Topic: Say "Good Bye" to HDD. - page 7. (Read 5904 times)
Once you go SSD you never go back. I built a computer with an SSD about 2 years ago and I haven't bought a single HDD since. I uninstall games and not using and stuff like that to deal with having a little less storage, and add SSDs when the space problem becomes critical. I have two workstations both with all SSDs. You really can't even begin to compare the difference and once you get used to it... it'd be like trying to go back to dialup if I went back to HDDs lol.
SSD prices are still too high to abandon HDD.
Of course hard drive companies aren't stupid, their strongest area is high capacity low performance applications (backups, nearline storage, archiving, etc) so HDD are going to get much bigger to stay competitive. So it is win-win all around. Still if I was WD I would be looking to buy a flash company.
And this is where UEFI & GPT partition tables come into place
.i have a 128 GB ssd drive that i bought for $65 a year ago.. i don't think it has been worth it so far. i usually have anywhere between 45 to 53GB free, but i often end up deleting stuff or storing on my portable HDD.
Look into hyperduo http://www.marvell.com/storage/system-solutions/sata-controllers/hyperduo/
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Intel® Smart Response Technology
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/smart-response-technology.html
HDD cannot improve much further but ssd can.
SSD is at 8 electrons per bit so only three more very very difficult doublings. They are working on some other tricks.HDD has HAMR, SMR, HAMR+SMR, pattern media, other tricks.
About the same horizons on both.
Other tricks, check out https://www.samsung.com/ch/business-images/resource/white-paper/2014/01/Whitepaper-Samsung_SSD_Rapid_Mode-0.pdf
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looks of it, Death and taxes & Burtw knows their shit.
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Publicity at best, hdd isn't going any where. SSD's has only so much life to live vs a hdd, not including hardware failures for both.
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SSD price expensive is now. I still use the hard disk 
I guess there are still many different alternatives right now out there. It shouldn't be actual problem when we look on it from this point of view.
When it comes to HDD, well this day had to come sooner or later. Maybe now they are going to implement them into our fridges.
When it comes to HDD, well this day had to come sooner or later. Maybe now they are going to implement them into our fridges.
Sandisk announces 4TB SSD, hopes for 8TB next year.
"We see reaching the 4TB mark as really just the beginning and expect to continue doubling the capacity every year or two, far outpacing the growth for traditional HDDs," Manuel Martull, SanDisk's product & solutions marketing director, stated in an email reply to Computerworld.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248070/SanDisk_announces_4TB_SSD_hopes_for_8TB_next_year
"We see reaching the 4TB mark as really just the beginning and expect to continue doubling the capacity every year or two, far outpacing the growth for traditional HDDs," Manuel Martull, SanDisk's product & solutions marketing director, stated in an email reply to Computerworld.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248070/SanDisk_announces_4TB_SSD_hopes_for_8TB_next_year
SSD prices are still too high to abandon HDD.
Furhtermore if you see how Linux is performing over HDD you would reconsider your statement.
My Debian + LXDE is runnig as fast as ***** and is beating all Windows SSDs.
I would not imagine why I would need SSD for it.
But most of the games on computers run on Windows, so for an average user the SSD is the future. As for the price, every new technology with time gets less expensive
Nice one I deserved that.
Sandisk announces 4TB SSD, hopes for 8TB next year.
"We see reaching the 4TB mark as really just the beginning and expect to continue doubling the capacity every year or two, far outpacing the growth for traditional HDDs," Manuel Martull, SanDisk's product & solutions marketing director, stated in an email reply to Computerworld.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248070/SanDisk_announces_4TB_SSD_hopes_for_8TB_next_year
"We see reaching the 4TB mark as really just the beginning and expect to continue doubling the capacity every year or two, far outpacing the growth for traditional HDDs," Manuel Martull, SanDisk's product & solutions marketing director, stated in an email reply to Computerworld.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248070/SanDisk_announces_4TB_SSD_hopes_for_8TB_next_year
SSD prices are still too high to abandon HDD.
Furhtermore if you see how Linux is performing over HDD you would reconsider your statement.
My Debian + LXDE is runnig as fast as ***** and is beating all Windows SSDs.
I would not imagine why I would need SSD for it.
I bought a 60GB SSD few years ago, just wanted to see if it's really better than HDD, and it is. Small, quiet, fast, stays cool, consumes less electricity. The only downside is it was overpriced as hell, You could buy a whole laptop for the cost of 3 of those.
SSD is nice the problem for me is that it doesn't have much space compared to non SSD
60 GB vs 1 T is still quite the difference that and the cost difference
Impressive. I like it a lot.
It will be cool to have ultrasmall computer case with just monitor some day
Maybe then we will be finally in position to bring whole PC with us, just as laptop or some smartphone.
But I guess that day will come. This is proof of that.
It will be cool to have ultrasmall computer case with just monitor some day
Maybe then we will be finally in position to bring whole PC with us, just as laptop or some smartphone.
But I guess that day will come. This is proof of that.
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Ebay is really unreliable. a lot of sellers who sell used shit don't put proper descriptions. recently bought a laptop and the details weren't very accurate.
I have stopped purchasing anything of value from Ebay, even when they are offering steep discounts. What is the use in getting a 30% discount, when the product itself can be unreliable?
i don't like ebay's fees for selling either. exorbitant fees. it's going to be something like 14% of your revenues.
I don't really sell that much on eBay anymore due to the high fees, but it's still unfortunately pretty much the best place to sell stuff, though I wish it wasn't. As for having trouble with buying on eBay, you've just got to pick the sellers wisely. A major chain could also easily just say you broke it and it's not covered under the warranty too. If you ever buy something that isn't as described you can send it back and you'll get your money back off PP in most cases.
use craigslist mate.. if you are trying to get rid of your junk. i don't sell junk though, just stuff i buy from a wholesaler to re-sell.
Does Craigslist even operate in the UK? I know we have gumtree, but those kind of sites are always less popular and seem kinda sketchy and tend to be more scammy to me.
Ebay is really unreliable. a lot of sellers who sell used shit don't put proper descriptions. recently bought a laptop and the details weren't very accurate.
I have stopped purchasing anything of value from Ebay, even when they are offering steep discounts. What is the use in getting a 30% discount, when the product itself can be unreliable?
i don't like ebay's fees for selling either. exorbitant fees. it's going to be something like 14% of your revenues.
I don't really sell that much on eBay anymore due to the high fees, but it's still unfortunately pretty much the best place to sell stuff, though I wish it wasn't. As for having trouble with buying on eBay, you've just got to pick the sellers wisely. A major chain could also easily just say you broke it and it's not covered under the warranty too. If you ever buy something that isn't as described you can send it back and you'll get your money back off PP in most cases.
use craigslist mate.. if you are trying to get rid of your junk. i don't sell junk though, just stuff i buy from a wholesaler to re-sell.
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Ebay is really unreliable. a lot of sellers who sell used shit don't put proper descriptions. recently bought a laptop and the details weren't very accurate.
I have stopped purchasing anything of value from Ebay, even when they are offering steep discounts. What is the use in getting a 30% discount, when the product itself can be unreliable?
i don't like ebay's fees for selling either. exorbitant fees. it's going to be something like 14% of your revenues.
I don't really sell that much on eBay anymore due to the high fees, but it's still unfortunately pretty much the best place to sell stuff, though I wish it wasn't. As for having trouble with buying on eBay, you've just got to pick the sellers wisely. A major chain could also easily just say you broke it and it's not covered under the warranty too. If you ever buy something that isn't as described you can send it back and you'll get your money back off PP in most cases.
So how many years can a SSD hold its data
See data retention on page 9 of this reference:http://www.flashmemorysummit.com/English/Collaterals/Proceedings/2012/20120821_TA12_Yoon_Tressler.pdf
Ebay is really unreliable. a lot of sellers who sell used shit don't put proper descriptions. recently bought a laptop and the details weren't very accurate.
I have stopped purchasing anything of value from Ebay, even when they are offering steep discounts. What is the use in getting a 30% discount, when the product itself can be unreliable?
i don't like ebay's fees for selling either. exorbitant fees. it's going to be something like 14% of your revenues.
Found the source of my confusion and memory lapse. The sub 10 electron number was not the total number of electrons on the floating gate. It was the number of electrons that cause a 100 mV shift. See page 7 of this reference:
http://www.flashmemorysummit.com/English/Collaterals/Proceedings/2012/20120821_TA12_Yoon_Tressler.pdf
It shows that at a 10nm feature size a loss of less than 10 electrons causes a change of 100 mV.
The above presentation is full of very interesting statistics related to flash.
http://www.flashmemorysummit.com/English/Collaterals/Proceedings/2012/20120821_TA12_Yoon_Tressler.pdf
It shows that at a 10nm feature size a loss of less than 10 electrons causes a change of 100 mV.
The above presentation is full of very interesting statistics related to flash.
SSD is at 8 electrons per bit so only three more very very difficult doublings.
Not sure where you get this idea from. SSD are NAND transistors. Even at 20nm the transistors are 30 to 40 atoms across and each Silicon atom has 14 atoms. Of course even that really isn't material. No silicon circuit works on individual electrons. Retrieving or writing a bit of flash ends up involving millions of electrons.
Maybe you are conflating MLC and TLC (storing two or three bits per cell) with number of electrons? Not sure.
I am a bit mad at myself because it looks like I was wrong. I could have sworn I had a reference that showed that sub 20nm flash was sub 10 electrons on the floating gate in the charged state. I cannot find that reference. The reference I did find here:
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~tking/theses/whkwon.pdf
in figure 1.14 still shows 10's of electrons on the floating gate all the way down to 10nm.
My point that the feature size does have a physical limit is valid and eventually we will run into this physical limit.
The absolute limit for this technology (storing information by charge on a floating gate) would be one electron per bit.
Ebay is really unreliable. a lot of sellers who sell used shit don't put proper descriptions. recently bought a laptop and the details weren't very accurate.
I have stopped purchasing anything of value from Ebay, even when they are offering steep discounts. What is the use in getting a 30% discount, when the product itself can be unreliable?
Lol.....pic reply was perfect.
What issues did you have?
Once I bought a laptop from Ebay, which got damaged just after two weeks. The seller refused to issue me a replacement, saying that it was my fault. Contacted the Ebay staff, but no use there.
ebay is really unreliable. a lot of sellers who sell used shit don't put proper descriptions. recently bought a laptop and the details weren't very accurate.
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