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Topic: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper - page 40. (Read 25737 times)

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Spear the bees
We'll never know. All we know for sure is that it isn't Craig.
I'm as much a disbeliever in Craig as any one is able to pragmatically construct their balance of probabilities.

As far as most should be concerned, CSW is not satoshi.
If you want to be exact, CSW is almost certainly not satoshi. There is a chance CSW is a master troll, perhaps even a master baiter. Wink

In a useful system of beliefs, we have reality and we have fiction: true and false. Something is true if it is not false, and vice versa. The determination of which category is defined purely by the rules of which the system operates, be they axioms or derived thereof.

To further designate truthfulness, there is a concept called 'burden of proof'. Some may choose to use the null hypothesis to exemplify a similar point.

We will begin with our baseline point:
P1 - An individual claiming that they are satoshi without evidence is not satoshi.

If P1 is not true, then any individual claiming they are satoshi is satoshi. This is an undesirable outcome, thus P1 is true. If you wish to continue with P1 as false, then allow me to offer an alternative to the next point: P2 - I am satoshi. This presents a burden of proof. After all, believing others' words as if they were reality would be a quick path to doom.

P2 - A message signed with satoshi's keys verifies ownership of the keys and satoshi's cryptographic identity.

P3 - Craig Steven Wright has not signed a message with any of satoshi's keys, Bitcoin-based or not.

P4 - Craig Steven Wright has faked a signed message, claiming to be satoshi.

P5 - Craig Steven Wright has not shifted the burden of proof and has insufficient evidence to prove ownership (partial or full) of the satoshi name.

I could go on but we already have 40 pages of the thread. Feel free to jam anything against P5. The other points are surely sound to even B:SV supporters.
legendary
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฿uy ฿itcoin
We'll never know. All we know for sure is that it isn't Craig.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
But we only know about the first million. How about the rest? Those coins we'd never know. We don't even know if he mined anything after the first million, we are just speculating that he probably did because he could have. And I seriously doubt he would do anything with the forked coins; he didn't even bother to touch the orignal.
legendary
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฿uy ฿itcoin
It's not hard to check if any of Satoshi's forked coins have moved by using a website like http://www.findmycoins.ninja.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
No.. no research at all, just something I would have done had I been the creator. It's not that much harder to continue mining well into the early GPU stages. Would have also moved a few coins after the first half million mined.

Satoshi clearly did a lot of thinking before launching the coin. It would not be inconceivable that he had a plan to cash out some of it with a way to distract the rest of the world, knowing the blockchain would record everything and the first several hundred or thousand blocks being watched forever.

So he sacrifices a million coins, ... keeps maybe 100k. Or 10k. Or even just a thousand. Whatever position he was in prior to releasing Bitcoin, he already had access to some computing power, servers ... probably was already living comfortably.

He created a coin, a store of value, a medium of exchange, a unit of account, a complete monetary system, "out of thin air" = not really, but only the first of its kind would succeed in this. So a couple million dollars worth would be more than enough to fund the rest of his life.
legendary
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The creator of bitcoin does not have backups? .. hehehe... at this point, I think we're just trolling the troll or something like that.

The real Satoshi is alive and well, having cashed out his second generation coins that he mined, leaving the original first reward era mined coins (before the first block halving) untouched all the way to the genesis block. Or not. No one knows.

"trolling the troll"  Cheesy

You have clearly done a lot of research into this topic @Dabs ... ?

...

I think imma head off to crypto twitter soon enough.

Roll some BSV heads, metaphorically speaking, of course.

Grin

I got blocked by most of them after hitting them with hard evidence that Craig is a fraud. They can't seem to handle logic.

legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
The creator of bitcoin does not have backups? .. hehehe... at this point, I think we're just trolling the troll or something like that.

The real Satoshi is alive and well, having cashed out his second generation coins that he mined, leaving the original first reward era mined coins (before the first block halving) untouched all the way to the genesis block. Or not. No one knows.

"trolling the troll"  Cheesy

You have clearly done a lot of research into this topic @Dabs ... ?

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I think imma head off to crypto twitter soon enough.

Roll some BSV heads, metaphorically speaking, of course.

Grin
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
The creator of bitcoin does not have backups? .. hehehe... at this point, I think we're just trolling the troll or something like that.

The real Satoshi is alive and well, having cashed out his second generation coins that he mined, leaving the original first reward era mined coins (before the first block halving) untouched all the way to the genesis block. Or not. No one knows.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Signing is not evidence. It is proof. Easily verifiable mathematical proof. No one else can do it but him.

But CSW can't provide proof till next year cuz ALL the private keys to some ~1.1M bitcoins were transferred to the Tulip Trust.

On a side note, somebody should SHOP an overlay of a contrived BSV graph over the following akin to the REAL bitcoin/avocado relationship (see second pic for reference) ...



GPG ...

https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

Just sign. Just sign. One message. One bitcoin signed message too, using the genesis block address or block 1 or block 170.

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". 1/5 Craig Wright's web of lies - one example Tulip Trading Limited (Off-shore Company) This was an off-the-shelf company that #CraigWright purchased in Oct 2014. He was given a number of pre-established, pre-named companies by Abacus in Seychelles. He chose Tulip Trading"
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1151051879197151233

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Tip Toe Thru The Tulips 1929 ...
- https://youtu.be/0-MPTrWJ1uM

Cheesy
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Signing is not evidence. It is proof. Easily verifiable mathematical proof. No one else can do it but him.

Indeed.

...snip...

Exactly. Look how many liars supports incorrect fact-statements there:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=109

There it is: Lauda, malevolent, gentlemand, Hueristic, TheNewAnon135246, cryptodevil, yogg, nutildah, BitPotus, TwitchySeal, mosprognoz, Bthd, ChiBitCTy, CryptopreneurBrainboss, dkbit98, DireWolfM14, BitcoinFX, dragonvslinux, lighpulsar07, notblox1, Nomar

I think you will find that the originators of BSV are, in fact, the liars.

Go here:

- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/jimmy007forsure.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/ponsdeserres.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/mylegacykit.html

I'm a Bitcoin (BTC) OG who actually communicated (loosely) with the real Satoshi Nakamoto on this very forum ...

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.188

Sorry to disappoint you, but CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Prove me wrong !

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- https://youtu.be/PxbzujA69DA

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BTC vs BSV Debate ... worth a watch for the lulz ...
- https://twitter.com/brian_trollz/status/1185327558847545344
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Signing is not evidence. It is proof. Easily verifiable mathematical proof. No one else can do it but him.

But CSW can't provide proof till next year cuz ALL the private keys to some ~1.1M bitcoins were transferred to the Tulip Trust.

On a side note, somebody should SHOP an overlay of a contrived BSV graph over the following akin to the REAL bitcoin/avocado relationship (see second pic for reference) ...


legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
Signing is not evidence. It is proof. Easily verifiable mathematical proof. No one else can do it but him.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
I wonder if the BSV pump is due to this video tweet by McAfee, in which he said:

Quote
(Bitcoin) emerged from the people: average developers, very bright, none of them special, a couple of PhDs, even Craig Wright -- yes, he was involved...

Of course he's not basing this statement on any observable proof and just wants people to accept what he says as truth because "he's fucking John McAfee," but we all know how BSV can be pumped through a single tweet (or retweet), so I'd say it probably has something to do with it.

"I never said he wasn't involved. Of course he was. But he didn't write the White Paper. He is, therefore, not Satoshi. It's this blatant lie of his that I object to."
- https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1185490605469847552

"Of course the developers were a group. Everyone knows who they are. Even Craig Wright is among them. But he is not Satoshi. Satoshi is defined as the author of the white paper. Get some authoring software. Work it out."
- https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1185492650088128517

"Didn't you say the team came from India? Was Craig making the tea?"
- https://twitter.com/stephenarees/status/1185551912923488257

Perhaps, quite literally ... ?

- https://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

... "Shyaam Sundhar, a computer security professional who coauthored an academic paper with Kleiman and Wright in 2008, doubted and expressed dismay at the idea that either man was involved in Bitcoin’s creation. “Our conversations has only been pertaining to HDD project,” he responded to an inquiry via email, referring to their research on hard drive data. “I would hope that what you have stated is mere rumors, since I have never heard any such thing about Craig or Dave.” ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright

21. ^ Wright, Craig; Kleiman, Dave; Sundhar R.S., Shayaam (2008). "Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy". In Sekar, R. (ed.). Information Systems Security: 4th International Conference, ICISS 2008, Hyderabad, India, December 16–20, 2008, Proceedings. Springer Science & Business Media. p. 243.

SANS link. MIT link. George Washington University link.
- https://www.sans.org/instructors/shyaam-sundhar-rajamadam-srinivasan
- https://www.f6s.com/shyaamsundharrajamadamsrinivasan

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Full circle ...

Hacker group defies U.S. law, defends exposing McAfee vulnerabilities !
- https://thehackernews.com/2011/03/hacker-group-defies-us-law-defends.html

..." YGN, which doesn't want to disclose the names of its members, said they want to "represent our country" and "'to do security research to contribute to the security of users in [the] digital world."

YGN also participates in security research groups, including EvilFingers, which security analyst Shyaam Sundhar Rajamadam Srinivasan indicated he started with his wife in 2006. When asked about YGN, and whether doing vulnerability tests on websites without the owner's permission is wrong or illegal, Srinivasan is direct.

"YGN is just a group that I got to know recently," according to Srinivasan, who says he is CEO of DigitOnto and works as a contractor for SANS Institute. "My wife and myself, we don't do unethical stuff. I believe that scanning one's website without prior authorization is definitely inappropriate and violates our partnership rules and regulations." He writes that he intends to inform YGN about the same. "EvilFingers never cooperates for any kind of unethical activities." ...


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I already posted and linked to this stuff years ago when CSW did the 'fake' Satoshi reveal.

a.k.a SANOS

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*Satire*
- https://youtu.be/JOqhRx_11Rg?t=23
legendary
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I wonder if the BSV pump is due to this video tweet by McAfee, in which he said:

Quote
(Bitcoin) emerged from the people: average developers, very bright, none of them special, a couple of PhDs, even Craig Wright -- yes, he was involved...

Of course he's not basing this statement on any observable proof and just wants people to accept what he says as truth because "he's fucking John McAfee," but we all know how BSV can be pumped through a single tweet (or retweet), so I'd say it probably has something to do with it.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Ian Brown wants to be a door.
Jim Morrison was one.


- https://youtu.be/4D2qcbu26gs

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Craig Wright wants to be Satoshi Nakamoto.
Satoshi Nakamoto was Satoshi Nakamoto.


Cheesy
legendary
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BSV $105.57 +15.67%

Bitcoin SV Price          $105.57 USD
Bitcoin SV ROI           19.55%
Market Rank              #9
Market Cap                $1,884,951,630 USD
24 Hour Volume         $424,702,501 USD
Circulating Supply      17,854,986 BSV
Total Supply              17,854,986 BSV
Max Supply               21,000,000 BSV

Thanks for sharing! Was looking for an altcoin to short at the moment so nice to see BSV has pumped for whatever stupid reason.
It's nicely coming upto its 200 Day MA and TD Sequential 9 will arrive tomorrow, time to accumulate more BTC again from BSV lovers  Cheesy

legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Click here "oppose" to support Bitcoin SV:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=109

Hey, thanks for the quick link to be able to confirm my support for the flag. It's always great to save some time in this fast moving world of ours. Congrats on your gains all the same. It's lovely.

Fool's gold always tastes sweeter with duck sauce ... [citation needed] ...

Duck Sauce - Barbra Streisand (Official Video)
- https://youtu.be/wWhtcU4-xAM

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

The Stone Roses - Fools Gold (Official Video)
- https://youtu.be/NSD11dnphg0

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrite

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"A statement of FACT. Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto. And neither are any of the other Faketoshi's, none of them. No one that has publicly declared themselves as Satoshi or said they were involved in creating Bitcoin are bona fide. Prove me wrong Faketoshi's😉"
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1185313251560583168

"... "Let's talk about Bitcoin SV development activity." Shocking, well, maybe not, thread 👇 ..."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1185342925661704192

It's time to build! ... Nothing!

Wink
legendary
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Theymos, you may close this troll's topic. BSV has win in this discussion

BSV $105.57 +15.67%

Bitcoin SV Price          $105.57 USD
Bitcoin SV ROI           19.55%
Market Rank              #9
Market Cap                $1,884,951,630 USD
24 Hour Volume         $424,702,501 USD
Circulating Supply      17,854,986 BSV
Total Supply              17,854,986 BSV
Max Supply               21,000,000 BSV
If your definition of "winning" is a one day of 2-digit gains, then I suppose thousands of shitcoins also 'has win in this discussion' [sic].

Let's not forget that the market cap of BTC is much, much higher and you still have US$4.1739B of a difference in the gains made today.

A 10% movement in the DJA is much more significant than a 1000% movement in a crappy penny stock.

I don't know what market price action has got to do with BSV being legit and not a scam. Anybody and everybody can be fooled, just take a look at the Frye Festival. The most successful scams made billions of dollars. Onecoin could be called legit with this reasoning.
legendary
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Thread-puller extraordinaire
Theymos, you may close this troll's topic. BSV has win in this discussion
Click here "oppose" to support Bitcoin SV:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=109
I have added support for the flag. You now need to royally fuck off, as I am the one and only true Satoshi.

Same here, great initiative of him to share the link.

Likewise, I had otherwise overlooked that.

:thumbs:

legendary
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฿uy ฿itcoin
Theymos, you may close this troll's topic. BSV has win in this discussion
Click here "oppose" to support Bitcoin SV:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=109
I have added support for the flag. You now need to royally fuck off, as I am the one and only true Satoshi.

Same here, great initiative of him to share the link.
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