Topic: Scam Accusation board or merit stealing zone? Comment on the system (Read 525 times)

Lol, It's indeed understood now why the place is how it is. Very few understood what was the logic of this thread. The thread was not created to defend the project or anything as such but was created to highlight how "BLIND" Feedback system works, where a person doesn't bother to CONFIRM things before leaving a feedback, and when asked the said part is that I will check later to review it.

So basically everything is correct, only the person who try to defend/respond is the BIGGEST criminal on the planet earth. But that's obvious because why will anyone prefer to change anything, when they have zero benefit from it? The only people who suffer by it is the ones who are lower rank, so cares about them.

I don't even want to reply to some of the ABOVE message, as it's time waste due to their already built mindset, you can't change mindset of certain class of people.


Well, I never meant people are ganging up AGAINST me, I am pointing out that people added "MERITS", just based upon creation of thread.

Ok some here already said that it takes "EFFORT" to create such threads, but what about the "EFFORTS" one puts to create project (IF Genuine)?

And is there ANY system that can "REMOVE" Merits? What IF the case is proven "WRONG", how does that seems then? Shouldn't that person be "PUNISHED" for false accusation?

Majority here said that you should "TRY" and solve the issue instead of bringing it into notice, but ANYONE explain HOW?

THE OP of that thread did not "REPLIED" what his ACTUAL issue was with us. We asked him that was not having "REFERENCE" was his concern about our Whitepaper, but instead of responding to that, he was repeating same thing again and again, with such attitude and behavior, how exactly do we SOLVE the issue?


I have already given example on the very start, where the person who left "NEGATIVE FEEDBACK" had no time to review anything, but just on the basis of the thread being creation, he was "HUNGRY" to leave FEEDBACK, and that genuine is called "Avirunes"

Some people say that it's "IMPORTANT" to leave feedback early to "HELP" people stop investing, but does that mean leaving "BLIND FEEDBACK"? And like I said many said that it's okay you can always "DELETE" Feedbacks, but how do we delete the damage on reputation? How do we recover the "TRUST" of people who might already sidelined us just because of accusation?

So according to the present situation, you are 99% scammer/fraud and all the terms used by some people above, regardless of everything else.

There are "SOME" threads, where people were able to add every possible document to finally get this of the issue, but when it happened? It happened weeks and weeks AFTER it, which meant there was "ALREADY" damage down to their reputation. And best part is that MOSTLY with such threads, the OP did not even care to write on top that it's solved or anything as such. It was just present on the Title while the whole content stayed the SAME till someone actually "SCROLL" down to understand that the situation was SOLVED.

So basically all efforts are made to ACCUSE someone, after that no one got "ENOUGH" time for anything else. And how can there be "ENOUGH" time, you get MERITS and Appreciation for ACCUSING, but IF you are given that your claim was wrong, you get "NOTHING" instead your reputation dips, so such threads are always tried to be put out of the way for sake of their OWN IMAGE!



Just a COMMON SENSE question, how anyone supports blind feedback? Ok I understand the thread getting opened, because the person checked, but HOW do people who left "MERIT", or leave feedback can give their decision so quickly? And let it be clear, when I say quickly, I mean within "FEW HOURS" not days!

Have you seen my merit? I don't need any merit until 2 years. Because I have earned more than Hero rank but I am still Sr. Member due to lack of activity. For be a Legendary I need more 2 years for activity. Do you understand the merit systems? Your subject really not related with merit system nor someone abusing merit there. I told you don't invite more DT if you are not legit enough. See now, your previous feedback's was two only, now your feedback's from DT's are SIX.

To be honest, I believe you total project is scam. I told you you just spend $370 for create your website and tokens.

I am currently wondering why you are not still banned in this forum?
I find your tags are valid because who does not what plagariasm is, how to put correct references is promoting a business .
Somebody that do not have basic understanding cannot be trusted for running a business.

The purpose of the trust system is to give an assessment of a potential trading partner's ability to trust someone.

It is not uncommon for a scammer to be trying to scam multiple people at a time, and a quick negative rating may prevent additional people from getting scammed after the 1st accusation surfaces if they have not sent the scammer money or property yet, or it will at least cause them to ask questions and take additional precautions to protect themselves.

If you demand a delay in others giving you negative trust once an accusation is made, then others will not be warned. If you have a negative rating immidiately after an accusation surfaces, but before you have had a chance to respond, you can address the situation with anyone you are dealing with privately, and it will be up to them to decide if they want to trust you or not.

If you want to compare the trust system to the legal system, then I would tell you that if there is probable cause that anyone committed a crime, the police can arrest them, and can hold them in jail for a period of time without charging them. The standard of probable cause is very low, but has not been defined by the US Supreme Court to my knowledge. In many jurisdictions, if there is a 51% chance that a crime was committed, the standard of probable cause will have been exceeded.

I do have other concerns about the trust system, but yours is not one of them. If anything, it took too long for a negative rating to be applied, but there may not always be someone reviewing the various marketplace sections, nor the scam accusations sub for this type of thing.

Are you just going to leave it there as just a statement with no observable grounding or continue with a detailed break down of negatives and positives measured against the old system?

I would be interested to see this, and it is surely on topic if we are discussing does the new system work.

Well, its not really a new system, we started being able to leave each other feedback in 2013 or so? Your point on "could it be a problem if people are too hasty leaving feedback" would be more effective if you gave examples where it did occur.  Before the feedback system, people still created scam accusation threads just as freely as now, the only difference was that then Theymos had to personally review each one and decide whether a person would get a scammer tag or not. If you are claiming that people can farm merits by opening scam accusations, I don't know that I'd agree with that. I generally do see valid scam accusations earn merits, but not so much the invalid ones. Its sort of hard to compare back then to now, because Bitcointalk was a fairly uniform discourse community at that point, so things were a bit different, but overall with the exception that people take feedback too seriously, I'd say that it works better than the old system.

No, it is just fine as long as the reference were being mentioned. However, there is a proper way in acknowledging the author of an article or resources by mentioning it usually before or after the statement being rephrased. In our forum it has been observe but not all doing it well for some of the users here are not a native english speakers and some does not have.undergone proper training in English grammar construction. The admin also has extending tolerance to all users here about the problem.

So, it is the discretion of the user's view and opinion here either the user is doing it wrong or right.

So, in my opinion since this is a forum of free discussions for that user is all I can say that the user is just doing fine. It is from the white paper to which the admin of this forum has no jurisdiction over it.

Jetcash fittotalk forum is ideal about solving this kind of problem but I did not see that guy promoting again the forum he/she made for free to all users.

@ OP ...The system does NOT work and can not work.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-most-important-thread-you-can-contribute-to-this-yearno-kidding-5088852

ask me any questions you do not understand .

   Why does someone need 24 hours to assess whether it is true or not whether the white paper of your project is plagiarized or not? It appears the OP of the scam accusation thread made it pretty clear that substantial portions of the white paper are plagiarized. Also, you are not "helpless." Now that it has been pointed out to you that copy/pasting portions of a whitepaper is deemed untrustworthy and unacceptable, you can take corrective action and redo the white paper. Either cite your sources for the large portions of copy/paste content, or have your team make the needed definitions in their own words conveying their own understanding.
  Also, about the OP post getting merit. It's clear that the OP spent time combing over your white paper and checking to see exactly where portions were copied from. Also, it appears that what they are conveying is true since none of your excuses that you give in the thread refute that the material was indeed copied from another source. Anyone giving merit to that post is distributing their merit in the most correct manner possible.

The trust system is not broken, you just don't know how it works.
If you think you are wronged and don't deserve the negative rating, start a thread on the reputation board asking DT members to review your rating. If you bring enough evidences, the one who negged you will have to remove/neutralize his feedback. If he refuses, it is still possible for other DTs to counter it with a positif one.


We are not ganging up on you here, please avoid such provacative replies.

Oh FFS, that has absolutely nothing to do with your issue, and the fact that some posts got merited doesn't mean people are tagging you or ganged up against you in order to earn merits.  That's on you if you're outraged.

Have you never read any of the scam accusations against ICOs and their plagiarized whitepapers?  Just take a look at the Scam Accusation section's first page, and I bet at least half of the threads are about this.  It's that rampant, and lots of people are paying attention to it.  Had you noticed this before putting together your whitepaper you probably would have taken a little more time to state concepts in your own words.  But obviously you did not, and that also is on you.

no they are no treated as "PETS" but as "Scammer".
Did you call a coincidence copy entire periods from other sites?
No this is a bad mistake not only a coincidence.
What have you have created? A copy paste white-paper ready to launch a promising ICO?

Instead of moaning here, how about answering some simple questions on the thread in question?


Err, you are the team.

 

Are you sure about that?


I've checked your ICO yesterday, forget the plagiarized whitepaper, that project is a total scam.
The fake whitepaper, fake firm, fake "gold mines" come on, who the hell is going to believe that crap?


Sorry, no plans on discussing anything before you address the new accusations in the scam section regarding your project.


Maybe I'm getting crazy but it quacks like something else too...

Quacks like a scammer.

What else did I have wrote? I have already mentioned that the ONLY reason I came up with this because of the situation, and understanding how it would feel for people who are treated like "PETS" by certain people.

Ok so did you checked the thing that was pointed, or you just went with the title of Plagiarized Whitepaper? I just want this answer before we can discuss long day further.

Here we go again, the merit Illuminati, the DT tustbangers, the shills of a service I will not quote since are a direct competitor...
Have you read much of "How to make enemies of total strangers" by CH?
The way you speak makes me think you're at least a co-author.


Somebody, somebody, please think of the newbies starting an ICO with a plagiarized whitepaper.

This topic is not about the DT system.
Since it was modified not once have you come to meta to complain but once you've got tagged you suddenly had an epiphany and saw the guiding light that told you all the problems would go away if we stop tagging scammers.

And looking at your project...
One year ago you were doing bounties for 50$ now you have 9 gold mines backing you....the American dream!!!!!!
But with 1$ capital and a registration code that is a zip code.....

Well, you just said what I am trying to say.

This is your part that I am trying to say about people who are accused

"although as humans there could be some flaw & few mistakes but they're doing a good job. Just appeal your case reasonably. A little bit of advice to you, don't forget they're all humans insulting or attacking them won't resolve your tag instead it can get you more negative red tags."

This is what I and many people say them, and some even BEG that kindly show SOME humanity because everyone is human, and often "MISTAKES" are made, which doesn't mean the person or project is scam.

Just imagine it in this way, how much a genuine project put efforts to be successful? If someone accuse them falsely, just imagine the pain they go through, as it's not always about "MONEY" but efforts that are often put up. It is obvious that so many people only start up to scam, but just because of that it means everyone should be seen with same way?

We honestly have little to gain by this because we are already trading and it's really nothing extra for us to gain by doing this but like I said I just want to take stance against these people who find "EASY" targets, because they can't fight or if they try to do NO ONE listens to them, as they obviously can't be right because their forum rating says so.

At no point that we said that the reference adding is "WRONG", we repeatedly asked the OP that tell us that is that your problem with us not giving reference, but instead of replying to that particular point, the whole scene sets around how we copied but no one cares to mention that the thing called copied was for Explaining various aspect of Crypto like what is Blockchain and as such.

So, probably "LAZY" can be the right word, but with such stuff is it so hard to contact us ONCE and see if we can add the reference or on this basis it was enough to DECLARE us "SCAM", that there I am amazed how SHAMELESS certain people are. Leaving "BLIND" feedback, yet act like they are going to star in next Sherlock Homes movie!

And also cheers to those PEOPLE who added "MERITS" within minutes of the thread getting opened. So for those kind hearted people, it was act of kindness to support someone without even knowing much.

All those elected as DT members have all earned it. The new DT system have made it possible to elect new DT members or removed them from DT by detrusting them. You can review their previous contributions to the forum they have all paid their dues although as humans there could be some flaw & few mistakes but they're doing a good job. Just appeal your case reasonably. A little bit of advice to you, don't forget they're all humans insulting or attacking them won't resolve your tag instead it can get you more negative red tags. Present your case with some reasonable point on Reputation board and hopefully you get untagged and if you don't then take it as a lesson learnt and always reference source of copied works no matter how irrelevant you think they are, it makes you look more professional.

I like to begin from the very end. "If your ratings are trash, you'll get voted out eventually.", yes that is true and that by the 3 PEOPLE who I am trying to "EXPOSE", so I am all fine with it. The rating thing was done and dusted long back, I just want people to look at this and take a stand, not for ME but for a lot of people who are not CAPABLE of handling this bullying going on from a fairly decent time! I have made this a priority of mine to ensure every day I check which is their "NEXT" victim, and to put it in front of the community and in particular, the ADMIN!

Now back to the beginning (hope I am not thrashed here to copy "Back to the Future"), as you can't be sure of anything with certain people on this forum.

It's indeed in INTEREST and betterment of everyone when a SCAM is exposed, but is that really what happening? You are trying to justify that leaving a feedback just HOURS after accusation comes is fine? And then to have 2 merits GIFTED just for opening the thread. Is this what you call in "EVERYONES" interest? I believe it's in certain people's interest, not everyone.