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August 23, 2024, 02:35:09 AM

From my experience on this forum, many people who are Bitcoin maximalists, actually just post whatever it is easy for them to post and in reality they have no idea what they are talking about. Too many people post here that Bitcoin will end poverty in poor countries Cheesy Does that really make sense? If I sit in my warm sofa, if you sit and we only buy Bitcoins, how the hell will our life improve? We have to get up and start working to improve our life, Bitcoin is an empty coin if everyone lays in a warm sofa.

There has been a lot of controversy surrounding this issue in the past and recently it has come up for discussion again. I really don't know what those people are thinking when they think bitcoin can alleviate poverty, reduce unemployment or help governments control corruption...Many even believe that bitcoin trading will help many unemployed people earn an income  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy. To them, Bitcoin is like a panacea, it can solve all the world's problems just by using Bitcoin.

You may be right, they may not even know what they are talking about, they just insist that bitcoin can help alleviate poverty but cannot give a reasonable explanation. But not all bitcoin maximalists have such a mindset, there are many who are very realistic but they stick to bitcoin only and say no to any altcoins.
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August 23, 2024, 01:51:42 AM

From my experience on this forum, many people who are Bitcoin maximalists, actually just post whatever it is easy for them to post and in reality they have no idea what they are talking about.


Let me edit that for you slightly:


From my experience on this forum any forum on internet, many most people who are Bitcoin maximalists any kind of -ist, actually just post whatever it is easy for them to post and in reality they have no idea what they are talking about.



Welcome to the internet, brother Smiley.



..And enjoy the ride while it lasts Grin For real, though, that was a nice addition.
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August 23, 2024, 01:47:54 AM
Maximalism is the mindset that your project is the only valid one. This approach leads to a refusal to consider new information. It is dogmatic and somewhat intellectually limiting, in my opinion. And I have encountered it several times in this forum.
When it comes to bitcoin this mindset does exist because bitcoin is the only project that is the best when compared to other cryptos. In a broad sense I agree that Maximalism is not so relevant because it opposes the attitude or approach to information intellectually and this is my thinking. There is always debate in this space and we will see which side to take but the most important thing is the level of rationality that needs to be demonstrated.

Bitcoin is far superior in many ways and perhaps why people see this as the main goal when wanting to get involved. But in the context of wanting to make a profit sometimes certain coins can also provide a profit as long as they understand how to make that profit.
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August 23, 2024, 01:35:45 AM
Maximalism is the mindset that your project is the only valid one. This approach leads to a refusal to consider new information. It is dogmatic and somewhat intellectually limiting, in my opinion. And I have encountered it several times in this forum.

Bitcoin maximalists tend to dismiss the perspectives of those outside Bitcoin. While I respect the economic tenets of Bitcoin, such as digital scarcity, the superiority complex should not overshadow technical discussions. Bitcoin is not inherently superior to other cryptocurrencies like Monero or Litecoin; it simply has its own trade-offs.

However, there's more to consider. Bitcoin embodies the free-market ideals envisioned by Austrian economists, who would likely support a market of competing currencies. To me, that means Bitcoin embraces this variety of cryptocurrencies. Being a Bitcoin maximalist is actually contrary to the spirit of Bitcoin, because it involves unwavering support for Bitcoin, when you should be skeptical and rigorous in examining its potential weaknesses. We move forward in life by addressing our flaws, not by celebrating our achievements. As Charles Darwin said,
Quote from: Charles Darwin
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.

Don't be myopic and dogmatic. Say no to maximalism.


Everything that isn't Bitcoin is a scam. Everything else is centrally controlled and created to generate quick profits for its creators or early investors at the expense of later investors. They rely on strong marketing filled with lies, deception, and fraud. Bitcoin was initially introduced to a group of free activists, the cypherpunks. It quickly attracted a community of freedom lovers among computer scientists, not like crypto pump-and-dump scammers and venture capitalists.

For over a year, Bitcoin had no established price and was primarily driven by individuals seeking personal sovereignty, not overnight wealth. Bitcoin is impossible to replicate, and it's impossible to create a new Bitcoin. All altcoins are pure scams; stay away from them.
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August 22, 2024, 06:19:31 PM
Maximalism is the mindset that your project is the only valid one. This approach leads to a refusal to consider new information. It is dogmatic and somewhat intellectually limiting, in my opinion. And I have encountered it several times in this forum.

Bitcoin maximalists tend to dismiss the perspectives of those outside Bitcoin. While I respect the economic tenets of Bitcoin, such as digital scarcity, the superiority complex should not overshadow technical discussions. Bitcoin is not inherently superior to other cryptocurrencies like Monero or Litecoin; it simply has its own trade-offs.

Quote from: Charles Darwin
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Am surprised at how you brought whom is considered the father of evolution into this. The bioscience into the science of blockchain technology.
Well, the survival of the fittest theory is a theory of change. As what isn’t susceptible to change breaks. If a metal isn’t mailable, it breaks.

Sometimes, we get too full of ourselves or consider ourselves to be very much saturated with knowledge that we leave no room for learning. The brain is supposed to be open to more information, updating and corrections that need be but, as beings that we are, we let our pride create a barrier in the way of acceptance of that which might be true because, it contradicts what we’ve known for sometime. You learn nothing this way.
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August 22, 2024, 05:54:52 PM

From my experience on this forum, many people who are Bitcoin maximalists, actually just post whatever it is easy for them to post and in reality they have no idea what they are talking about.


Let me edit that for you slightly:


From my experience on this forum any forum on internet, many most people who are Bitcoin maximalists any kind of -ist, actually just post whatever it is easy for them to post and in reality they have no idea what they are talking about.



Welcome to the internet, brother Smiley.

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August 22, 2024, 04:38:58 PM
Maximalism is the mindset that your project is the only valid one. This approach leads to a refusal to consider new information. It is dogmatic and somewhat intellectually limiting, in my opinion. And I have encountered it several times in this forum.

Bitcoin maximalists tend to dismiss the perspectives of those outside Bitcoin. While I respect the economic tenets of Bitcoin, such as digital scarcity, the superiority complex should not overshadow technical discussions. Bitcoin is not inherently superior to other cryptocurrencies like Monero or Litecoin; it simply has its own trade-offs.

However, there's more to consider. Bitcoin embodies the free-market ideals envisioned by Austrian economists, who would likely support a market of competing currencies. To me, that means Bitcoin embraces this variety of cryptocurrencies. Being a Bitcoin maximalist is actually contrary to the spirit of Bitcoin, because it involves unwavering support for Bitcoin, when you should be skeptical and rigorous in examining its potential weaknesses. We move forward in life by addressing our flaws, not by celebrating our achievements.
From my experience on this forum, many people who are Bitcoin maximalists, actually just post whatever it is easy for them to post and in reality they have no idea what they are talking about. Too many people post here that Bitcoin will end poverty in poor countries Cheesy Does that really make sense? If I sit in my warm sofa, if you sit and we only buy Bitcoins, how the hell will our life improve? We have to get up and start working to improve our life, Bitcoin is an empty coin if everyone lays in a warm sofa.

As Charles Darwin said,
Quote from: Charles Darwin
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
That is so true... I understood that deep truth of that quote recently as I see how life is changing and moving around me. I know people who 24/7 to live on paycheck to paycheck, I know people who study a lot in the universities, take antidepressants because of their boring life and they don't exceed an average monthly wage but on the other hand, there are some low IQ people who earn millions of dollars by streaming video games, doing OF and so on. People still go to the university, get an MBA and then work in MacDonalds. These people failed because they didn't adapt.
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August 22, 2024, 04:16:57 PM
This is exactly why people are maximalists. Because when you aren't you make mistakes like this - trying to claim that any old random cryptocurrency that nobody cares about or uses and is inherently terribly weak compared to Bitcoin, is actually better than Bitcoin simply because it's cheap...because nobody uses it.
Agree with this argument in general.

However, we still unfortunately don't have L2s which work as easy and well as LTC and Doge for example. Lightning is still very complex if you use it without a centralized service provider, and also has properties not everybody likes (having to be online 24/7 to receive payments, mainly). And sidechains after 10 years (I think the concept was proposed in 2014) are still in its infancy and only some very recent designs may be interesting - Liquid is not - and all have centralized elements still afaik. Statechains are not completely trustless, Ark could be better but I have to examine it further.

Crypto has led to interesting experiments and ideas, but in the end the world doesn't need other cryptocurrencies. The few interesting ideas that have come out of the crypto world should just be built into the Bitcoin ecosystem. The weakness in Crypto is that there ARE different ones, when we only need Bitcoin.
The weakness of this argument is that it tries to define what "the world" needs Smiley

It's actually the users (including "investors") who define what is what the "world" needs. And there is a very simple argument for altcoins: If one of the main reason people use cryptocurrencies is saving ("store of value"), which depends on its perceived potential to grow in value/price, then there always will be incentives to invest in cryptocurrencies with a smaller market cap because their potential to grow may be bigger than Bitcoin's. The risk profile is different, but there will always people that will prefer more risk, even if many of them fail. While BTC was one of the few cryptos which reached an ATH this year, we can't rule out that ETH, XMR, LTC or Doge could reach a new ATH in the next months, as altcoins tend to explosive growth and of course also destructive crashes.

In addition, there's the argument that altcoins could work as a "backup" of Bitcoin. I'll try to explain it a bit further: Imagine Bitcoin has a bug like in 2010 when the chain split because more coins than the 21 million limit were generated (we were close to this some years ago!). Or a successful 51% attack by a state-level actor or a very big coalition of shorters.

Imagine now this "doomsday scenario" in two variants: Scenario 1 is that Bitcoin ist the only relevant cryptocurrency, and Scenario 2 that there are several other cryptos, including decentralized ones.

In scenario 1 the whole cryptocurrency sector would probably see an immense crash, with bankruptcies, broke investors and all the drama. Confidence in the concept "cryptocurrency" would be seriously harmed.

In scenario 2 we will definitely also see a crash because Bitcoin still leads the market, but the other chains could hold their value more or less as they wouldn't be affected by the vulnerability. A working, decentralized altcoin could even work temporarily as a Bitcoin sidechain, leading to a faster recovery of Bitcoin once the flaw is fixed. The "cryptocurrency" concept would be less harmed.

I also don't think that altcoins are in any way "harmful" for Bitcoin. Fraudulent crowdfunding (like in the ICO wave or 2017/18) could also have taken place on the Bitcoin chain with mechanisms like Omni . It's perhaps even better that Bitcoin was largely unaffected by this Smiley

Nevertheless, thanks for the maximalist post, it's always good to read different opinions.
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August 22, 2024, 06:13:30 AM
After reading through I heard you say Bitcoin is not inherently superior to other altcoins but i disagree with you there. Bitcoin is super superior to any cryptocurrency you would mention. Have you ever wondered why the government and other Anti-Bitcoin organizations prefer to attack Bitcoin and why they try to crash the value? The network is one of the fastest-growing networks on earth and has gained significant value over time. People can easily afford other altcoins but Bitcoin's value made it limited and of high purchase.

At the end of the day, it's not about superiority or thriving but about fulfilling the mission that was initiated in the beginning. It is the most effective digital monetary system and no other altcoins come close.
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August 22, 2024, 03:49:41 AM
I am not sure whether your definition is exactly right, tho I understand your point of view and agree on that one.

But, those we so called maximalists especially who try to influence people into buying Bitcoin is good to keep the enthusiasm in cryptospace, so people will always talk about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency everywhere. Since most people knows only Bitcoin, even old people who don't really understand how it works. It is good to maintain the hype for crypto investors
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August 22, 2024, 02:00:43 AM
The Ethereum upgrade formerly known as ETH 2.0 was supposed to make it better, but it massively increased Ethereum's centralization and therefore weakened it. The token burning was supposed to be a gimmick to get people to think it had a pseudo cap to its supply but since all the people still messing around with crypto apps just do stuff on ETH's second layers now there isn't even enough burning going on to balance out the issuance. For a while people thought staking might turn Ethereum into a dividend-like investment for the investment class, with people thinking it'd have 6% earnings or even some crazy predictions of 10% or 12% earnings, and that all fizzled and earnings are like 3% at best, and the recent ETFs don't even allow staking so the class of investor that may have been still somewhat interested in what would be somewhat decent stock earnings at 3%, can't even use ETH as an income generating asset, so the ETH ETFs have very little interest.

ETH 2.0 made all Ethereum transactions weaker.

There is now a non-zero chance that when you make an ETH transaction, the entire value and destination will be replaced by a fraudulent MEV-bot. People have lost significant amounts of money that way.

The PoW-version of ETH was never vulnerable to this. It is a design in the staking system.

I don't think I can trust ETH for large transactions again.
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August 22, 2024, 01:54:50 AM
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Bitcoin maximalists tend to dismiss the perspectives of those outside Bitcoin.
A question to non-maximalists: If it would be possible, to directly receive an equivalent value of Bitcoin, instead of your altcoin, would you agree? For example: if 1 ALT is worth 0.001 BTC, what do you want to get? Directly receive 0.001 BTC? Or 1 ALT?

I think many people defend altcoins, not because they are better, but because they don't know, how things could look like, if they could execute all of their features on Bitcoin. And then, instead of working on making Bitcoin better, we lose those people, and they compete with us. And then, the end user cannot get "feature A and feature B on Bitcoin", but instead, only feature A is on BTC, and only feature B is on ALT. Which forces people to unnecessary trading, and they risk losing some of their coins in that process (because of network fees, price changes, and so on).

It's diversification in a way Grin If I've got enough amount of BTC accumulated (of course, it can be said that it's not enough, but let's imagine I have zero alts and all is BTC) - would I have a portfolio that consists of two parts or only BTC? From my point of view, having a diversified portfolio is better, but it depends on what alts we are talking about. Of course, that's my opinion.

Imagine if there was only BTC as well..Grin
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August 22, 2024, 12:50:09 AM
Why?

These guys are the reason why Bitcoin has been thriving and growing. They never said anything bad about Bitcoin but they did infor everyone that apart from Bitcoin nothing can survive that long. They were the one who made Bitcoin a global essential commodity. These are the guys which make Bitcon what it is meant to be and they are right about it.

The problem here is that we guys don't have the capacity to buy a full 1BTC and to get it fast we use the altcoins route. Which according to my understanding is the fastest way to get to that point rather than accumulating more every moth or week with the hard earned fiat.

You might be a privilege one as being some of the first guys to be part this forum. We were not that lucky enough but we still feel that we can be a big supporter of Bitcoin by becoming a maximalist by using altcoins as an alternative to gain more satoshis.

nope it is elitism and a terrible way to think.

Sad that you argue for it.

Now does that mean I want 12000 other coins  no I don't.

A few hundred are more than what is needed.



The math so so fucking simply that scrypt algo for small p2p payments meaning LTC and Doge crushes BTC for small p2p payments that I basically. get disgust when people talk btc and second layer is all you need. Bullshit simply not true.

Stop the fucking argument
 Stop wanting to use a tractor trailer to deliver a single lunch.


thus at a minimum you need to accept sha 256 and scrypt. or you are simply delusional

Sorry to rip you but I am right and you are wrong.


Oh wait sound like I am practicing crypto inclusionim is that as bad as BTC maximalism

up to you to decide. not me.  my mind is made up

Did you seriously just try to argue that LTC and Doge should be used for payments???! lol.

This is exactly why people are maximalists. Because when you aren't you make mistakes like this - trying to claim that any old random cryptocurrency that nobody cares about or uses and is inherently terribly weak compared to Bitcoin, is actually better than Bitcoin simply because it's cheap...because nobody uses it.


Crypto has led to interesting experiments and ideas, but in the end the world doesn't need other cryptocurrencies. The few interesting ideas that have come out of the crypto world should just be built into the Bitcoin ecosystem. The weakness in Crypto is that there ARE different ones, when we only need Bitcoin. Why would anyone EVER want to use some random crypto when you can use a global secure (etc etc great qualities) currency for all of humanity: Bitcoin.

I don't like the maximalists who try to say stuff like literally everything in crypto is a scam, because obviously that's not true, but it is true that Crypto is basically just a distraction. So far not a single thing in Crypto has shown any real reason for existing. ICOs: failed as pump and dumps which then became illegal. DeFI: failed as nothing more than token schemes. NFT pictures: failed because the whole concept was flawed. Even actual crypto apps that tried to have some sort of business value failed because who the hell wants to deal with a different token for every single app lol. And the older cryptos who actually tried to compete with Bitcoin as money all failed because they all lack most or all of the things that make Bitcoin amazingly good money. Payments can be done with Bitcoin L2, you don't need anything else. Savings and moving money around can be done on Bitcoin L1, you don't need anything else. "Crypto apps" can simply be built using Bitcoin (and maybe with smart contracts with some more Bitcoin L1 or L2 upgrades), you don't need anything else.

It just makes a hell of a lot more sense to keep building on top of Bitcoin for anything that is actually useful and let all these weak Crypto attempts die out as doomed experiments.


Everyone goes through their own educational journey on Bitcoin/Crypto. Eventually, most people realize it has always been about Bitcoin, and Crypto is just an interesting proving ground to figure out the few good ideas that should be built into the Bitcoin ecosystem, while leaving all those tokens and their failed experiments to die out.



Even Ethereum, which for two cycles looked like it was actually following Bitcoin's growth thanks to a couple fads it had (ICOs in 2017, DeFi token schemes and NFTs in 2020/2021), is starting to look like it has kinda run its course and it no longer has any fads up its sleeve to keep up with Bitcoin growth.

The Ethereum upgrade formerly known as ETH 2.0 was supposed to make it better, but it massively increased Ethereum's centralization and therefore weakened it. The token burning was supposed to be a gimmick to get people to think it had a pseudo cap to its supply but since all the people still messing around with crypto apps just do stuff on ETH's second layers now there isn't even enough burning going on to balance out the issuance. For a while people thought staking might turn Ethereum into a dividend-like investment for the investment class, with people thinking it'd have 6% earnings or even some crazy predictions of 10% or 12% earnings, and that all fizzled and earnings are like 3% at best, and the recent ETFs don't even allow staking so the class of investor that may have been still somewhat interested in what would be somewhat decent stock earnings at 3%, can't even use ETH as an income generating asset, so the ETH ETFs have very little interest.

And compared to everything else in Crypto Ethereum was the golden shining example of massive success, it's the bright shining center of the Crypto world, and it's starting to look fairly dim now. So everything outside of Ethereum is far far worse off. And so we are seeing that outside of "crypto degens", people (aka the general public) are only really going to be interested in Bitcoin. And there is no reason for them to be interested in random crypto projects, hell it's hard enough for people to wrap their heads around what is obviously the alternate currency for the future of humanity.

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August 21, 2024, 10:48:39 PM
A question to non-maximalists: If it would be possible, to directly receive an equivalent value of Bitcoin, instead of your altcoin, would you agree? For example: if 1 ALT is worth 0.001 BTC, what do you want to get? Directly receive 0.001 BTC? Or 1 ALT?
As a "non-maximalist", my preference would depend on:

1) which altcoin you're talking about, of course. My favourite altcoin is Monero, and there are several "second favourites" like LTC and even some small ones like SLM I would accept.
2) the composition of my current portfolio - do I want more Bitcoin at this moment or more of $altcoin?
3) my personal opinion about the current overvaluation / undervaluation of both Bitcoin and the $altcoin we're talking about.

In general I would tend slightly to prefer Bitcoin, at least trying to always have a majority of BTC in my portfolio. But this can also change: if BTC is bubbling and I don't see a reason why, then I may prefer another coin. And there are coins which look like they could offer an opportunity of growth in some moments.

Practical example: Just after Binance delisted Monero, I would have preferred to receive "the same value in XMR" because the price dumped hard (almost -50%) but there were some indicators of severe undervaluation (mainly the "scarcity" on instant exchanges like Exch.cx). And judging from the price evolution of both XMR and BTC until now this would have been the correct decision. And I still believe XMR has a bright future. Just as an example, not to be interpreted as XMR shilling Smiley

Thus I think non-maximalism is related to flexibility but it needs a certain "knowledge" of the coins in question. Of course there are people who aren't so much into crypto and would prefer "the less risky one". So if the money was for family relatives without much crypto knowledge I would prefer Bitcoin probably.

In contrast, I would have rejected a coin like Solana even if it was about to bubble, because I don't see much utility for me in it.

I think many people defend altcoins, not because they are better, but because they don't know, how things could look like, if they could execute all of their features on Bitcoin. And then, instead of working on making Bitcoin better, we lose those people, and they compete with us. And then, the end user cannot get "feature A and feature B on Bitcoin", but instead, only feature A is on BTC, and only feature B is on ALT. Which forces people to unnecessary trading, and they risk losing some of their coins in that process (because of network fees, price changes, and so on).
For me it's only partly about features - XMR is an example where this applies, but other coins maybe not that much. And I like L2s as you may know. Smiley I think I already wrote in this thread that I also consider altcoins a "backup" of Bitcoin so in the case of malfunction or severe bugs it could be important to continue to uphold a healthy cryptocurrency environment.
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August 21, 2024, 01:43:42 PM
If you have only one cryptocurrency, with a limited supply, then the limit is enforced properly. If you have two cryptocurrencies, and each of them has 21 million coins limit, and also each of them has 50% of the market, then there are 42 million coins on the market.
That's not 21 millions limit abuse. It's just capital deprecation. If Bitcoin went down by 50%, you wouldn't call it "21 millions limit abuse", you would just accept that people valuate Bitcoin differently.

If you have a limited supply, you can actually see, how you gradually lose your coins. If you have no limits, then numbers stay the same, but they are worth less, so you can purchase less products and services, for the same amount.
It's not only a matter of inflation. It's a matter that I may not want to risk my network's survival on the assumption that Bitcoin will not experience significant decline in hashrate due to insufficient fees. There's no problem for a user to want that, and you can't achieve it if the currency is pegged to Bitcoin.

Then, other people will make swaps, and it will be dependent. For example: testnet3 was supposed to be worth zero, and independent of the main network.
We understand "dependency" differently. When I say that my network is dependent, I mean that it can operate with no requirement that another network must be operating. testnet3 is not dependent on mainnet. If it was dependent, then you couldn't verify everything on testnet3 without having a mainnet node running.

Then you should be at least honest in your consensus rules, and set "a difficulty limit", where after reaching it, produced coins are invalid
That seems very subjective ruling. Based on what do I enforce such a limit? A more objective ruling would be to choose an algorithm that is optimized for general purpose CPU, like RandomX.

A question to non-maximalists: If it would be possible, to directly receive an equivalent value of Bitcoin, instead of your altcoin, would you agree? For example: if 1 ALT is worth 0.001 BTC, what do you want to get? Directly receive 0.001 BTC? Or 1 ALT?
It largely depends on the details. If ALT was pegged with BTC, then I wouldn't care about holding the ALT. In fact, I'd rather want to hold an ALT, knowing that I can always redeem it for 0.001 BTC, since the on-chain transaction fee would be lower. But, in the real world case, where there is no peg, I choose to use ALT sometimes, when features that I need cannot, have not or will not ever be implemented in Bitcoin.

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I think many people defend altcoins, not because they are better, but because they don't know, how things could look like, if they could execute all of their features on Bitcoin.
I know, but certain features cannot be added without changing the consensus and introducing a change that allows pegging bitcoin with a sidechain currency. And it is completely understandable, because that raises security concerns.
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Bitcoin maximalists tend to dismiss the perspectives of those outside Bitcoin.
A question to non-maximalists: If it would be possible, to directly receive an equivalent value of Bitcoin, instead of your altcoin, would you agree? For example: if 1 ALT is worth 0.001 BTC, what do you want to get? Directly receive 0.001 BTC? Or 1 ALT?

I think many people defend altcoins, not because they are better, but because they don't know, how things could look like, if they could execute all of their features on Bitcoin. And then, instead of working on making Bitcoin better, we lose those people, and they compete with us. And then, the end user cannot get "feature A and feature B on Bitcoin", but instead, only feature A is on BTC, and only feature B is on ALT. Which forces people to unnecessary trading, and they risk losing some of their coins in that process (because of network fees, price changes, and so on).
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August 21, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
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How does creating other currencies abuse the 21 million coins limit?
If you have only one cryptocurrency, with a limited supply, then the limit is enforced properly. If you have two cryptocurrencies, and each of them has 21 million coins limit, and also each of them has 50% of the market, then there are 42 million coins on the market. If both chains have 1:1 peg, and you can do exactly the same things on each coin, then you have 42 million coins, and you don't have to worry, which one you are currently holding. Then, you are in a situation, where the end result is exactly the same, as if you have a single network, but with 42 million coins.

And then, it doesn't matter, that you can say "I accept only coins from network A, but not from network B". As long as 1:1 peg is maintained properly, users will find a way to swap, and give you exactly the coins you want. Also because there will be two camps, and someone else will accept "only coins from network B, but not from network A". And if you will try to actively enforce the limit of your favourite network, then people will call it "censorship".

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What if I want my network to not be dependent on transaction fees but on tail emission?
You can do that, but it doesn't change the fact, that by doing it, you are creating additional inflation. Instead of tail supply, you could also grab single satoshis from each UTXO, and enforce it by your consensus rules. The whole economy of your network would be identical, but tail supply is just a more obscure way of doing that. If you have a limited supply, you can actually see, how you gradually lose your coins. If you have no limits, then numbers stay the same, but they are worth less, so you can purchase less products and services, for the same amount.

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Or, what if I don't want my network to be dependent on another network? (In this case, Bitcoin.)
Then, other people will make swaps, and it will be dependent. For example: testnet3 was supposed to be worth zero, and independent of the main network. Now, it is actively traded, and even though some people are trying to kill it, the outcome will depend mainly on users: if they will want to keep it alive, then it will live as an altcoin.

If you have two properly spinned networks, then it is cryptographically possible to always trade between them, without trusting anyone. And of course, a lot of centralized services will be built as well, if users will want that.

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What if I want my network to be ASIC resistant?
Then you should be at least honest in your consensus rules, and set "a difficulty limit", where after reaching it, produced coins are invalid, and for example the whole chain stops (or: rather a chainwork limit, that would avoid some difficulty attacks, where powerful miners can produce weak blocks, and keep the network running, despite breaking the rules).

Surprisingly, "ASIC resistance" is probably not what users really want. For example: testnet3 and testnet4 are networks, where CPUs and ASICs can co-exist. And this is probably more close to what people tried to achieve. Because then, ASICs still can secure your network, but you, as a developer, can still mine your blocks on your CPU. And then, some ASIC can burn a lot of energy, to produce 50 coins, while you can spend a fraction of that energy, to produce the same 50 coins on your home computer. Then, the end result is a network, which is not "ASIC-resistant", but where ASICs are basically discouraged, because "why produce a block with 64 leading zero bits, where you can get the same reward for 32 leading zero bits".
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August 21, 2024, 07:35:38 AM
"Bitcoin maximalists tend to dismiss the perspectives of those outside Bitcoin."

This sentence alone serves a valuable impact to say to any maximalist out there. Most them tend to overshadow other alternative coins out there, sometimes they could be very stubborn and do not care about people's capability in investing money are all different. If we don't have secure job, it rather hard to invest in Bitcoin since most them expecting some returns in a quite short time, therefor there are other alternatice coins beside BTC, eventho most of them are quite more speculative than Bitcoin.
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August 21, 2024, 06:23:43 AM
It depends, how do you want to define it. Do I think that Bitcoin is the only valid project? No. Do I think that it is good to create separate monetary bases, and abuse 21 million coins limit? No.
How does creating other currencies abuse the 21 million coins limit?

However, since 2009, you don't have to make new coinbase transactions outside of Bitcoin blockchain. All you really need, is to make regular, non-coinbase transactions, and extend existing use cases, without inflating the supply.
What if I want my network to not be dependent on transaction fees but on tail emission? Or, what if I don't want my network to be dependent on another network? (In this case, Bitcoin.)

Many altcoins were created in the way they are, because people didn't know, how to write a better code. The only reason, why people switched from SHA-256 into something else, is because they didn't implement Merged Mining properly: if they would, then 51% attacking their coins would be as hard as 51% attacking BTC. The same with Monero: it has "fake multisig", because people didn't think about pubkey-based commitment at that time.
What if I want my network to be ASIC resistant?
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August 20, 2024, 09:43:10 AM
If we consider how Investment trend has shifted several times in history and nowadays' trend is about cryptocurrency, I think that more people will follow this mindset because of social medias are making people join the trend out of the Fear of Missing out. It is becoming worse especially after a lot of so-called Investment influencers are talking about it massively and has fed on internet users' fear of missing out especially on nowadays' uncertainty on economy and making money.

If this cryptocurrency has becoming more common among all people in different age has accepted it, since we know older generation are still being skeptical towards it,  perhaps when their skepticism are gone, people will start to look for another alternative to invest their money on something, probably property will rise and become a trend again, we never know
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