Saudi Arabian employer accused of chopping off Indian maid’s hand

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2015, 11:35:08 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:53:05 PM

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price. My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter. That is, 'Yeah!'

Even I despise the Saudi royal family. But I am not stupid enough to support a war against them. In the past 10-15 years, they have accumulated hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the United States and other NATO member nations. Although I don't think that they will be able to use these weapons 100% effectively (due to lack of training), an attacking side is likely to face huge loses, in terms of both men and equipment.

Ever heard of income taxes? If you pay them, you don't know what you are supporting. If you work on a job that produces military equipment, you don't know for sure who you are supporting.

Taxes are not itemized for you so that you know what you paid for with yours. Nor do you ever see the return that you personally received for your taxes paid. Maybe you didn't get anything in return. Maybe the nation would be more secure without your tax payment, and U.S. involvement in the ME.

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^^^^ The Saudis are improving on their fighting skills for quite sometime, after realizing that their billion dollar weapons will be useless if they don't know how to use them. This improvement has been noticed by many, during their recent (mis)adventure in Yemen. The Saudi bombing campaign has been quite effective, and has managed to push back the Houthis. But the big question is whether they will be equally successful, against a more skilled enemy (Iran for example)?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2015, 11:35:08 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:53:05 PM

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price. My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter. That is, 'Yeah!'

Even I despise the Saudi royal family. But I am not stupid enough to support a war against them. In the past 10-15 years, they have accumulated hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the United States and other NATO member nations. Although I don't think that they will be able to use these weapons 100% effectively (due to lack of training), an attacking side is likely to face huge loses, in terms of both men and equipment.

If I were running things any hardware we sent to the Saudi's which was more complex than a flashlight would be backdoor'd. For the sake of analysis I typically assume that people who are making these decisions is smarter than me, but it's not exactly clear. The wildcard would be how effectively the Chinese have reverse-engineered the various black-boxes in the F-16's and what-not to get the systems back on-line again. But even that probably would not matter very much. Like China, the U.S., and pretty much every other nuclear power, the primary threat to the leadership are their domestic populations. The Saudi RF would have to find people to fix and fly the airplanes and man the AA systems and such. I would suggest they don't waste time hiring foreign mercenaries for such duties if they have not already.

BTW, I would not underestimate the skills and training of some of the Saudi personnel. IIRC the first pilot that shot down multiple enemy in Gulf-I was a Saudi. Of course it is quite possible if not likely that the story was a completely fabricated event as were many of the other offerings from the mainstream media at the time. I was paying some attention to the details back then as a (fairly unwilling) participant.

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justice between rich and poor in this case does not even exist. and from man to women even less

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:53:05 PM

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price. My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter. That is, 'Yeah!'

Even I despise the Saudi royal family. But I am not stupid enough to support a war against them. In the past 10-15 years, they have accumulated hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the United States and other NATO member nations. Although I don't think that they will be able to use these weapons 100% effectively (due to lack of training), an attacking side is likely to face huge loses, in terms of both men and equipment.

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:53:05 PM

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 22, 2015, 10:06:55 PM

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take. It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples. As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency. If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing. A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

I get it. It is your law to change the laws of other nations if you don't like their laws, and especially if you don't like them obeying their laws. Sounds like you are aggressively looking for war.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like you 'get it' very much. I'll say again, I'm happy to leave people to their own devices and ignore them in the case that they don't pose a threat to me. If not 'happy', than at least I find it an acceptable and appropriate course of action. If people are receiving support that ultimately comes out of my pocket, then I see no problem with asking them to reciprocate in one way or another which is to my liking.

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price. My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter. That is, 'Yeah!'

You might simply stop supporting them.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 22, 2015, 10:42:15 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 22, 2015, 10:06:55 PM

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take. It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples. As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency. If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing. A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

I get it. It is your law to change the laws of other nations if you don't like their laws, and especially if you don't like them obeying their laws. Sounds like you are aggressively looking for war.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like you 'get it' very much. I'll say again, I'm happy to leave people to their own devices and ignore them in the case that they don't pose a threat to me. If not 'happy', than at least I find it an acceptable and appropriate course of action. If people are receiving support that ultimately comes out of my pocket, then I see no problem with asking them to reciprocate in one way or another which is to my liking.

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price. My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter. That is, 'Yeah!'

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 22, 2015, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 22, 2015, 10:06:55 PM

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take. It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples. As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency. If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing. A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

I get it. It is your law to change the laws of other nations if you don't like their laws, and especially if you don't like them obeying their laws. Sounds like you are aggressively looking for war.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 22, 2015, 10:06:55 PM

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take. It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples. As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency. If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing. A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

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Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

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Quote from: techboy2 on October 22, 2015, 01:07:53 PM

Then just nuke them away and take all their resources.

Normally I am a big proponent of acting ethically on the world stage if one is a superpower (and doing so would by-n-large make war a thing of the past.) In the case of the Saudi's, or at least the Saudi Royal Family, I would be sorely tempted to suspend this principle. As far as I am concerned they are among the most loathsome people to have ever walked the face of the earth.

It would hardly take nukes to screw Saudi Arabia. The U.S. dropping support for the Royal Family for about 3 months would probably be all that it would take. Anyway, we'll have no choice but to screw them eventually no matter what we would like to do when we welch on the debts.

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Quote from: techboy2 on October 22, 2015, 01:07:53 PM

Then just nuke them away and take all their resources.

Who will do this just read post of bryant.coleman its not a easy job for any thing they are too much rich and dumb mind peoples

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The Saudi's and the rest of Arabs are cruel, inhuman, despicable, degenerate specimens. You have to see their arrogance, their cruelty when they torture and beat women, servants like Ethiopians, Filipinos, Indians etc. We have to take a tough stand against them.

Their oil is going to finish one day, and so is their House of Saud. The Country which is biggest Sponsor of Islamic terror! The country which sends the largest amount of money to the terrorist networks in India

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Then just nuke them away and take all their resources.

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Quote from: techboy2 on October 22, 2015, 08:38:13 AM

Ban all trade and relations with Saudi Arabia.

LOL... who has the balls to do that? Saudis own the half of the European Union and North America (the other half is owned by the Chinese). Many of the strategic assets in these regions, such as airports and harbors are owned by the Saudis. Without the Saudi investment, many of the European countries will go bankrupt overnight.

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Ban all trade and relations with Saudi Arabia.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 10, 2015, 11:18:38 PM

Quote from: pattu1 on October 10, 2015, 10:28:24 PM

I wouldn't support the Sri Lankan practice either.
If going to Saudi Arabia is akin to slavery, then don't go.
Poverty might be bad, but there is no point in subjecting yourself to a worse fate.

That depends upon the individual perception. If someone thinks that getting raped is better, when compared to starving to death, then I won't blame that person. But then there are also reports that some of the maids are never paid for their work. I have heard of instances where maids being kept as sex-slaves being denied any wages at all for more than 10 years.

Now Saudi Arabia is going to head the United Nations Human Rights Council. Perhaps, things will change.

I understand that kind of thought (preferring to be slave to die) but I still believe people really overrate life in world.
Personally I would prefer to die than being slave. it is not that hard to die. You can basically rebel up against unjustice and got killed. It contains honour at least.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on October 11, 2015, 10:51:43 AM

Everything has its own adversity known to mankind .Now,they way media puts it : Chopping maid's hand for robbery is a crime but robbery itself is a crime .Maybe the maid actually tried to rob something ?

People like you are a curse to humanity. A few months ago, a Saudi price raped four of his maid servants in California. Perhaps that was also the fault of the victims. And a Saudi diplomat was charged for the rape of two Nepali servants in New Delhi, India. This time also, I hope you are going to blame the victims. Consider the possibility of a maid committing robbery, fully knowing that she can't step out of that house for the next 10-15 years.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 10, 2015, 11:18:38 PM

Quote from: pattu1 on October 10, 2015, 10:28:24 PM

I wouldn't support the Sri Lankan practice either.
If going to Saudi Arabia is akin to slavery, then don't go.
Poverty might be bad, but there is no point in subjecting yourself to a worse fate.

That depends upon the individual perception. If someone thinks that getting raped is better, when compared to starving to death, then I won't blame that person. But then there are also reports that some of the maids are never paid for their work. I have heard of instances where maids being kept as sex-slaves being denied any wages at all for more than 10 years.

Now Saudi Arabia is going to head the United Nations Human Rights Council. Perhaps, things will change.

LOL!

In 15 short years, the highly effective United Nations is going to achieve some remarkable results. It says so right in their Agenda 2030 action plan. Just some little stuff like: 'End poverty in all its forms everywhere' Utopia in our lifetime! Won't that be great?

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The efficient police of Saudi Arabia have solved this case! The maid was mentally ill.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Arm-chopped-maid-mentally-ill-Saudi-cops/articleshow/49426201.cms

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