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hero member
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June 28, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
#73
Restrictions are removed for the reason that few countries can afford to be in isolation for months.
New outbreaks will be but at least humanity now knows about masks.  In any case, the crisis will be stronger and more destructive if you continue to keep everyone at home.

If only masks were able to stop the virus. Most of it is transmitted through touching your face or mouth with dirty hands. A mask won't save you if you don't know how to behave.

I still think it's good they're trying to make things go back to normal. The virus kills 1% of the infected but the suicides in case of a global recession will kill more than that.
legendary
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June 28, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
#72
Starting again with a new normal life will provide an opportunity for everyone to restart their lives and their economy. The company will be re-operated and workers will return to work for money that will support them. During quarantine there is a lot that must be sacrificed and it affects everyone. The government is temporarily helping the community, but not until the Pandemic ends. A new normal life and coexist with covid-19 virus is the right choice for now. The most important thing is to maintain yourself by always maintaining cleanliness, using masks and according to the protocol set. The economy will recover if we together try to rebuild it.
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June 28, 2020, 12:27:11 PM
#71
Restrictions are removed for the reason that few countries can afford to be in isolation for months.
New outbreaks will be but at least humanity now knows about masks.  In any case, the crisis will be stronger and more destructive if you continue to keep everyone at home.
Economy needs to move it's a hard decision to every leaders but it can't take away the fact that more damages will be done if government will not work it out, taking all the precautions and strengthen the fight against this pandemic virus by implementing all safety measures.

It's needed to be more strict will all the government rules regarding to social distancing as it will lessen the chance of spreading the virus, if things will materialized well the cost of reopening will be much productive with lesser chances of more infected citizens,.
jr. member
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June 28, 2020, 11:33:07 AM
#70
Current situation is one of the hardest in human history - most of us have all information available online, we are not in war, you can connect literally anyone online, yet thousands of people are dying.
If we choose to sit home to prevent corona deaths - we are going to face real economy depression and you should understand that poor people are going to rob, kill, destroy and etc.
On the other hand if we choose to go out and work - our economy is going to be fine after some months of constant work, but people are going to die more due to corona.
We can't estimate losses without making this decision so we gotta hope for the best and try not to loose current economical state I guess
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June 28, 2020, 10:51:59 AM
#69
I can see the point that we should always consider the healthcare of everyone, it's a must because "Health is Wealth", but we can't also consider the fact that in order for us to be healthy, we need to eat a proper meal and not just foods that are offered by the government. Here in my country, the government gives food and assistance for many poor and middle class familiies when we're still in enhanced community quarantine and imagine that many people they have to give assistance to, that's a lot yet their assistance is still not enough for a whole month. People are still forced to go out and make money in order for them to avoid starving. Yes, health should always be considered but we can't rely to the government always, most especially those people that can't work at home like drivers, street vendors, etc..

It's a good thing that people can now go out to work, in my opinion, but we all have to be extra careful for us to be safe. Always wear a mask and always wash your hands and use alcohol. Our health now depends on ourselves, be extra careful and always follow social distancing. We have to bear with that until the day comes the vaccine will be discovered. Till that day comes, let's all be safe.
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June 27, 2020, 05:25:17 AM
#68
The government is doing everything to balance the situation, they can’t just stopped working and let the virus killed the economy. I know there are so many irregularities but I believe every government is doing their best, its hard to run a country where people have no coordination at all. They’ll save many as much as they can, and I sure the economy must continue to work so they can still face many challenges in the future.

It is really hard since they made a lot of mistakes to start with.

I know that they are doing their best but my countrymen are such perfectionists and they argue with every wrong mistake the government has made. I can understand that since they are the leaders and as long as they can, they should really avoid making mistakes since they are holding the lives of a lot of people with those decisions or plans. I hope we can all get through this.
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June 27, 2020, 04:18:48 AM
#67
Restrictions are removed for the reason that few countries can afford to be in isolation for months.
New outbreaks will be but at least humanity now knows about masks.  In any case, the crisis will be stronger and more destructive if you continue to keep everyone at home.
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June 26, 2020, 09:34:59 PM
#66
The government is doing everything to balance the situation, they can’t just stopped working and let the virus killed the economy. I know there are so many irregularities but I believe every government is doing their best, its hard to run a country where people have no coordination at all. They’ll save many as much as they can, and I sure the economy must continue to work so they can still face many challenges in the future.

balancing is better than one is high and the other is low , atleast people will somehow calm down and wont complain if ever they fall on the low side and get heavily affected on the situation .

 course they wont just sit there watch us people panicking or watch the economy and the people dying but govts role is to help and fix the known issues . ill be pissed off to think that virus can win over us when infact virus is only a virus with no brain that can think .
sr. member
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June 26, 2020, 06:46:52 PM
#65
People think that governments choose between economy and health of citizens but in fact it isn't so.
By responsible behaviour of everyone both options are possible.
Lockdown can't last forever, that would mean the end of our societies and we have to continue with our lives and that includes economy, production, social activities. If we obey recommendations and rules made by epidemiologists all activities can continue and we can still protect our health. Besides constant fear and panic from virus don't lead anywhere, thus you could spend your life in fear from any other diseas and where would that lead you.
Lockdown won't last forever but either way there's still a risk of losing people hence saving the economy in order to protect the people is a tough choice since the risk is still present. But, with the right procedure on how to minimize the risk of getting infected is still a chance that we should have to work in order to protect the economy or else let a single country be wiped out since the results also reveals that if the economy dropped then everything will going to drop soon.
legendary
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June 26, 2020, 06:10:27 PM
#64
People think that governments choose between economy and health of citizens but in fact it isn't so.
By responsible behaviour of everyone both options are possible.
Lockdown can't last forever, that would mean the end of our societies and we have to continue with our lives and that includes economy, production, social activities. If we obey recommendations and rules made by epidemiologists all activities can continue and we can still protect our health. Besides constant fear and panic from virus don't lead anywhere, thus you could spend your life in fear from any other diseas and where would that lead you.
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June 26, 2020, 05:47:44 PM
#63
The government is doing everything to balance the situation, they can’t just stopped working and let the virus killed the economy. I know there are so many irregularities but I believe every government is doing their best, its hard to run a country where people have no coordination at all. They’ll save many as much as they can, and I sure the economy must continue to work so they can still face many challenges in the future.
legendary
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June 26, 2020, 03:44:31 PM
#62
Saving enables the production of capital goods, saving is obviously at the heart of the economic growth that raises people's living standards. Another important role of money is to serve as a medium of saving. Good for the economy because it increases productivity. No matter the savings rate, more savings will translate into more capital.
In my opinion we shouldn't discuss enough/not enough value of the decision 've made us govs.
We rather should think in terms of it economy and inner culture of capitalism.
Capital is worth more than some lives in US, I don't think thats debatable.
Debatable is whether other countries should do the same or not

One way or another, sooner or later, everything happens to be about money.

Your education, your job, your marriage, your kids, your parents, your health, your hobbies, your vacations etc etc.

Every choice you make has a financial logic behind it.

Smart people figured this out before the rest of the world and even though some people try to resist capitalism, everybody still plays by its rules.
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June 26, 2020, 02:55:58 PM
#61
Saving enables the production of capital goods, saving is obviously at the heart of the economic growth that raises people's living standards. Another important role of money is to serve as a medium of saving. Good for the economy because it increases productivity. No matter the savings rate, more savings will translate into more capital.
In my opinion we shouldn't discuss enough/not enough value of the decision 've made us govs.
We rather should think in terms of it economy and inner culture of capitalism.
Capital is worth more than some lives in US, I don't think thats debatable.
Debatable is whether other countries should do the same or not
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June 26, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
#60
The reason why less and less people are dying is because we figured out some sort of treatment. Not that it is fully treatable right now and we just give one medicine and puff, it is gone type of deal. However we know how to approach it a lot better. Doctors didn't know what to do with the patients for a long time, there was tests made on what makes the infected better but there was no guaranteed answer.

Nowadays we know whats good for them and what to do and how to heal them, still not a permanent solution but at least it could save more people. Hence, right now death rate is dropping, and it will continue to drop even more if there is less infected because when hospitals have less infected that means they have to give their attention better to less people instead of less attention to more people.
When this virus appeared it took everyone by surprise and it began to spread very rapidly so I think the lockdowns ordered by the governments were justified, this slowed down the virus and it give us time to try to figure out a treatment, while the vaccine will not be available until the next year it seems there are many ways to treat the symptoms and help to raise the survival rate of those that are severely ill, this is saving lives and it is slowly dropping the mortality rate of the virus and this is why we can open the economies again, but we still need to be careful because if we are not the second wave could be so big that hospitals will not be able to deal with it and more people will begin to die for the lack of specialized healthcare.
sr. member
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June 23, 2020, 08:59:02 AM
#59
Money, power and the economy is more important than the lives of many, this is the sad reality of our lives.
I disagree. Because this is not the case of most developed countries. Only on some countries, due to improper governments and its laws, they are not caring about each and every individual's life. A true republic will definitely care about their citizen the most than anything else.

The risk of getting infected is much higher when you go outside and hangout with many people, well it is still your choice especially if the Democracy is too much and abused by one individual.
I do see many government has already started allowing their people to get back to working place so that they could save their economy. Now the responsibility of protecting against pandemic just shifted to individuals that it is supposed to be government's.

The rise of every economy on its costly way, this is the new normal so you have to be healthy to survive as well.
Rising your economy must be the secondary option for most governments right now because they are right now working on saving it from not deeply falling down. Yes, people must need to adopt the "new normal" to live in social life so that they could save their lives as well as their nation's economy.
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June 22, 2020, 06:26:12 PM
#58
OP what do you think, did you write anything meaningful?
Wear that mask on your face even when you fall asleep, I don't care but personally I can't breath in those masks and I am responsible on myself and my behaviors, will never ask to get treatment if I get covid but I'm going on pretty well.

And anyone who really says that why the fuck to care about economy when our health is danger, I want to remind those people that: At first you can get immune to any virus but not to hunger and then - Your health/life/existance is fuckin linked to economics and without it you can't fuckin survive. See economic situation in Africa, see how children and adults live and then come here argue with me that economics has nothing to do with our health and life.

What do you think, can you destroy virus by lockdown? Even current lockdowns were a waste of time, Sweden and Belarus are going well without lockdowns and regulations and there are less victims of virus in these countries.
Humanity had a lot of viruses and diseases, including Black Death but we survived. There will be nothing that will abandon mankind.

Don't you think about people who live alone at home? Don't you think about people who have depression? Don't you think about people who have other mental illness? Don't you think about people who have anemia and need blood transfusion? Don't you think about people who need other medical services to live?

Just try to stay at one room/home alone without food (no work = no economics = no food) for 1 month and then came here and explain how good that journey was and how mentally satisfied you feel after that.

AGAIN, I don't care, stay at home, wear mask and do whatever you want to keep yourself safe! I need to work!!! And I am responsible on my own health!!! I amn't going to bury alive because of you!

And the most curious thing here is that some people who have wealth suggest poor people: stay at home to lessen the spread of virus. But these people don't care whether poor people die because of hunger or not, because you can't get affected by hunger when you have money.
legendary
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June 22, 2020, 02:14:27 PM
#57
The reason why less and less people are dying is because we figured out some sort of treatment. Not that it is fully treatable right now and we just give one medicine and puff, it is gone type of deal. However we know how to approach it a lot better. Doctors didn't know what to do with the patients for a long time, there was tests made on what makes the infected better but there was no guaranteed answer.

Nowadays we know whats good for them and what to do and how to heal them, still not a permanent solution but at least it could save more people. Hence, right now death rate is dropping, and it will continue to drop even more if there is less infected because when hospitals have less infected that means they have to give their attention better to less people instead of less attention to more people.
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June 22, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
#56
The cost of restarting the economy is people's lives.
We cannot stop the Infections if we want the economy to work.
It is the one way or the other... And it seems that the governments decide to risk people's lives.
legendary
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June 22, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
#55
There is no clear picture against the cruelty of current pandemic because the death rate of covid19 is falling below level of pre-assumed 2% and we are seeing a lot of people are recovering from it in less than 14 days as well. So, governments may think about relaxing the restrictions of lockdown so that they could start building their economy back. I mean I'm not seeing any of risk on planning about saving economic of a country. This could be the reason why governments are reopening all their business.

Governments cannot keep people within their home for longer than currently they are into. People must need some money to live which is possible for more than 50% people by going job. Only very few people must be having saving to lead their life and some other people are having the chances to work from home but most other people must need to go out to earn their life.

We have to learn how to deal with problems. Virus is the problem, but we can't abandon everything because there is a virus, we have to eat too! We need to pay bills to not stay on the street. I am aware of the risk, but I am not for lock down, in long run it will hurt more than virus!
Even for older and weak someone has to work and provide food. People die every day, safety first, for older and weak this applies even more, but locking down all of us is just crazy in my opinion, but that happened and some people feel the consequences already.
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June 22, 2020, 07:48:09 AM
#54
There is no clear picture against the cruelty of current pandemic because the death rate of covid19 is falling below level of pre-assumed 2% and we are seeing a lot of people are recovering from it in less than 14 days as well. So, governments may think about relaxing the restrictions of lockdown so that they could start building their economy back. I mean I'm not seeing any of risk on planning about saving economic of a country. This could be the reason why governments are reopening all their business.

Governments cannot keep people within their home for longer than currently they are into. People must need some money to live which is possible for more than 50% people by going job. Only very few people must be having saving to lead their life and some other people are having the chances to work from home but most other people must need to go out to earn their life.
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