaped out with components, because I haven't had any other sapphires ever die on me.

I also had 50 Nitro+ and none of them died over 4 years.

Gigabyte and HIS had the worst fans in my experience that literally begin to fall off in less than 2 years, while Sapphire has the most durable.

Bad risers (caps bursting) did take down a few GPU's over the years, but aside from the sapphire reference models almost no GPU's have died on me ever.
Most of them are either DOA when purchased or they just run forever with the occasional fans falling off (I never push them too hard).

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The only good thing about sapphire is the fan system, anything else is crap, friend bought a lot of sapphire gpus in 2016 and 88% died during those 5 years 2021 now, friend also bought a lot of asus, gigabyte and xfx and none died, only sapphire and most are nitro.

Avoid sapphire gpus, trust me, if the fan in the asus gigabyte or xfx die, you can always replace them with something else, is not hard. Not worth having sapphire gpus because of the fan system because they break 88% more than any other brand.

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For me the Sapphire are best in AMD gpus i own. Fans are perfect, good quality and robust designs.

You have bad luck or you push too much overclock on your cards, OVERCLOCK AND TEMPERATURE KILL GPUS EASY.

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Quote from: BitKongy on August 18, 2021, 03:18:33 AM

Quote from: batsonxl on August 18, 2021, 02:44:56 AM

Actually i like sapphire they are best in AMD gpus. I have many of sapphire being working since 2017 i got used sapphires cleaned changed thermal paste some raplaced fans working 7/24 since 2020 i thought they can die but doing great. Another good thing with sapphire is they always uses fuses so it protects pcb from burn. Unlike other venders you can find many burnt pcbs.

What about Zotac? I have a gtx1660 super brand new that's not working anymore, fans run very slow when booting up but no display and I can't even identify the fuse on the GPU because I don't know what they look like, any link to where I can know what GPU fuses looks like?

I dont have zotac but ive seen bad mini series, they have alot problems.
Fuse looks like this :
https://m.made-in-china.com/product/1206-Fast-Acting-Slow-Blow-Surface-Mount-Fuses-SMD-Fuse-904271565.html

Sapphire uses it is BIG +++ for them
Lately rtx3000 also have fuses many vendors now understood to put fuses

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Both of them is Pc partner group,Amd side Sapphire, nvidia side Zotac, Inno3D, and Manli.Sapphire is one of the best amd partner.(for me Best) Grin

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