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Topic: Satoshi dumped Bitcoin right after Gavin announced he was going to the CIA. - page 3. (Read 37010 times)

legendary
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Most of bitcoiners don't audit changes in the most popular client. Even if someone finds a backdoor and announces here, most of bitcoiners won't pay attention, they'll be listening to "The Bitcoin Foundation". That's why involvement of Gavin into "TBF" is very dangerous.
Why should ne harm the bitcoin project? Why should the bitcoin foundation be somehow corrupted? Sorry but I don't get it.

He is a human.
legendary
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People, please... There is no such thing as an "official" client in an open-source project. There might be a dominant client that is more popular than the others, but surely for software to be official, it would have to be closed-source? Wink

Most of bitcoiners don't audit changes in the most popular client. Even if someone finds a backdoor and announces here, most of bitcoiners won't pay attention, they'll be listening to "The Bitcoin Foundation". That's why involvement of Gavin into "TBF" is very dangerous.
Why should ne harm the bitcoin project? Why should the bitcoin foundation be somehow corrupted? Sorry but I don't get it.
legendary
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I don't know why so many people here do not see the danger.

Frankly, I don't either.  I'd like to think that many of the early adopters are just hopelessly naive.  I can understand that many are blinded by greed.  But, at this point,  this constant seeking of approval and official recognition for Bitcoin can only be described as willful ignorance.  Only a handful remain in any position of authority who seem to have a serious grasp of the legal and philosophical issues surrounding Bitcoin, at least to the extent that Satoshi clearly did.

As for this forum, well, there are a few trolls here;  not as many as there once were, but a few.

But, for others, who knows.  It's been clear to me for almost a year now that the developers have, at the very least, been threatened over their role in Bitcoin.  Now, with "legitimate" businesses waving around the potential of millions of dollars in funding, we see a carrot as well.  I was holding out some hope that such crude tactics would not be effective.  But, I must admit, it is waning.
legendary
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(at above poster: I stole your sig Smiley )

The same.

You're welcome.  Smiley

Let's show at least the new members that not all people here are worshipping the same gods.

Bitcoin is not a institution/corporation/old pal's club!
legendary
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sr. member
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People, please... There is no such thing as an "official" client in an open-source project. There might be a dominant client that is more popular than the others, but surely for software to be official, it would have to be closed-source? Wink

Most of bitcoiners don't audit changes in the most popular client. Even if someone finds a backdoor and announces here, most of bitcoiners won't pay attention, they'll be listening to "The Bitcoin Foundation". That's why involvement of Gavin into "TBF" is very dangerous.

This.

(at above poster: I stole your sig Smiley )
legendary
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People, please... There is no such thing as an "official" client in an open-source project. There might be a dominant client that is more popular than the others, but surely for software to be official, it would have to be closed-source? Wink

Most of bitcoiners don't audit changes in the most popular client. Even if someone finds a backdoor and announces here, most of bitcoiners won't pay attention, they'll be listening to "The Bitcoin Foundation". That's why involvement of Gavin into "TBF" is very dangerous.

+1

This is not about theoretical possibilities - it's about the factual centralization of power to shape the future of Bitcoin.

I don't know why so many people here do not see the danger.
legendary
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People, please... There is no such thing as an "official" client in an open-source project. There might be a dominant client that is more popular than the others, but surely for software to be official, it would have to be closed-source? Wink

Most of bitcoiners don't audit changes in the most popular client. Even if someone finds a backdoor and announces here, most of bitcoiners won't pay attention, they'll be listening to "The Bitcoin Foundation". That's why involvement of Gavin into "TBF" is very dangerous.
hero member
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Someone should ask Gavin why Satoshi became anonymous. If the answer isn't because of fear from power, Atlas is right in that Gavin does not have the same "vision" of what bitcoin is that Satoshi does.

Satoshi didn't "become" anonymous - he was always anonymous. 

Satoshi's vision of Bitcoin is a simple one.  The role of the devs has been to develop the official client in accordance with that vision - nothing more and nothing less.

http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
full member
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Someone should ask Gavin why Satoshi became anonymous. If the answer isn't because of fear from power, Atlas is right in that Gavin does not have the same "vision" of what bitcoin is that Satoshi does.

Satoshi has gooooood reason to be anonymous. He makes a lot of powerful farmers lose a lot of influence over their herd of fat milky sheeple. Sheeple milk is the best kind of milk. Baaahhh.
legendary
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Atlas, I support u.

Don't pay attention to all these men with no balls who prefer to lick asses of "The Bitcoin Foundation" founders.
hero member
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
Oh god here goes atlas shrugging the dung off his shoulder again. Need some sort of a breathalizer test for his keyboard.
jr. member
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Gavin had just received the alert keys to the Bitcoin network. Right afterwards, he tells Satoshi that he is visiting the CIA. Satoshi leaves for good coincidentally.

This is quoted from the defunct Bruce Wagner Bitcoin podcast:

Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi
Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding


Based on this, do you think Gavin fully meets Satoshi's vision for Bitcoin?
why the rant? just do something productive and start your own client / alternacoin...

There is nothing to be done. That's the point. Bitcoin is fine as it is but there are those out there who want change it and accelerate nature. I am against change without clear and comprehensive oversight.

I don't want control. That is the very thing I am against. I just want Bitcoin to be a stable platform without anyone changing it on a whim.

It could very well be that the stable Bitcoin I want is still here but I fear powers will attempt to do otherwise. And that they will do it through their veil and clout of legitimacy.
legendary
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Gavin had just received the alert keys to the Bitcoin network. Right afterwards, he tells Satoshi that he is visiting the CIA. Satoshi leaves for good coincidentally.

This is quoted from the defunct Bruce Wagner Bitcoin podcast:

Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi
Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding


Based on this, do you think Gavin fully meets Satoshi's vision for Bitcoin?
why the rant? just do something productive and start your own client / alternacoin...
jr. member
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This is quoted from the defunct Bruce Wagner Bitcoin podcast:

Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi
Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding



Link to source/timestamp?

I'd love to hear this part, but not enough to listen through Bruce Wagner's podcast.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/onlyonetv.com-bitcoin-show/id464967190

It should be around 17:53. First episode.
full member
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This is quoted from the defunct Bruce Wagner Bitcoin podcast:

Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi
Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding



Link to source/timestamp?

I'd love to hear this part, but not enough to listen through Bruce Wagner's podcast.
legendary
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Let the chips fall where they may.
I like the theory that Satoshi is actually a group of people working for a shadowy organization wanting plausible deniability. It is possible that Gavin went to the CIA to meet Satoshi,  but is not allowed to talk about it.
jr. member
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People are very angered by this reality. I am as well. If ignoring me makes you feel better, I encourage you to hit that button.

The fact is I want Satoshi back. He made this thing and I want him to represent it.
legendary
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Also, it seems Satoshi had something for online wallets. Something Gavin isn't really excited about.

New users wouldn't really even need the Bitcoin software.  They could download a miner, create an account on mtgox or mybitcoin, enter their deposit address into the miner and point it at anyone's pool server.  When the miner says it found something, a while later a few coins show up in their account.

I also think online wallets is the way to go if bitcoin hope to gain any popularity among the non-tech people, though definitely not mybitcoin.com type, more of a blockchain.info type. The desktop client has its purposes,
but it'll probably never be properly secured and made usable by a non-tech person. So in that sense, an
online wallet is actually more secure, since security is taken care of by a trusted pro.
legendary
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Yes, it is there so that if at any time Satoshi decides Gavin should be deposed, he can send an alert to everyone's clients telling them it is time for Gavin to step down.

Lemme just check,,, uh, no, no such message yet, guess Gavin has some use left in him yet...

Smiley

-MarkM-
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