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Topic: Satoshi Nakamoto is 100% a US/UK government agency collaboration - page 3. (Read 4089 times)

legendary
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Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...
Cheesy

What you stated can be said for all forms of payment, including online payments
such as gift cards, paypal, and things like skrill & etc.

Why would a government release Bitcoin/bitcoin, creating a Pandora's box of
unknown future possibilities that is uncontrollable and hurtful to that creator nation?

That is like saying a government would release a whitepaper on how to create a nuclear bomb
from materials found within the average household, so that they can monitor who will use it.
Now that it is public knowledge, there is great risk of destruction of what already exists.
By releasing it, they themselves caused their own eventual destruction.

If it is indeed a government operation, there needs to be a better reasoning to release it,
that outweighs the uncontrollable paradigm shift. Just to watch "criminals and nuts" is too simple.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
So Bitcoin is the creation of some of the most powerful people in the world? At least I'll be a wealthy slave. And I'll probably grant my dogsbodies a couple of hours recreation per week even though I don't need to.
newbie
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Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

Think about the sort of people Bitcoin attracts: Anti-government anarchists, tax cheat, drug users, the pathologically foolish, internet criminals... Like Pooh Bear to a Honeypot...
Ehh?  Yeah, now you're getting it...
Cheesy
hero member
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Merit: 502
Let's for one minute say that what you're saying is correct, that Satoshi was not a person but a group of people and it is a government project, what did they expect to achieve with it?

And as far as his writing is concerned, maybe Satoshi hired a few people to do certain jobs and one of those jobs was to write a paper on it professionally and he then hired few proof readers, who could have been from UK/USA and must have edited a few things according to them.
legendary
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Isn't Bitcoin's algorithm SHA-256 instead of SHA-2 ? Maybe is it the same thing, or at least the same "protocol" ?

sha 2, is like the category or brief way of saying it

sha3 is the same. it has some variations (Schnorr being one of them)

but to be specific to bitcoin.. its secp256k1
legendary
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For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.

Tor was developed originally by  United States Naval Research Laboratory, so why Bitcoin could not be similar project. There are already many speculations about NSA and bItcoin, e.g.:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/



Are you kidding me? How can they even "hack Bitcoin transactions"? The only way they could do this is if SHA2 had some sort of backdoor and even then I doubt it would be that easy. Also if SHA2 had a backdoor (I dont understand how something open source can have a backdoor?) it would end up leaking and it would be a disaster for global economy since most of the stuff is encrypted with that algorithm.

Isn't Bitcoin's algorithm SHA-256 instead of SHA-2 ? Maybe is it the same thing, or at least the same "protocol" ?
sr. member
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I really doubt it was created by the government. I really don't see a point why they would try and make something like it and many government people don't support it.
legendary
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Let's say it's some sort of government experiment.... What would be the possible goal for that? The code is OpenSource... So nothing can be hidden,

without other nations developers spotting it. The developers are from different countries and the most hashing power are centered around China. If,

it was some sort of government project... I would say, they failed miserably. Let's just accept the facts and continue with the experiment.
legendary
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...

For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?

Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.

Tor was developed originally by  United States Naval Research Laboratory, so why Bitcoin could not be similar project. There are already many speculations about NSA and bItcoin, e.g.:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/



Are you kidding me? How can they even "hack Bitcoin transactions"? The only way they could do this is if SHA2 had some sort of backdoor and even then I doubt it would be that easy. Also if SHA2 had a backdoor (I dont understand how something open source can have a backdoor?) it would end up leaking and it would be a disaster for global economy since most of the stuff is encrypted with that algorithm.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
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For the sake of conversation,
if you think it was created as a type of US/UK Black Project, PsyOps, IntelOps, or other,
what do you think the true purpose of Bitcoin/bitcoin is?
Some speculate that NSA or whatever spy agency was involved with bitcoin, just to spy on ppl. Bitcoin is not anonymous, its public ledger could make it easy for some organization with resources of NSA to tracks everyone transactions. Its easier than going to each single bank on the word asking for transaction information. With bitcoin, everything is available in the blockchain.
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No one so far supporting the OPs argument has given a valid reason or the true intent of bitcoin, under the OPs assumption.
For the NSA to use this as a tool for watching certain people and their money move is fine. Any agency can do that now.
But the problem is that the surveillance is limited to only the current user base.
So why release it to watch a few people, buying and trading here and there?

In a few years, the Devs could potentially change Bitcoin so that txs are obfuscated and anonymous.
That would entirely destroy this theory of gov creation for surveillance or control.

And because of the foregoing, I'm going to say it is just an "experiment in economics for now and for reason".
full member
Activity: 126
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What part do the aliens have to play in it?  Wink  

That's the sweetest part of the whole bitcoin black-ops project.  Now aliens can get their hands on US dollars without actually having to sneak into the country to get them.  It was the main focus of the project....to decentralize the currency so that the aliens could get it without trespassing.  It all makes perfect sense now!

Must reduce blogsize to aid decentralization -- Saurian miners at disadvantage due to due to poor & Great Galactic Firewall.
legendary
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What part do the aliens have to play in it?  Wink  

That's the sweetest part of the whole bitcoin black-ops project.  Now aliens can get their hands on US dollars without actually having to sneak into the country to get them.  It was the main focus of the project....to decentralize the currency so that the aliens could get it without trespassing.  It all makes perfect sense now!
legendary
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member
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So many conspiracy theories!  Grin


I don't think everything needs to be such a high-level "black ops/secretive/end of the world" stuff. It's just a well though algorithm people!
legendary
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Change is in your hands
Bitcoin is the currency of the new one world order! What sets the fiat apart from bitcoin is the fact that it is limited. So when people say goodbye to fiat they will have bitcoin as an alternative. But i wont mind that, atleast its better than fiat. Less fees, anonymous etc
hero member
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What part do the aliens have to play in it?  Wink 
full member
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^Sorry, try now.
legendary
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... For the use of "we" instead of "I", he mean the whole community. Satoshi is a genuis, nothing is too big for him. ...

He certainly is a genuis, and that's why you're rong. Satoshi often used royal plural, because he knew he was a genuis.

I'm sorry, but the link you put on royal plural give an Error 404 page. However, I'm sure you're right, and this may be the right explanation.
full member
Activity: 126
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... For the use of "we" instead of "I", he mean the whole community. Satoshi is a genuis, nothing is too big for him. ...

He certainly is a genuis, and that's why you're rong. Satoshi often used royal plural, because he knew he was a genuis.
legendary
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I can only agree that bitcoin is probably made by group of people, not individual, because it's to complex and to big project.
But, you didn't provide any concrete evidence or fact that a US/UK government agency is behind bitcoin.
What will be their motivation to start such project?
You have just nice theory but nothing concrete.
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