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For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

I know this is an old topic, but recently with btc hitting 50k this whole topic is mainstream - and this post was #1 in google.

To answer the points raised. The motive is simple - to dump the SN coins once the market reaches 100k or 250k per btc. The reason for that could be profit or could be to damage economies by eliminating billions/trillions in wealth.

It is clear from the SN posts and emails that several people are involved. The writing style varies, spelling between US and UK English (cheque and check are both used), and the focal points vary. Also there was a message about freedom and that was the first one I saw which had a typo from SN (a centrally controlled networks) on 2008-11-06 20.15.40. Typos usually reflect emotional responses.

Another pointer is the sheer magnitude of the idea implies an organization.

An individual would have sold the assets long ago.
newbie
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For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Isn't it obvious?  It's a hedge against Keynesian policies.  If fiat and QE fails, we have a back-up plan.
hero member
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* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.


ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

If you work in "accademia" or "paper industry" Wink you can understand the "difficult" related to this work....

Totally disagree.  If anything, this is more evidence to suggest an individual.  Its a few technologies mixed together in the right way.

Did you have even write a scientific paper? Here the "Peer review" is the entire world Wink
If one person could "imagine" that we have some of extra terrestrial around btc....
legendary
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I always thought the government was involved, simple as that

i agree with you this is an organisation ruled by governments under this nickname.. they want to create one country world and.. new world order ..
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* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.


ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

If you work in "accademia" or "paper industry" Wink you can understand the "difficult" related to this work....

Totally disagree.  If anything, this is more evidence to suggest an individual.  Its a few technologies mixed together in the right way.
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i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing.

well, that should read "i too", so not sure you're qualified to make that call Tongue
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* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.


ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

If you work in "accademia" or "paper industry" Wink you can understand the "difficult" related to this work....
legendary
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I think this can not be possible. This has been discussed many times, Satoshi Nakamoto can be a group of people and claiming many people in relation to US/UK agencies is highly impossible in my view.

I too don’t actually believe that. Okay, to get this straight, let me say that they have a group, but their head in charge is a man called Satoshi Nakamoto. I believe this Satoshi Nakamoto is a one man, but has a group he’s working with. Now, how do you think the US/UK would like to create something that is likely to destroy economy if given the chance.
hero member
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i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing. the only reason why we write american style on forums and facebook etc is because of that annoying red spellcheck line that appears under british words, so we tend to right click and accept the closest relevant spelling just to get rid of it.  
its as simple as that. annoying web browser spell checks

How about if you stupid fuckers from the UK learn to spell shit right instead of complaining about defective browsers?  WTF?  Blaming your stupid shit on Yanks?  You are lucky the Yanks even let you near their computers.
sr. member
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I think this can not be possible. This has been discussed many times, Satoshi Nakamoto can be a group of people and claiming many people in relation to US/UK agencies is highly impossible in my view.
full member
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I just cant watch this thread anymore. Guys it makes no sense for satoshi being an agency, because the establishment wins nothing with bitcoin.

But even if it is, who cares, it's open source.

They will by having all transactions public. Just cross reference address with exchange databases, emails, etc, and you have many ppl transactions out in the open.

Actually it could be a motive sure
sr. member
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I just cant watch this thread anymore. Guys it makes no sense for satoshi being an agency, because the establishment wins nothing with bitcoin.

But even if it is, who cares, it's open source.

They will by having all transactions public. Just cross reference address with exchange databases, emails, etc, and you have many ppl transactions out in the open.
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Guys dont you understand it???

The US government always says: we can't do anything to stop new technology. Like for example with nukes they knew they couldnt stop it, eventually someone would invent it.  All they can do is invent it first at least that gives them some control over it.

Sure the US doesn't like bitcoin very much but they understood that someone was going to figure it out sooner or later.  So its better that they are the people to figure it out, then at least they get the control over it.

It is the same with all encryption algorithms that's why the NSA are the inventors of all the major encryption algorithms like SHA2. They dont like it, since they cant see people's emails, but they still invented it first to stop China.

"SHA-2 (Secure Hash Algorithm 2) is a set of cryptographic hash functions designed by the NSA"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2
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I just cant watch this thread anymore. Guys it makes no sense for satoshi being an agency, because the establishment wins nothing with bitcoin.

But even if it is, who cares, it's open source.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
So I was reading through Satoshi posts alongside the bitcoin whitepaper recently

Yeah yeah I know this is an old topic but hell... still an interesting discussion.

No new evidence but I did notice:

* Some UK spelling in the whitepaper (favourable) whilst Satoshi uses USA spelling on bitcointalk posts

i to am from the UK and i feel that satoshi was british due to the style of writing. the only reason why we write american style on forums and facebook etc is because of that annoying red spellcheck line that appears under british words, so we tend to right click and accept the closest relevant spelling just to get rid of it.  
its as simple as that. annoying web browser spell checks

* In some old bitcointalk posts he interchanges I with we in a very suspicious way that an individual would not do
* The technology behind bitcoin and the quality of the whitepaper & Satoshi's posts could defnitely not have been done by one person. Come on, I mean you've got Merkel Trees (a linux technology), Poisson distribution, networking, public/private encryption, TOR, a recipe in the whitepaper that implies the idea has been tried and tested in depth on a private network. The way the paper is written is EXTREMELY professional. I have read quite a few whitepapers and this is more professional than many I have read which have multiple authors (and this is supposedly just 1 individual). This is 100% not an individual writing this but a team of people.

satoshi pseudonym was used by 1 individual.. but that individual didnt invent everything from scratch. many coders are known to use existing resources and include elements from other sources.
satoshi was talking to many people, cypherfunks, sourceforge, IRC, even this forum was developed so that he could collaborate with others.
no denying that,
but it was satoshi, a single entity/person that put all the puzzle pieces of other peoples work together into one seamless and working project. even the white paper credits multiple people on the last page.. so yes, its true he didnt make every technology from scratch, many coders use functions that already exist.. but it was satoshi that pieced it together and utilised other peoples ideas in ways no one else thought of

* The thing just freakin works as soon as it is released with no problems. This is very suspect and unusual. Anyone who ever did programming knows that nothing works like that unless it has been EXTENSIVELY tested for months and months (if not years). That requires a lot of skill and resources, more than any individual has.
they were testing it for months. infact on day one, satoshi (again only one person using the pseudonym) had people like hal finney, |)ruid and others all working together and debugging it as they went on. if you compare the very very first release of bitcoin in january 2009 to lets say the release in december 2009, the code is very different. because there were bugs. and by the time of december 2009 there were dozens of people working with bitcoin, debugging and adding new code/features.
even in 2016 its not perfect, many people say that satoshi could/should have gone in a different direction or included different code libraries.. so satoshi was not god.
he was though the single inventer that made the puzzle complete. utilising other peoples puzzle pieces and then open sourcing his puzzle to debug it

* The paper was released at the beginning of the year (suspicious.... implies it was professionally scheduled)
it was released late part of 2008 actually, but oh well

Lets also remember at this point that most of the protocols behind the internet were invented by the US government. It's a no brainer.

Basically this is a 100% US government project (I think US & UK, given the mix of spellings). It is 100% a team that worked on it and it was an idea that was worked on for years until it was released.
nah, the spelling is due to the racist nature of web browsers thinking that america dominates the world and makes people spell american style purely by having that irritating red line underneath british spellings. where as adobe and microsoft word (offline writing tools) are less racist and let UK folk write how we want without much irritation. so i can easily see why the PDF looks more british than online posts

as for the technology being american government.. well actually TCP/IP, HTML, Java, C++ was an international effort. but highly adopted later by america, and then the whole world had to pander to the american way.

so assuming he must be american purely because he used the internet and c++.. shows you might not be thinking out side of the box..

50 years in the future we will know when the files come out. Until then everything else in the media is a false flag. That's another reason why satoshi is so effective at keeping his silence and will never return. Because the project has now successfully concluded and been shut down. Also it is no coincidence the marshalls coins went to one of the most established and trusted American VCs.
so after that long amount of assumptions.. even your subconcious mind truly thinks satoshi was a single person.. by you saying "his silence" instead of "their silence".
im safe to assume you have yet to truly convince yourself that satoshi wasnt just one entity. whether you realise it or not

all in all i dont think satoshi was a god.
and here is an analogy.
many many many years ago, people realised they could turn wheat into flour
many many many years ago, people realised eggs could be eaten by humans
many many many years ago, people realised cows milk was not just for calves
many many many years ago, people realised putting these things together made dough
many many many years ago, people realised sugar tasted nice and sweet
many many many years ago, people realised food colourings added nice aesthetics to otherwise bland looking food.

but it was only one person that made the very first fully decorated colourful icing cake. by  putting it all together
and then within hours others helped by making it better tweaking the ingredients colours, amount of icing, adding a bit of chocolate to improve flavouring.
(basically debugging it as the cake wasnt perfect)
(not important side note: while writing this i have irritating red lines for colour and flavour, but i didnt edit them to make a point)

iced cakes today are not the exact same recipe as that very first invention.. and is it really important that the first cake chef is discovered and praised as a god? or do we just eat our cake and be happy

I enjoyed reading your Legendary post.
"We've been Franked!"

many many many years ago, people realised they could turn wheat into flour
The people who "basically debugged" the flour forgot to consider/test what a gluten-filled diet would eventually do to humans. Tongue
hero member
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Ok, maybe satoshi wasn't alone but from that to jump to the conclusion that the US/UK government is involved is a hell of a big step, don't you think? Just because there are some ''suspicious'' things doesn't mean God did it, you are like a religious person, ''We don't know how this was done therefore God did it''
newbie
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Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...
Cheesy

You mean they created this currency, so that criminals would use it because of it anonymity and other advantages and when they do, they'll get caught?
I repeat, this "anonymity" is a fiction, here's reality:
...Then we got TOR (US gubermint product), Bitcoin (at least SHA-2 is verifiably gubermint) & the unholy spawn of the two, DNMs. Suddenly tracking became much easier. Instead of IRL-roaming LEO minions, just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!...

... just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!

http://s17.postimg.org/s25l6iqhr/neo1.jpg

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

Well my point about it being anonymous was, "if" as you say, it is a government project then they needed to convince the criminals that it is anonymous and if you think that it is not anonymous and it's all a fiction, then criminals must have figured that out too by now <>

Lol @ Bitcoin criminals being smart enough to "have figured that out too." You simply don't understand the Bitcoin criminal mind. We're dealing with people who keep frickin' diaries of their murder plots on the same laptops that they use to hire teh totally srs and legit anon hitmen Cheesy

http://s22.postimg.org/c9w592e75/ross1.jpg

As I said, Bitcoin criminals are the low-hanging fruit, their Achilles' heel is delusions of grandeur. And being stupid, ofc.
hero member
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Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...
Cheesy

You mean they created this currency, so that criminals would use it because of it anonymity and other advantages and when they do, they'll get caught?
I repeat, this "anonymity" is a fiction, here's reality:
...Then we got TOR (US gubermint product), Bitcoin (at least SHA-2 is verifiably gubermint) & the unholy spawn of the two, DNMs. Suddenly tracking became much easier. Instead of IRL-roaming LEO minions, just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!...

... just a couple of pasty doughnut-munchers -- sit on their butts, log, and process.
Licking their fat chops, waiting for the go-ahead from Teh Man to spring THE TRAP!!!



BWAHAHAHA!!!!

Well my point about it being anonymous was, "if" as you say, it is a government project then they needed to convince the criminals that it is anonymous and if you think that it is not anonymous and it's all a fiction, then criminals must have figured that out too by now, so technically they (the government) failed in their project to catch big criminals with this.

But you seem pretty convinced about this idea so I won't try and change your mind but let's wait and watch if it is what you say it is. Although I really doubt it.
legendary
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If it really was government created, why would those governments be so anal about legislation and trying to regulate it?

Also, giving the handle to random contributors to continue working on the code is also weird.

Any non native English speaker not from us/uk is bound to interchange the grammar, at least I know I do.

Your story just doesn't add up.

legendary
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Bitcoin is the first global currency. the whole idea goes bu the notion of a New World Order. Could it be an original illuminati caballa?
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