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Topic: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? - page 2. (Read 4879 times)

legendary
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August 16, 2015, 11:41:58 AM
#72
he/she didn't sign their message through PGP. I doubt this mail is real or of any value.
It can't be proven, whether it is real or not. That does not change the fact that this message carries truth. Bitcoin is changing and from being totally free from centralized steering it becomes influenced by leaders.
What do we do about this?
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 11:29:39 AM
#71
Weather or not it is or it is not Satoshi the person sending does have some valid points on the nature of what BTC was and is meant for. If it was Satoshi and is following what is going on, maybe Satoshi should come back and reinvent Bitcoin and make it how he wanted to see it in the future and make continued updates or even to release a new coin under satoshis control and his only. am sure he can do it as he started out with Bitcoin. If it is Real and not a Hoax then Satoshi stand up for what you have made and show the current developers how it is meant to be done. If it is a Hoax then game on at finding the real satoshi and getting his comments public.

Too dangerous. Just use what already exists, but be extra careful. If it works, good. If it doesn't, oh well.

Well if it does not work then that will indeed cause people to stop using and look elsewhere. Tao much work has been done on BTC for it to fail. It just needs the right things doing to it to make it grow and continue to be used world wide and for it to go mainstream. All that needs to happen with BTC is for it to be re done from the ground upwards or taking a hit an sections that need most work on and then  updating and release made. With the current updates and new block sizes is good in some ways but not in others. No doubt only time will tell on this matter and if current problems get addressed and fixed and can get past the bumpy times like now.

I doubt it is too dangerous for satoshi to return even making a return anonymously, working and submitting stuff from different locations would be a starting point.
If it really was Satoshi thinking more on the subject, would he if he really cares about Bitcoin that much would actually send some code to be checked out and maybe worked on it and Satoshi says here is a review of what is current and how can be improved. If I had the knowledge to wright code and improve Bitcoin I would. I would take some of my own ideas that I have submitted a number of times but never seem to get listened to would improve bitcoin as a whole. Far more needs to be done than just what is current and many other coins adopt these ideas to making much more secure and feature rich. If Bitcoin and the current development team can not see and think outside the box, then it will collapse as many are currently suggesting, that it could well happen in the future.
full member
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August 16, 2015, 11:07:53 AM
#70
Weather or not it is or it is not Satoshi the person sending does have some valid points on the nature of what BTC was and is meant for. If it was Satoshi and is following what is going on, maybe Satoshi should come back and reinvent Bitcoin and make it how he wanted to see it in the future and make continued updates or even to release a new coin under satoshis control and his only. am sure he can do it as he started out with Bitcoin. If it is Real and not a Hoax then Satoshi stand up for what you have made and show the current developers how it is meant to be done. If it is a Hoax then game on at finding the real satoshi and getting his comments public.

Too dangerous. Just use what already exists, but be extra careful. If it works, good. If it doesn't, oh well.
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 11:06:56 AM
#69
he/she didn't sign their message through PGP. I doubt this mail is real or of any value.
hero member
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August 16, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
#68

what if he really satoshi?
what will happen with bitcoin?

Nothing. He's just a user like everyone else ( But a user with a LOT of BTC ha ha ). It's not because that Satoshi say something that we have to follow him ^^

I would following him. For a simple guy like me it is hard figure out what is FUD and what is truth here. I would trust Satoshis word and follow his lead.
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
#67
Weather or not it is or it is not Satoshi the person sending does have some valid points on the nature of what BTC was and is meant for. If it was Satoshi and is following what is going on, maybe Satoshi should come back and reinvent Bitcoin and make it how he wanted to see it in the future and make continued updates or even to release a new coin under satoshis control and his only. am sure he can do it as he started out with Bitcoin. If it is Real and not a Hoax then Satoshi stand up for what you have made and show the current developers how it is meant to be done. If it is a Hoax then game on at finding the real satoshi and getting his comments public.
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
#66
A PGP-Signed message is a way to prove that Satoshi is Satoshi, but however, I didn't see any message that Satoshi signed with a PGP key on it. Maybe those within his "inner circles" could confirm this one?

https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06194.html


what if he really satoshi?
what will happen with bitcoin?

Nothing. He's just a user like everyone else ( But a user with a LOT of BTC ha ha ). It's not because that Satoshi say something that we have to follow him ^^

He's the founder of bitcoin but that doesn't mean that we should follow what he says (authoritarian control lol). Again, it is up for the economy to decide on which is which.
legendary
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Bitcoiner, Crypto-anarchist and Cypherpunk.
August 16, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
#65

what if he really satoshi?
what will happen with bitcoin?

Nothing. He's just a user like everyone else ( But a user with a LOT of BTC ha ha ). It's not because that Satoshi say something that we have to follow him ^^
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 16, 2015, 10:45:48 AM
#64
yeah, that would be good. Smiley  maybe satoshi could choose.

iam okay with BIP 100 / BIP 101 or Bitcoin XT. But bitcoin must scale.
hero member
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August 16, 2015, 10:42:58 AM
#63
I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"

That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way.


so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision  Cheesy

more than most likely  Tongue

Cant make up my mind. Only really care about playing some games and drink some booze. What do you think? I have followed you here in the forum for a while. I think you have some good points.

thanks broh. i just try to follow satoshis vision of bitcoin (and not blockstreams vision).
i would love to see BIP 101 with bitcoin core but 3-4 devs want to harm bitcoin  Undecided .


but i guess this message was not from satoshi. satoshi would add a proof.

you are welcome bro (I ment it seriously).

I am also following the core, don't want to take part of that altcoin-name-jacking.

If satoshied signed the message with they key for the genesis block then would it be a pretty god damn solid stament that would send shock waves through the community.
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 16, 2015, 10:36:26 AM
#62
I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"

That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way.


so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision  Cheesy

more than most likely  Tongue

Cant make up my mind. Only really care about playing some games and drink some booze. What do you think? I have followed you here in the forum for a while. I think you have some good points.

thanks broh. i just try to follow satoshis vision of bitcoin (and not blockstreams vision).
i would love to see BIP 101 with bitcoin core but 3-4 devs want to harm bitcoin  Undecided .


but i guess this message was not from satoshi. satoshi would add a proof.
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 10:25:58 AM
#61

what if he really satoshi?
what will happen with bitcoin?
full member
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August 16, 2015, 10:23:55 AM
#60
Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3
Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.

LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing.

Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.)

We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake.

I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses.
Part of it may be that even those that helped created this like Gavin, Theymos, Wladimir, and others might not be able to vouch for Satoshi without any proof of his identity. It is entirely possible that those people that could vouch for him are not sure that this person is even Satoshi. Would you vouch for someone and say that that person is who they say they are if they can't even prove their identity to you?

I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are?


Eastfist, it's pretty apparent that you don't have any grasp of the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi's anonymity even as he interacted with early adopters. No one has admitted to knowing Satoshi's real-world identity. Therefore no one can validate that someone is Satoshi except by Satoshi signing a message such as from the Genesis block's key or a similar source that is solidly linked to Satoshi. If you have a concrete suggestion on how else he can do it (not just ignorantly and vaguely suggesting other people must know somehow) please do share.

LOL. Here we go again. Like I said, you don't seriously think this is how humans interact with each other do you? The early adopters may "voluntarily deny" knowing Satoshi, but they KNOW who he is. It's unbelievable how you think. I'm sensing this "verify Satoshi the boogeyman's ID" is coming more from Bitcoiners than anyone else. I don't think Satoshi owes any Bitcoiners anything. That's the whole point. That's why I say core devs and early adopters have more burder on their shoulders because they know Satoshi personally or met him personally.

Satoshi used an email account from anonymousspeech.com which lets you pay by cash in the mail to preserve your anonymity. He set up this forum using the same payment system of cash in the mail and only accessed it through Tor. Why would he go to all that trouble to preserve his anonymity and then reveal his identity to some early adopters? I don't believe any early adopters knew his real identity.

Cover-up (COUGH) cover-up.
hero member
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August 16, 2015, 10:20:58 AM
#59
I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"

That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way.


so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision  Cheesy

more than most likely  Tongue

Cant make up my mind. Only really care about playing some games and drink some booze. What do you think? I have followed you here in the forum for a while. I think you have some good points.
sr. member
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August 16, 2015, 10:17:10 AM
#58
Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3
Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.

LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing.

Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.)

We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake.

I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses.
Part of it may be that even those that helped created this like Gavin, Theymos, Wladimir, and others might not be able to vouch for Satoshi without any proof of his identity. It is entirely possible that those people that could vouch for him are not sure that this person is even Satoshi. Would you vouch for someone and say that that person is who they say they are if they can't even prove their identity to you?

I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are?


Eastfist, it's pretty apparent that you don't have any grasp of the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi's anonymity even as he interacted with early adopters. No one has admitted to knowing Satoshi's real-world identity. Therefore no one can validate that someone is Satoshi except by Satoshi signing a message such as from the Genesis block's key or a similar source that is solidly linked to Satoshi. If you have a concrete suggestion on how else he can do it (not just ignorantly and vaguely suggesting other people must know somehow) please do share.

LOL. Here we go again. Like I said, you don't seriously think this is how humans interact with each other do you? The early adopters may "voluntarily deny" knowing Satoshi, but they KNOW who he is. It's unbelievable how you think. I'm sensing this "verify Satoshi the boogeyman's ID" is coming more from Bitcoiners than anyone else. I don't think Satoshi owes any Bitcoiners anything. That's the whole point. That's why I say core devs and early adopters have more burder on their shoulders because they know Satoshi personally or met him personally.

Satoshi used an email account from anonymousspeech.com which lets you pay by cash in the mail to preserve your anonymity. He set up this forum using the same payment system of cash in the mail and only accessed it through Tor. Why would he go to all that trouble to preserve his anonymity and then reveal his identity to some early adopters? I don't believe any early adopters knew his real identity.
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 16, 2015, 10:12:04 AM
#57
I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"

That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way.


so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision  Cheesy

more than most likely  Tongue
hero member
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August 16, 2015, 10:07:35 AM
#56
I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"

That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way.
hero member
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August 16, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
#55
I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"
hero member
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August 16, 2015, 09:53:56 AM
#54
I think it is real. The great satoshi as spoken. It would be really nice if the would sign the message so that whole bitcoin XT talk could rest in peace once in for all.
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 16, 2015, 09:52:31 AM
#53
Oh lol that's funny. Someone is extremely scared of XT winning and they are resorting to cheap tactics, such as impersonating satoshi. Pretty sad to see.

and of course no proof that it is Satoshi - because now it is more fun  Grin

HOAX!
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