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Topic: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? - page 4. (Read 4879 times)

legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 16, 2015, 06:15:59 AM
#32
obviously this is a big FAKE, Mr. sn will never send us a message without sign it, he already know how things are going on in this forum...

so i finally doubt that this  is real, btw what call my attention is the big numbers of ppl that beleive on it...


yes, no doubt he would sign his message.

i read nearly all of his writings and

THIS IS FAKE!


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in the end, you only find the beginning
August 16, 2015, 06:09:55 AM
#31
obviously this is a big FAKE, Mr. sn will never send us a message without sign it, he already know how things are going on in this forum...

so i finally doubt that this  is real, btw what call my attention is the big numbers of ppl that beleive on it...
legendary
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Ιntergalactic Conciliator
August 16, 2015, 06:01:31 AM
#30
it seems that this email was not fake and maybe is real from Satoshi

Technical analysis of the Satoshi Nakamoto email #bitcoin

http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2

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Here's a quick technical analysis of the email sent to the bitcoin-dev mailing list today at http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html
 
The email was sent from an anonymous email provider called vistomail.com which gives the appearance of being out of service. However you can see the logins at https://webmail.vistomail.com/
 
The vistomail servers are authorised to originate email by their IP address via the SPF DNS records . Satoshi used [email protected] when first announcing Bitcoin http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/014994.html
 
From this you can safely conclude the email did originate from vistomail.com servers and was not spoofed. It does not prove the account was not hacked of course.
 
Partial headers from the email:
 
Received: from mail.vistomail.com (vistomail.com [190.97.163.93])
        by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2175813F
        for <[email protected]>;
        Sat, 15 Aug 2015 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from DS04 ([190.97.163.93]) by vistomail.com with MailEnable ESMTP;
        Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:51:14 -0500
 
 
DNS RECORDS FOLLOW:
 
vistomail.com descriptive text "v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com ip4:190.97.163.93 ~all"
vistomail.com has address 190.97.163.93
vistomail.com mail is handled by 10 vistomail.com.
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 02:46:01 AM
#29
i personally will never consider these things as the real deal unless i see a signed message from satoshi's known keys.
the email can easily be fake / hacked / or even an spoofed email.
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 16, 2015, 02:34:10 AM
#28
If it was him, he would has signed his message.


exactly  Smiley


HOAX!
newbie
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August 16, 2015, 02:32:15 AM
#27
His account in p2pfoundation.ning.com has been hacked before, in 2014:

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ye0gncqg772o

"Reply by Satoshi Nakamoto on September 8, 2014 at 23:10
Dear Satoshi. Your dox, passwords and IP addresses are being sold on the darknet. Apparently you didn't configure Tor properly and your IP leaked when you used your email account sometime in 2010. You are not safe. You need to get out of where you are as soon as possible before these people harm you. Thank you for inventing Bitcoin."

The same could have happened to his email account. If he wants us to be sure this is him, he should sign the message.
sr. member
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August 15, 2015, 11:37:53 PM
#26
Why would any experienced member believe this to be real? It's obvious Satoshi never post anything without a signed message after many years.
legendary
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August 15, 2015, 11:34:22 PM
#25
Interesting to say the least, but I think it's fake for sure since the writing differs a bit too much from his earlier real posts.
hero member
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August 15, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
#24
It's false, if you have read Satoshi's authentic posts on this thread then you'll see this:-  
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For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.

He did in fact foresee pools and how there would be an arms race for mining that could spin way beyond what an individual could afford. Also you'll note the lack of a signature, and the most glaring problem with this post:-

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Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project.  Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

Whoa...like, just whoa !!!!!!! This is not Satoshi speak. Let's ignore the fact that he left and is never coming back, and let's ignore ALL the posts where he clearly outlined that block size would have to be adjusted and let's pretend that he thinks he ha the power to declare it a failed project.

The first thing would be, satoshi knows consensus is reached by majority, so no matter what he says which ever fork has the most nodes wins.  That would fall in line with the socialist statement, but directly contradicts the "declare failure" statement.

This is a sad attempt , either by the Elements squad or their supporters to sway public opinion by invoking his name as though he's some sort of god.

While i am concerned about the fork, i do also believe that their home grown solution (sidechains) is not an adaquate answer, neither is increasing the blocksize without a follow up plan. A 8 MB block + sidechains sounds more like a technical solution rather than this political nonsense they are all trying to peddle.
legendary
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August 15, 2015, 11:15:52 PM
#23
satoshi holds the private keys to a lot of bitcoins. Should there be a fork in the future, he can single-handedly devastate whichever side of the fork he doesn't agree with by tainting his coins with coins from a new block from that fork and then dumping them on the market. In a 1-2 punch he can then use the proceeds from that sale to purchase additional coins on the side of the fork he does agree with. In other words, satoshi doesn't have to use his words in this case.
legendary
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August 15, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
#22
I don't think that this "work" is a "work" of Satoshi Nakamoto. If it would be it were be more and more rumor and discussion by to many important people of the world of bitcoin. I don't want to discuss about the content of email because this is the job of the specialist but I don't think that this simple thing will obligated Satoshi to come out from his anonymity.
hero member
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August 15, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
#21
Undoubtedly this email is fake. I think Satoshi must not come back again to involve in BTC in any way.
legendary
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Ιntergalactic Conciliator
August 15, 2015, 07:02:31 PM
#20
I dont know if is him but it has a nice point to what he say. He cant one ore two developer fork bitcoin just like that.. In the other way this is the power of bitcoin. Someone try to fork it and if everyone follow then this that we have is democracy.
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August 15, 2015, 07:01:26 PM
#19
He's an absentee landlord and this situation is of his own making. I find it extremely dubious that he'd choose to chime in and proclaim that he'd have to call it a "failed project" if things didn't go his way. Tell that to the VCs that have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into the ecosystem, so far. Besides that, nobody's going to believe this was really written by Satoshi (whoever he is). Sign the message with one of the addresses that contains part of your million Bitcoin hoard, then I'll buy that it's you...and then, I won't really care what you have to say about it, because you've long since abandoned the project anyway.
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hee-ho.
August 15, 2015, 06:32:56 PM
#18
anyone that claims to be satoshi without signing a PGP message with his key is going to be ruled out as fake. why ask?

TBH he never ever signed anything. Probably on purpose  Grin

yeah, I've read about it. but it doesn't change the fact that people won't be willing to accept anyone that claims to be satoshi without some sort of proof.
rax
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August 15, 2015, 06:28:33 PM
#17
anyone that claims to be satoshi without signing a PGP message with his key is going to be ruled out as fake. why ask?


TBH he never ever signed anything. Probably on purpose  Grin
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rgbkey.github.io/pgp.txt
August 15, 2015, 05:44:59 PM
#16
The real satoshi would have signed a message, no questions asked. This has to be a fake.
legendary
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August 15, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
#15
i don't think this is really satoshi. this smells more like some one is trying to trigger panic sellers to sell. it is a failed attempt. people are wise enough to see that this isn't real.
sr. member
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August 15, 2015, 05:22:48 PM
#14
Wow its really crazy I think it can be really him because of the email he used and I hope it was him a lot of time have passed since we heard last time from satoshi I hope he's back
legendary
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August 15, 2015, 05:22:08 PM
#13
It doesn't even sound like Satoshis earlier posts.. It is just a rant of somebody who is not agreeing with how it is going.. Just ignore it Smiley
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