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Quote from: Lorence.xD on April 27, 2023, 12:06:28 AM

Best way is to write it down in a note or save in your phone notes. There's a lot of way for you to assure your back up seed phrase than a song just my thought.

Saving your private key or secret phrases in any software in your mobile devices or desktop is not advisable as hackers can easily gain access to it. It's preferable to save it offline an if possible purchase a titaniium steel and write the key on it or you could just go for the more simpler option which is to write it on piece of paper and then keep them in multiple places.

And since you mentioned phone it will br extremely difficult for you to retireve your key back if anything should happen to you device, for example if your device should get damaged beyond repair how then would you go about the retrieval?
like the popular saying goes "Prevention is better than cure"

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

I had written down and saved my seed phrase before now. But after I asked questions about SegWit wallet and knew its importance. I decided to practice it. Little Mouse and o_e_l_e_o guided me. Although I didn't do it excellently but I'll get it well when I'm with both of my devices.
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Example of Seed phrase song. With the seed phrase words repeated twice x2 in the song to emphasis them.

An empty brain will damage your thinking faculty in a second. Fault no man, be vibrant and find good food. Your joy will flow like the ocean and your name will sound like nature when you eat noodles .[/center]

Happy read and how is the idea, weird I think??

What are you! Is it possible to trust your deposit to some song?
If you seriously trust yourself and are determined to earn seriously, then you can't treat it like this. The phrase needs to be written out on paper and stored in a safe place, it can be divided into two parts. I am sure that everyone will easily find a secluded place where you can hide a secret phrase.

In any case, do not use this method if you do not want to stay looking at your non-open wallet with bitcoins.

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This is a nice but risky idea, because you can be sue for exploitation of the kids if you are not they biological perant and also this idea sound irritating ops I mean no offence but that is how I see the whole idea.

You have better way to store your seed phrase and as a matter of fact I don't see anything special with seed phrase safety if you can carefully take precautions measures.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 25, 2023, 05:11:26 PM

Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

The kids surely don't know about seed phrases
And the people around wouldn't have a clue of what is happening.
This could be a good way to save my seed phrase since it is not advisable to memorise it. Besides, all the kids memories cannot fail simultaneously.

They don't know about it now, but they might figure it out in the future. They might look up Bitcoin, how it's stored, learn about seeds and then put two and two together and realize that you made them memorize one.

Similarly, other people might notice the weird structure of the song and realize it's a seed.

Maybe the memories can't fail simultaneously, but they can all fail with time. If they won't frequently repeat it, they will forget it, the change of it happening in the long run is quite high.

It's impossible for anyone to recognize if people in your environment or your children know that you have a connection with crypto, I think that's key, because if they know that we have a relationship with bitcoin or crypto it will be easy to detect that kind of thing in their minds. In terms of song structure, I also often sing random songs made from my own imagination, maybe even say once a day for one month, I am even considered crazy with unclear word combinations.
Well it's just that, the memory that is feared will mess everything up and make us lose the seeds to get back into our wallets, storage like that is not very effective in the long run.

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What if the parents of this kids relocate with their children to a location that isn't accessible to you, What if you get too busy to keep this kids engaged with this song that is attached to your seed phrase and the forget how to recite the song or start misplacing the original arrangement of the seed phrase. The brain can never be trusted 100% instead engraved method is far preferred where stainless steels example Hodlinox plates can help store our seed phrase for as long as we have the steel.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on April 27, 2023, 12:06:28 AM

Best way is to write it down in a note or save in your phone notes. There's a lot of way for you to assure your back up seed phrase than a song just my thought.

Keeping notes on the phone is not recommended because the phone can be hacked if the user doesn't know how to avoid hacking from viruses or malware that are installed automatically when you use the browser, it is recommended to save password-protected files on the hard drive and save manual notes hidden in an area where no one suspects. but it all depends on each individual's choice to keep the phrases safe from anyone, even some randomized the order of the phrases but all the sequences have been memorized correctly.

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There's this one and common mistake we often make whenever it comes to adopting means to secure our seed phrase, we sometimes play too smart and ended up been weak unknowingly, I've seen someone also that write a song and use some of the wordens from the seed phrase he has to his wallet, some make it a tattoo to their body and many examples like that which is very risky to me because they have been opened to a third party while expressing their seed phrase to others which should have been maintained within themselves.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 26, 2023, 07:20:39 PM

practically its also not going to be easy task to teach a poem which contains recovery seeds of your wallets but let's give it a try with an empty wallet and see it really works.

You shouldn't even be heard reading out your seed phrase, not to talk of reciting it to a bunch of kids that aren't even yours to begin with, neither are you in control of their daily activities or movement, there is absolutely nothing to try here, and only if one cares less about their Bitcoins would they do something like this.

Having said that, i have seen quite a lot of weird suggestions lately from people on how to store seed phrases, and i can't help but ask myself why, why would you want to experiment with your funds, if it were paper money, you'd just go down the conventional road and deposit it in your bank and that's that, thus why can't people just do the simple, but yet most secure thing when storing their Bitcoins: write it down on paper! Experimenting with your Bitcoin won't be funny nor exciting when you lose it.

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As time goes on, there is 100% tendency that they will forget most of the songs, situation might warrant moving out of that environment, in that case will start looking for them to recover the phrase?. Note this, that if they move from their current locality to other places, there is 100% tendency to forget the song after some years as they will focus on some other things, even if they remember, it may not be correct as it was. If you try to visit them in their respective places, after gathering information from their songs, you will engage in another combat of which Is the correct one as they will all have different songs by then.

As mentioned by others that those children can mix the words up, that is rightly correct. I will put further that those children can even change some of those words as they may sound thesame with different spelling.

The best thing to do is to write it down in a safe places. Yes, safe places helps you have assurance on the phrase as they are in different places and all cannot be loosed at thesame time.
This is just my humble suggestions

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I doubt your idea of storing seed phrases in the lyrics of a song whether it will be safe and effective enough or not. because the problem is because you created the song to be memorized by other people (children). I think this idea will be more effective and safer if you only memorize the song yourself. But making the phrase seed into a great song for me is only effective as a way to make it easier for us to remember the phrase seed.

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I don't know but there's a lot of method for you to save your phrases than a song. I confess that I always forgot my account password especially if I'm not that active in social media even the last time I opened the account is like 2-3 days ago. Meaning our mind once it got distracted we couldn't even remember things so if we rely on a song based on your memories then it risky. Only if you're habit is to sing it everyday that you'll get used to it but probably you'll get fed up.

Best way is to write it down in a note or save in your phone notes. There's a lot of way for you to assure your back up seed phrase than a song just my thought.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 26, 2023, 07:20:39 PM

But isn't that we are making it more vulnerable than what actually it is or we may be doing something which can complicate things than it should be, practically its also not going to be easy task to teach a poem which contains recovery seeds of your wallets but let's give it a try with an empty wallet and see it really works.

No need to try, you can use your logic to know if it's really work.

The answer of save seed phrase in song is work, but you're still carry a risk to lost your coins forever because anyone have their own business, it can be work, learn something etc, your life aren't only for sing a song and remember these 12 words.

Not to mention when you a human get older, your brain performance will decreased and there's a chance of suffer brain injury that could might you not remember anything or only remember some part.

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@OP I think you stole this idea from a movie I remember which is starred by Vin Diesel. Grin

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 26, 2023, 04:09:44 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

If you observe very well, the added words does not re-arrange the seed phrase and neither do they interfere.

The point he is making is that the red words also all appear on the BIP39 word list. And actually Cantsay has missed out "like" and "sound". So in that line of text, you have 23 words which could be part of your seed phrase. There are 1,352,078 ways to pick 12 words out of 23 if you assume you have the correct order. If your order is incorrect, then that becomes up to ~648 trillion possibilities, which is clearly an impossible task.

But isn't that we are making it more vulnerable than what actually it is or we may be doing something which can complicate things than it should be, practically its also not going to be easy task to teach a poem which contains recovery seeds of your wallets but let's give it a try with an empty wallet and see it really works.

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Seed phrase are not to be memorized rather copy it down somewhere that can be accessible to you alone, the last time I tried doing that I lost access to my wallet but I was lucky enough to have saved it somewheres.
My advise to you if you wanna try that always use a wallet that has no funds inside maybe for a trial to know if you could be very good at it.

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Quote from: drwhobox on April 26, 2023, 06:38:56 PM

Learn to take responsibility of things that matter to you. The idea of making a song or poem with your key-phrases is awful honestly. You have three wallets as you mention OP, so are you planning to make three songs for them, what if you mix up the key-phrases? What if the kids mix up the words?

But my main point is, you can make songs about your key-phrases and teach them to kids, while you can write them down, find a safe place to store them. For me making a song and teaching it to kids is more hassle than saving the key-phrases in a safe place.

I agree since it's just too much of a work to do plus making a song about seed with added words will eventually mixed them up and might be forgotten or the kids would completely mix up the words. It's a total disaster for OP to plan like that but at least some of us have some ideas we share in order for OP to get some it while trying to balance which is the best idea for storing seed phrase.

On the other note, what if someone ask the kids what are they singing because it sounded unfamiliar to them then the kids would tell them that it was some random or let's just say their uncle or something teach them this song and then someone trying to solve it thinking that person was into cryptocurrency?

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Learn to take responsibility of things that matter to you. The idea of making a song or poem with your key-phrases is awful honestly. You have three wallets as you mention OP, so are you planning to make three songs for them, what if you mix up the key-phrases? What if the kids mix up the words?

But my main point is, you can make songs about your key-phrases and teach them to kids, while you can write them down, find a safe place to store them. For me making a song and teaching it to kids is more hassle than saving the key-phrases in a safe place.

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Quote from: Outhue on April 26, 2023, 05:25:05 AM

Brilliant, because it looks like you will become a great novelist some day, and stupid, because you using crypto seed phrase, how is that a song anyway? This days that are so desperate with everything they do, I have seen people guessing seed phrases and putting them together hoping they get into someone's crypto wallet. Thanks for giving them this clue, now they can go buy novel books and start inserting words themselves.

I do not think it is stupid to put seeds in a song but teaching the kids of that song is. Using seeds phrase in a song is brilliant making it not obvious to be a seed phrase unless @OP declare that it contains his seed phrases. He can always take care of the piece that contains the seed phrase just like the seed phrase itself. Creating a copy, laminating or printing it then store it where the element of nature can't destroy it. This way when someone got the copy of that song have no idea that seed phrase are integrated to it.

Quote from: Outhue on April 26, 2023, 05:25:05 AM

I have in no way stored my recovery seed online, thinking it's safe, it's a bad practice, I would rather find a book and write down my recovery phrases and keep the book safe, if you don't have money for a hardware wallet it's better to get a book and write down your seed phrase.

Important information such as seed phrase and private keys should be stored out of the internet. The reason behind is that, there is no safe place in the internet especially the known storage sites since hackers will always try to hack it.

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I read your post and firstly thought about how creative you are, OP. This reminds me of the way we memorized the names of the nine planets, by forming it into a song with acronyms from the names gotten. It sure helped me when I wrote my exams then, it sure also helped me when I had to also learn the first 20 elements of the atomic table.
I don't care how it sounds, but having to form my seed phrases into a song only I know and can remember, is a sure way to keep my secret phrases safe.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 26, 2023, 10:39:52 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 26, 2023, 04:09:44 AM

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First of all, we should know that these words contain the seed phrases. What is the point in trying to find seed phrases in songs or in random sentences when we are not even sure if it would be a seed phrase or not?

I think you got the wrong idea here, we weren't trying or planning to look for secret phrase instead we were only trying to point out to Op what could go wrong if he decides to stiick with this idea of his.

And if take a good look at Op's idea you'll notice that the words that make up his secret phrase are not in a pattern so it will be very easy for him to miss the real word for another and that's what we're trying to tell Op.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on April 25, 2023, 10:08:48 PM

That's an amusing and novel idea on how to save a seed phrase, but I don't think that's an effective way.

It's really amusing and that's why I called it weird. For now the idea is ineffective and can be subjected to further refining

To be honest I was laughing when I saw this idea of yours on how to memorize or save the seed phrase in the song. The idea is really wired and i do not know how people come up with such ideas.
Although i will never implement this idea nor i will recommend anyone to use this idea for his seed phrases, i still want to acknowledge you for thinking out of the box and coming up with something really laughable. Cheesy

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 26, 2023, 04:09:44 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

If you observe very well, the added words does not re-arrange the seed phrase and neither do they interfere.

The point he is making is that the red words also all appear on the BIP39 word list. And actually Cantsay has missed out "like" and "sound". So in that line of text, you have 23 words which could be part of your seed phrase. There are 1,352,078 ways to pick 12 words out of 23 if you assume you have the correct order. If your order is incorrect, then that becomes up to ~648 trillion possibilities, which is clearly an impossible task.

First of all, we should know that these words contain the seed phrases. What is the point in trying to find seed phrases in songs or in random sentences when we are not even sure if it would be a seed phrase or not?

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